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You want to solve the problem,
Start with education the kids,
check out their kids learning books and see what they explain them about Israel
I already told you what I will be willing to give for TRUE REAL PEACE (i.e like in Belgium, no alerts and no suicide human bombs), and if you will be able to a sure that,it will be much easier.
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Start with education the kids,
check out their kids learning books and see what they explain them about Israel
I already told you what I will be willing to give for TRUE REAL PEACE (i.e like in Belgium, no alerts and no suicide human bombs), and if you will be able to a sure that,it will be much easier.
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1) Those straight lines go through deserts, where almost nobody lives ...
2) Blaming France and United Kingdom for all shit that happens in Middle-East is quite easy ...
3) If the British plan of 1921 wanted to give the entirely area to the Jews, that plan is a disaster. In '45, Jews made about 33% of the people living in the nowadays Israel. In '47, it was about 49% ... So until then ( so certainly in '21 ), Arabs were the majority in the country, so making a Jewish state there wouldn't have been a good solution back then. And one tenth of the original plan? Then the plan was really, really bad, and I'd like to see it. Have you got a link?
4) There were 600,000 Jews armed with 1 gun for each ten guys, and these too were old Czech leftovers from WWII facing the organised armies of tanks and planes of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and forces from Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Syria. Can I see your source please?
5) Jews have lived in Israel always and never truly went away. Disagree, see Jewish Diaspora: after the failed attempt to get the land back from the Roman Empire a lot of Jews left voluntary.
6) The crusaders were here, Salah-A-Din was here, the Ottoman Empire, the British, etc. Jews were the only constant feature in these lands even if in small numbers. We have been ruled by Romans, French, German, Austrians and Spaniards. It's the same here, people from the Netherlands ( not the country, but the region, also known as the Low Countries ) are the only constant. And Arabs live in your country for quite a long time ... don't say you are the ONLY constant.
7) Only after Israel and Jordan were born, local Arabs found out that the Jordanians don't want them, the Jews finally got international recognition for their part and they couldn't move freely anymore. You see, they have the same trouble you had, so they want a country too. Isn't that logical?
I'd like you to answer to all the numbers please.
2) Blaming France and United Kingdom for all shit that happens in Middle-East is quite easy ...
3) If the British plan of 1921 wanted to give the entirely area to the Jews, that plan is a disaster. In '45, Jews made about 33% of the people living in the nowadays Israel. In '47, it was about 49% ... So until then ( so certainly in '21 ), Arabs were the majority in the country, so making a Jewish state there wouldn't have been a good solution back then. And one tenth of the original plan? Then the plan was really, really bad, and I'd like to see it. Have you got a link?
4) There were 600,000 Jews armed with 1 gun for each ten guys, and these too were old Czech leftovers from WWII facing the organised armies of tanks and planes of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and forces from Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Syria. Can I see your source please?
5) Jews have lived in Israel always and never truly went away. Disagree, see Jewish Diaspora: after the failed attempt to get the land back from the Roman Empire a lot of Jews left voluntary.
6) The crusaders were here, Salah-A-Din was here, the Ottoman Empire, the British, etc. Jews were the only constant feature in these lands even if in small numbers. We have been ruled by Romans, French, German, Austrians and Spaniards. It's the same here, people from the Netherlands ( not the country, but the region, also known as the Low Countries ) are the only constant. And Arabs live in your country for quite a long time ... don't say you are the ONLY constant.
7) Only after Israel and Jordan were born, local Arabs found out that the Jordanians don't want them, the Jews finally got international recognition for their part and they couldn't move freely anymore. You see, they have the same trouble you had, so they want a country too. Isn't that logical?
I'd like you to answer to all the numbers please.
Chuck,
I read your reply to me. I mean I read your response but you did not reply.
As far as I am concerned your opinion justifies terror for the cause of blockade of building materials. According to your standards it does not matter if these thugs would stub Israeli troops as long as it serves their goal.
Were noit you the one who wanted to hear more opinions from Israelies? I wonder why I should bother. I cannot anyway confuse you with facst.
Did the ship bring building materials?
Do you have any valid information that Israel blocks supply from Gaza?
