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and such kind of mental shortcut is problematic.
and the point is not really everybody understands nazis were running those camps.

And yes, were Nazi camps, but there were ruled by Nazis what were Germans, Austrians, Czechs and even Polish, not all Polish were Jews ;)

could You name of of those camps ruled by polish nazis as You said ?

In last few days I read that this is family-oriented site, so maybe it is not polite to lie

oh and coming back to previous topic, i didn't mean "technical" stuff like flash or whatever, i meant after all these years i still have totally no idea about sokker's training, tactics etc etc. for me still it has nothing to do with football lol. :(

maybe for You it is not offending, for me it is - none of the european nations (even Germans) had so much civilian casaulties during WWII as polish nation, so maybe for us it is stil important.

Im not saying ruled by Poles, only that Nazis were between all nationalities, so there is no need to tell something about nation, all educated people know camps were Nazis, not german as official name of this state was Deutsches Reich to the period of 1943 and after it Großdeutsches Reich till 1945.

so if you want to be accurate be accurate to the both sides ;)
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Underneath text and links to the sources. It is true collaboration in Poland was little, but it did exist. Denying this is lying actually!
And mental shortcut? It is the simple truth

Historians generally agree that there was little collaboration with the Nazis by individual Poles in comparison with other German-occupied countries.


[4] Carla Tonini, The Polish underground press and the issue of collaboration with the Nazi occupiers, 1939-1944, European Review of History: Revue Europeenne d'Histoire, Volume 15, Issue 2 April 2008 , pages 193 - 205
[5] Klaus-Peter Friedrich. Collaboration in a "Land without a Quisling": Patterns of Cooperation with the Nazi German Occupation Regime in Poland during World War II. Slavic Review, Vol. 64, No. 4, (Winter, 2005), pp. 711-746. JSTOR
[6] John Connelly, Why the Poles Collaborated so Little: And Why That Is No Reason for Nationalist Hubris, Slavic Review, Vol. 64, No. 4 (Winter, 2005), pp. 771-781, JSTOR

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And yes, were Nazi camps, but there were ruled by Nazis what were Germans, Austrians, Czechs and even Polish

show us 1 :>

:D if you believe on fairytale that there was no one like it in Poland keep studying below...

GL
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Here just a few who collaborated with Nazi Germany during WWII.

Józef Cukier
Ludwik Kalkstein
Wacław Krzeptowski
Jan Emil Skiwski
Eugeniusz Świerczewski
Igo Sym

I will ask you a question

would you find it ok to say that Belgium was a Nazi coutnry during WW II?

germany is bigger than ever ..so what ?

Half France was Nazi during the WWII. Many french people were "collaborateurs", some even fight in the nazi army.

No, since this is not true.
It is true however that Belgium had a rather large number of collaborators (more than in Poland). I have no problem with telling the truth about our history. I wonder why this small part of the truth cannot be mentioned to the Polish forum visitors?

And even now, we still have Nazi's (or should I say fascists?) in Belgium. I'm quite sure you have these in Poland as well.

Not true, no one cares about your case now in Poland.

and I'm talking about the survivors who NOW feel offended and have to go to courts

who survived the Nazi hell just to hear that they were in a 'Polish death camp'

seriously, a shortcut? How longer would it take to say 'Nazi death camp in former Poland'?

And yes, were Nazi camps, but there were ruled by Nazis what were Germans, Austrians, Czechs and even Polish, not all Polish were Jews ;)

ruled by Poles? Maybe they were even ruled by Jews?

of course there was a small percentage of human scum who helped the Germans in their death camps
it doesn't make the death camps non-German, look at the percentages, look at whose idea it was, look at who built them, look at who run them

just Nazi camps, nothing more...

but they are often NOT called Nazi. They are called Polish. That's the problem. The problem is that some media like ZDF use it every year and every year get sued for it

tell me, why do they insist on calling these death camps 'Polish'?

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finaly someone reasonable and rational ;)

It is true however that Belgium had a rather large number of collaborators (more than in Poland). I have no problem with telling the truth about our history. I wonder why this small part of the truth cannot be mentioned to the Polish forum visitors?

nobody is denying that SOME small percentage of Poles did help them, so don't lie. it's not what's the problem here.

the problem is that these were NOT Polish death camps and calling them so is simply wrong and distasteful.

by your logic, if the death camps were Polish, then Belgium was a Nazi country, since some of Belgiums were collaborateurs.