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Yes, and if i'm not wrong, it is called miscarriage ("fausse couche" in french)
You accuse me with absolutely no reason that I called you a killer. I reply and explain that this is a false accusation and you still repeat the same stupid theory and totally ignore what I replied. If that's not playing dumb, then I don't know what is.
I am not a fan of political correctness and I like calling things their true names. I think that political correctness hypocritically forces us all to bend our words in order to avoid saying directly the truth so that we can all have weak opinions that are always available for emotional blackmail of other people ("No, please don't say that. I find that offensive. My feelings are hurt.").
Saying that abortion is homicide is not offensive nor violent just because other people might disagree. Copernicus didn't write that he "considers" that the Earth is revolving around the Sun even though most people disagreed. You can say freely that abortion is not homicide. I will not get offended because there's nothing to be offended about. That's your opinion. I don't feel endangered by it. Embryos are endangered. Not me.
There is an action that makes life of a human being. It's called conception. An undo of that action is called abortion. "Look, there's life. Oh look, now there isn't. Oops, it seems that we killed it." If we would find such a "lump of cells" on Mars, we would have big headlines "Amazing! Life found on Mars!". But here on Earth, we kill it and say "No, no, no. That was not life. That was a mistake. And please don't say we killed it. That's not a very nice thing to say."
I don't care if you consider me seriously. I am not talking about me here. I also don't care if my opinion offends you because I don't have my opinion for that reason so it is you who choose to be offended by it. The problem is that you're more interested in me and you than in what you and me have to say. This is a forum discussion. If you need therapy, there are online support groups as well. It's not me that's making you look dumb. It's what I have to say and it's nothing personal.
I am not a fan of political correctness and I like calling things their true names. I think that political correctness hypocritically forces us all to bend our words in order to avoid saying directly the truth so that we can all have weak opinions that are always available for emotional blackmail of other people ("No, please don't say that. I find that offensive. My feelings are hurt.").
Saying that abortion is homicide is not offensive nor violent just because other people might disagree. Copernicus didn't write that he "considers" that the Earth is revolving around the Sun even though most people disagreed. You can say freely that abortion is not homicide. I will not get offended because there's nothing to be offended about. That's your opinion. I don't feel endangered by it. Embryos are endangered. Not me.
There is an action that makes life of a human being. It's called conception. An undo of that action is called abortion. "Look, there's life. Oh look, now there isn't. Oops, it seems that we killed it." If we would find such a "lump of cells" on Mars, we would have big headlines "Amazing! Life found on Mars!". But here on Earth, we kill it and say "No, no, no. That was not life. That was a mistake. And please don't say we killed it. That's not a very nice thing to say."
I don't care if you consider me seriously. I am not talking about me here. I also don't care if my opinion offends you because I don't have my opinion for that reason so it is you who choose to be offended by it. The problem is that you're more interested in me and you than in what you and me have to say. This is a forum discussion. If you need therapy, there are online support groups as well. It's not me that's making you look dumb. It's what I have to say and it's nothing personal.
you know, many embryo's die naturally in the first 8 weeks due to natural abortion...
You know, many people die naturally in the first 16 years due to illness. Some die due to an accident. And if they maybe get killed on purpose by other people, most people openly say what happened to them.
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You know, many people die naturally in the first 16 years due to illness. Some die due to an accident. And if they maybe get killed on purpose by other people, most people openly say what happened to them.
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Anyway, the main issue here is that your old-school narrow-minded view is dying and ideas of freedom for women and children are getting bigger and bigger for all the humanity... That's sounds good to my dumb spirit -)
I don't care if you consider me seriously. I am not talking about me here. I also don't care if my opinion offends you because I don't have my opinion for that reason so it is you who choose to be offended by it. The problem is that you're more interested in me and you than in what you and me have to say. This is a forum discussion. If you need therapy, there are online support groups as well. It's not me that's making you look dumb. It's what I have to say and it's nothing personal.
Are you so masochist to confirm all i said about you ?
Are you so masochist to confirm all i said about you ?
Anyway, the main issue here is that your old-school narrow-minded view is dying and ideas of freedom for women and children are getting bigger and bigger for all the humanity
Abortion has nothing to do with emancipation of the woman. Like I said, it's a balance of two freedoms and the choice of which one is the more important one. It's so unfair (on an intellectual level) to say you are the defender of the freedom here. I hope you didn't realize this before, 'cause the other case would be that you're not interested in an intellectual honest discussion.
