Subject: II World War

Poland doesnt had a word in the WWII.They were conquered,and then they win their liberty with the help of russians.What it is so interesting about Poland...more interesting is what had happened in the balkans.

actually, there was an interesting thing borkos mentioned which is called Ribbentrop - Molotov pact...

i understand,this is a good topic where we can talk about our grandfathers days.But Poland,what was poland in the wwII.Nothing! They cannot did nothing,because in the west was Germany and in the east Russia.Two great powers.

true, as a country we can`t do nothing.. but Poles fight in this war and the`re contribute to many triumphs, often undervaluations and disregards on press facts (enigma, polish airmans in England etc..)

Poland used a great courage to defend his country, they started with the soldiers and continue the WWII with the civilians that done everything possible to get the freeedom. Regarding the molotov-von rippentrop act it was done two have the completly control of poland, he was done to prepare german to the barbarossa's action (the conquer of russia started in 1941) leaving to stalin the conviction that german and russia will have never fight in WWII.
The massacre of katlina was committed from stalin to kill all the polish officer (just to get to hitler an example of the molotov-von rippentrop contract). Statitics said that stalin orders the kill of 13,000 polish officer.
Remember that in d-day there was polish parà that attack togheter wit english army...

another curiosity thing of WWII maybe unknow, the first tanks that got into Paris werw drived by a spanish division, spanish who lost the civil war and left spain to fight on thw IIWW. The name of the tanks were name of spanish citys or places

The tank colum was called brunette colum if i remember good

Dont forget that when soviets were liberating eastern europe they stoped in front of Warsaw because there was Polish rising. They didnt want help them, because these men should be threat also for further communist rule.

i saw a movie called pianist, about a musician in poland,
nice movie

mm that movie is so good

What about Spanish on eastern front? I have heard there was some spanish division even Franco didnt want be on axis side.

yes it was, and i also saw a movie called Schienderlist, i believe it was also in poland,
and Band of brother offcourse and saving pryvate ryan but that was hollywood,

Blue division, Falange organized this, Falange was a fascist party that won the civil war. Falange members hated comunism so they organised Blue Division for helping Germany with volunteers.

Franco was a militar, not really politic, but he was supported by Falange , and he did think Hitler was going to win the war so ..he stayed "neutral" but supporting axix and fascist side with logistic.

Many of this spanish of Blue Division were dead in Russia, the ones that survived were given the iron gamade cross ( cruz gamada de hierro? )

I know an old spanish in Valencia, the grandparent of a friend of mine , he has this cross..he tell us Germany was not what they used to think it was ( i mean the ns politic system), they felt more close to the fascist party of Mussolini

Franco stopped helping Hitler when he realised Germany was going to lose the war ( about one year before finishing), ..by chanching his foreign minister to another more pro-britain.

Anyway, Spain didnt recived Marshall help , as punishment for his Germany-Italy support. Until 60s years, when Usa realized Franco was a good ally against comunism.


The other story of the other spanish are this ones wich i said left spain for fighting the fascism and where the first ones to go inside Paris.

PD: Im not History, just read it for fun, so maybe i am wrong on some details :)

About this topic, that is one of the best fiml i have seen:

http://www.filmaffinity.com/es/film737417.html

i saw it yesterday :)
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is it a spanish movie

spain did somethiing in ww2? i dont believe that.

Die Fälscher (The Counterfeiters)