Do you know that there are trucks stuck at the bording crossing just as we speak? They are loaded with most of the goods (well, except for some kitchen items and several iron bars, that could be considered as building materials). They are blocked by the poor palestinians who do not really care for anything except for political points.
This is propaganda.
It is well noted that when Israel does have a right to do something (for example to start a blockade) your opinion is given in priority over the law. However you stick to a UN standards about bulding materials as if it is a good justification to break other laws.
By the way, why are you so keen to get building materials into Gaza?
Is it for the smuggling tunnels? Can someone guarantee that these goods are used for good purposes? The UN itself cannot take care of the medicine and food that is forcefully taken by Hamas for their own priority.
You were good at twisting the discussion by referring to propaganda to everything we say, Yet you literally support propaganda that is made by using cinical measures.
And back to my original question. If you can give honest answers
1. Were these thugs on the board humanitarian peace makers?
2. Do you still consider the result (9-0) as an ultimate proof? (I consider it a miracle)
3. Did it occur to you that with different type of "demonstrators" there would not be even a single casualty?
4. Do the publicesed videos show you something about the value of life for certain sides? I mean remotely from the debate of the occassion
5. To what extent do you still consider these videos as doctored?
I read your reply to me. I mean I read your response but you did not reply.
As far as I am concerned your opinion justifies terror for the cause of blockade of building materials. According to your standards it does not matter if these thugs would stub Israeli troops as long as it serves their goal.
Were noit you the one who wanted to hear more opinions from Israelies? I wonder why I should bother. I cannot anyway confuse you with facst.
Did the ship bring building materials?
Do you have any valid information that Israel blocks supply from Gaza?
Do you know that there are trucks stuck at the bording crossing just as we speak? They are loaded with most of the goods (well, except for some kitchen items and several iron bars, that could be considered as building materials). They are blocked by the poor palestinians who do not really care for anything except for political points.
This is propaganda.
It is well noted that when Israel does have a right to do something (for example to start a blockade) your opinion is given in priority over the law. However you stick to a UN standards about bulding materials as if it is a good justification to break other laws.
By the way, why are you so keen to get building materials into Gaza?
Is it for the smuggling tunnels? Can someone guarantee that these goods are used for good purposes? The UN itself cannot take care of the medicine and food that is forcefully taken by Hamas for their own priority.
You were good at twisting the discussion by referring to propaganda to everything we say, Yet you literally support propaganda that is made by using cinical measures.
And back to my original question. If you can give honest answers
1. Were these thugs on the board humanitarian peace makers?
2. Do you still consider the result (9-0) as an ultimate proof? (I consider it a miracle)
3. Did it occur to you that with different type of "demonstrators" there would not be even a single casualty?
4. Do the publicesed videos show you something about the value of life for certain sides? I mean remotely from the debate of the occassion
5. To what extent do you still consider these videos as doctored?
For those who are really interested in the complex situation, watch some of these docu's. And if you don't know the complex situation, this is a good way to learn :)
Unfortunatly a lot of comment is in Dutch, but large parts of many docu's are also in English, Hebrew and probably also some Arabic.
Link to documentaries Israel
These are also some really interesting docu's.
Link to more documentaries Israel (click video, rightside of your screen)
Something else I just found. Maybe it's ok to watch.
Link to documentarie Project (Hebrew and Arabic I think, but English subtitled)
PS. I don't decide which ones you should watch, that's up to you.
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Unfortunatly a lot of comment is in Dutch, but large parts of many docu's are also in English, Hebrew and probably also some Arabic.
Link to documentaries Israel
These are also some really interesting docu's.
Link to more documentaries Israel (click video, rightside of your screen)
Something else I just found. Maybe it's ok to watch.
Link to documentarie Project (Hebrew and Arabic I think, but English subtitled)
PS. I don't decide which ones you should watch, that's up to you.
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BTW today is celebration of victory agains facism and TRIANON contract which brings to Slovakia FREEDOM after hundreds year under Magyars occupation...
vivat FREEDOM (just Hungarians, as Hitler partners in WWII, hate this day)
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vivat FREEDOM (just Hungarians, as Hitler partners in WWII, hate this day)
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Make israeli's and arabs like eachother and forgive their mutual warcrimes.
Sorry I didn't follow it in several days.