However, your point of view lacks consequence. You keep on saying abortion is the freedom that should be allowed, but you put restrictions to it because somehow at some point, that freedoms seems wrong to you.
At least I'm consequent (the right on life is more important than the right to have an abortion unless the life of the mother is in danger (in which I give the current life more value than the future life) or the doctors agree that the child will only suffer if it's born (some kids only live 2 years with a disease (Kwast may know what I mean, it was in the Flemish documentary program 'Koppen') with the only thing they're feeling is pain)).
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Abortion has nothing to do with emancipation of the woman. Like I said, it's a balance of two freedoms and the choice of which one is the more important one. It's so unfair (on an intellectual level) to say you are the defender of the freedom here. I hope you didn't realize this before, 'cause the other case would be that you're not interested in an intellectual honest discussion.
However, your point of view lacks consequence. You keep on saying abortion is the freedom that should be allowed, but you put restrictions to it because somehow at some point, that freedoms seems wrong to you.
At least I'm consequent (the right on life is more important than the right to have an abortion unless the life of the mother is in danger (in which I give the current life more value than the future life) or the doctors agree that the child will only suffer if it's born (some kids only live 2 years with a disease (Kwast may know what I mean, it was in the Flemish documentary program 'Koppen') with the only thing they're feeling is pain)).
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Abortion has nothing to do with emancipation of the woman. Like I said, it's a balance of two freedoms and the choice of which one is the more important one. It's so unfair (on an intellectual level) to say you are the defender of the freedom here. I hope you didn't realize this before, 'cause the other case would be that you're not interested in an intellectual honest discussion.
Before talking again about abortion, i'd like to point out one thing... Your "like I said" is as I or Sasha or anyone here POV... Who tell the truth ? Sasha because he said Abortion is homicide. That's a simple fact... You ? Because of talking a balance choice ? Or me with time given to mother to choose ?... We have all our rights to think what we think... I have all intellectual right level to think that abortion gives freedom as i explained it above. Before it was legalized, abortion was forbidden and many abortions were done in so dramatically health status as it is still be in many countries excluding abortion as legal right... And as we still live in a macho world, every kind of evolution is an emancipation of women rights...
And please, as Sasha try his very basic weaken sentences to try to stay upon the other, please be more like that : "I hope you didn't realize this before, 'cause the other case would be that you're not interested in an intellectual honest discussion."... It is so annoying to see always such answers to let your pretention with you only...
Last thing about freedom (i may remember i told you about it in private)... If you remember i told about "space" of freedom as i said about natural rights, freedom is an idea that could have a sense only with 2 humans (for example)... And thus my "spaces" of freedom will not raise the entire Freedom... Therefore, i can easily introduce (as was done in laws about abortion) some conditions for the freedom of women... It is enough clever for your so smart level of intelligence ? (you see, very annoying to let you see so weaken last sentence you know use with Sasha)
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Before talking again about abortion, i'd like to point out one thing... Your "like I said" is as I or Sasha or anyone here POV... Who tell the truth ? Sasha because he said Abortion is homicide. That's a simple fact... You ? Because of talking a balance choice ? Or me with time given to mother to choose ?... We have all our rights to think what we think... I have all intellectual right level to think that abortion gives freedom as i explained it above. Before it was legalized, abortion was forbidden and many abortions were done in so dramatically health status as it is still be in many countries excluding abortion as legal right... And as we still live in a macho world, every kind of evolution is an emancipation of women rights...
And please, as Sasha try his very basic weaken sentences to try to stay upon the other, please be more like that : "I hope you didn't realize this before, 'cause the other case would be that you're not interested in an intellectual honest discussion."... It is so annoying to see always such answers to let your pretention with you only...
Last thing about freedom (i may remember i told you about it in private)... If you remember i told about "space" of freedom as i said about natural rights, freedom is an idea that could have a sense only with 2 humans (for example)... And thus my "spaces" of freedom will not raise the entire Freedom... Therefore, i can easily introduce (as was done in laws about abortion) some conditions for the freedom of women... It is enough clever for your so smart level of intelligence ? (you see, very annoying to let you see so weaken last sentence you know use with Sasha)
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Abortion has nothing to do with emancipation of the woman.
OMG...
this can't be serious.
it's a balance of two freedoms and the choice of which one is the more important one.
No, no freedom for something is not a man.
OMG...
this can't be serious.
it's a balance of two freedoms and the choice of which one is the more important one.