Why only Israel/arabs? Why nobody cares for the war crimes in Africa that are hapening now (there are several genocides going on there)?
Why nobody in Europe want to volunter to help build schools in South America, but they are happy to go and be human shield in Gaza?
Why not much people goes to help to the people with AIDS in Africa?
My answer is that Israel/arabs is in the news and the people wants to be on the news. Why is on the news all the time?. My guess is money.
Sorry I didn't follow it in several days.
Why only Israel/arabs? Why nobody cares for the war crimes in Africa that are hapening now (there are several genocides going on there)?
Why nobody in Europe want to volunter to help build schools in South America, but they are happy to go and be human shield in Gaza?
Why not much people goes to help to the people with AIDS in Africa?
My answer is that Israel/arabs is in the news and the people wants to be on the news. Why is on the news all the time?. My guess is money.
When are you going to recognize the Armenian genocide?
When are you going to give the land to the kurdish freedon fighters the land to create the free country?
Are you going to stop doing raids in Irak soil to kill kurds?
When are you going to give the land to the kurdish freedon fighters the land to create the free country?
Are you going to stop doing raids in Irak soil to kill kurds?
Trianon was way earlier than fascism, just read a history book.
*Lowers his hand, so LP stands there quite ridiculously* ;-)
When are you going to recognize the Armenian genocide?
When are you going to give the land to the kurdish freedon fighters the land to create the free country?
Are you going to stop doing raids in Irak soil to kill kurds?
Right after they will withdraw the occupation of Cyprus and return their homes to the Greeks who were expelled from there ;)
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When are you going to give the land to the kurdish freedon fighters the land to create the free country?
Are you going to stop doing raids in Irak soil to kill kurds?
Right after they will withdraw the occupation of Cyprus and return their homes to the Greeks who were expelled from there ;)
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When are you going to leave?
Did I said anything disrespectful to you?
Did I said anything disrespectful to you?
Latest news: The Israeli and Irish governments reached an agreement regarding the goods on board the in coming Rachel Corrie ship. The 'Peace Activists' on board refused it. The Irish government suggested and Israel accepted that the boat stops at Ashdod harbour, unloads and inspected by UN officials for weapons accompanied by 2 of the 10 activitsts on board and then deliver the goods the 25 miles to gaza on UN trucks. The activists won't have it. They aim only for a confrontation with the IDF.
Good :) I hope they refuse this to the end...
Good :) I hope they refuse this to the end...
No, but you are asking silly questions:
Why only Israel/arabs? Why nobody cares for the war crimes in Africa that are hapening now (there are several genocides going on there)?
So whenever a bigger problem exist in the world, you can't even talk about it? Come on, we are just interested, and want to talk about that.
Why nobody in Europe want to volunter to help build schools in South America, but they are happy to go and be human shield in Gaza?
Because I don't see the reason why I should go and build schools ... And it's not like whole of Europe was on that boat. How many people were there, 600 ...
Why not much people goes to help to the people with AIDS in Africa?
Because why should I? And what are going to do exactly? Why don't you go yourself ...
Why only Israel/arabs? Why nobody cares for the war crimes in Africa that are hapening now (there are several genocides going on there)?
So whenever a bigger problem exist in the world, you can't even talk about it? Come on, we are just interested, and want to talk about that.
Why nobody in Europe want to volunter to help build schools in South America, but they are happy to go and be human shield in Gaza?
Because I don't see the reason why I should go and build schools ... And it's not like whole of Europe was on that boat. How many people were there, 600 ...
Why not much people goes to help to the people with AIDS in Africa?
Because why should I? And what are going to do exactly? Why don't you go yourself ...
Those are not silly questions. There are not silly questions.
You can talk of any problem in the world, but most of the time you talk about Israel/arabs like is the only problem.
Europe is/was giving billions to the arabs, but they are not giving anything to the south american aboriginals.
I was helping people in Neuquen (South Argentina) at some point, then I think I did some humanitarian work.
You can talk of any problem in the world, but most of the time you talk about Israel/arabs like is the only problem.
Europe is/was giving billions to the arabs, but they are not giving anything to the south american aboriginals.
I was helping people in Neuquen (South Argentina) at some point, then I think I did some humanitarian work.