No, no freedom for something is not a man.
Talking about legal rights makes even less sense as they are there and they are undeniable. An ideological discussion has nothing to do with legal rights. It's about moral rights.
no it's about preferences.
Anywhere those preferences came from.
you can take them out from your morla value. I from my economic interests. Another one from his hate for womans.
call them preferences, it's more real. If you call them moral rights you can end thinking that there's something more than your (or mine) personal preference in it.
no it's about preferences.
Anywhere those preferences came from.
you can take them out from your morla value. I from my economic interests. Another one from his hate for womans.
call them preferences, it's more real. If you call them moral rights you can end thinking that there's something more than your (or mine) personal preference in it.
every kind of evolution is an emancipation of women rights
(Also @ el pupe) It's not because you gain some freedom at some point (where other freedom disappears) that it is called emancipation. Equal rights, that is emancipation. Let me give an example: if all women were given the legal right to kill whoever they wanted to, would you call that emancipation? I hope not, while the women would gain freedom.
(Also @ el pupe) It's not because you gain some freedom at some point (where other freedom disappears) that it is called emancipation. Equal rights, that is emancipation. Let me give an example: if all women were given the legal right to kill whoever they wanted to, would you call that emancipation? I hope not, while the women would gain freedom.
No, no freedom for something is not a man.
How am I supposed to understand a sentence like that?
How am I supposed to understand a sentence like that?
you can take them out from your morla value. I from my economic interests.
I really don't understand your obsession with the words 'moral value'. And quite frankly, it's starting to get annoying.
I really don't understand your obsession with the words 'moral value'. And quite frankly, it's starting to get annoying.
Are you so masochist to confirm all i said about you ?
I already told you. I am not talking about you and me here. I am talking about the subject matter. Just because I cannot value your opinion the way you would like to, doesn't mean that I am insulting you. This goes the same for both of us. You keep insisting on ad hominem arguments which people usually do when they feel their arguments about the subject matter are too weak. You are the one who made physical threats and insults here. Not me.
I already told you. I am not talking about you and me here. I am talking about the subject matter. Just because I cannot value your opinion the way you would like to, doesn't mean that I am insulting you. This goes the same for both of us. You keep insisting on ad hominem arguments which people usually do when they feel their arguments about the subject matter are too weak. You are the one who made physical threats and insults here. Not me.
And I repeat once again: my opinion is not aimed at anyone personally. It's simply my worldview that I live by. I don't see why I would have to twist it or hide it to make other people feel better about themselves.
I believe that what you insist on eventually leads to false logic. E.g. I don't agree with Levitate's worldview but most of the time I completely understand his logic. It simply makes sense to me. He's very clear and consistent about it. With you and el pupe it is not the same. I am constantly puzzled by your logic which seems contradictory to me most of the time. I know that a lot of it gets lost in translation but I think it's not only because of that. I think that you're simply trying to make too much compromises at the same time.
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I believe that what you insist on eventually leads to false logic. E.g. I don't agree with Levitate's worldview but most of the time I completely understand his logic. It simply makes sense to me. He's very clear and consistent about it. With you and el pupe it is not the same. I am constantly puzzled by your logic which seems contradictory to me most of the time. I know that a lot of it gets lost in translation but I think it's not only because of that. I think that you're simply trying to make too much compromises at the same time.
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émancipation
nom féminin (latin emancipatio, -onis)
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Taken from Larousse french dictionary :
Définitions de émancipation
1- Décision judiciaire ou effet légal, qui confère à un mineur, assimilé à un majeur, la capacité civile.
2- Action de s'affranchir d'un lien, d'une entrave, d'un état de dépendance, d'une domination, d'un préjugé : L'émancipation de la femme.
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nom féminin (latin emancipatio, -onis)
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Définitions
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Taken from Larousse french dictionary :
Définitions de émancipation
1- Décision judiciaire ou effet légal, qui confère à un mineur, assimilé à un majeur, la capacité civile.
2- Action de s'affranchir d'un lien, d'une entrave, d'un état de dépendance, d'une domination, d'un préjugé : L'émancipation de la femme.
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Exactly. So abortion is just as much emancipation as allowing women to kill whoever they want to (if you use that definition).
Edit: have you even read the comment you're reacting to?
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Exactly. So abortion is just as much emancipation as allowing women to kill whoever they want to (if you use that definition).
Edit: have you even read the comment you're reacting to?
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