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Christopher Stevens, U.S. ambassador to Libya, killed in Benghazi
Foto.... not nice, not for kids.
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First time, after Libya get freedom and democracy, when they turn against US cos American film which offend islam religion.
So... after US gave them freedom, they realize who is enemy :-D ? Ridiculous !
They should glory US and not kill its ambassadors.
Foto.... not nice, not for kids.
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s720x720/185092_384005688337478_723681326_n.jpg
First time, after Libya get freedom and democracy, when they turn against US cos American film which offend islam religion.
So... after US gave them freedom, they realize who is enemy :-D ? Ridiculous !
They should glory US and not kill its ambassadors.
what a single person is meant to do can't represent what people from his country wants to do
This is a typical notion used here by several people, as if Israel has no right to exist, and therefore its population must be attacked without being allowed to defend itself.
Everyone in every war always tell he's only "defending" himself..
there's nothing Israel do for peace, no concessions, no cooperation, no economic integration, no citizen integration, no real religious freedom.. and a criminale internal and foregin politic to keep the palestinian people poor and under blackmail of their leaders.
but they claim they have the right to defende theirselves.. well it's an esxcuse to keep on going with thata war.
If arabs would stop attacking Israel - there will be peace.
Is Israel would stop defending itself - there will not remain Israelies alive.
I strongly disagree with this.
Peace is a process that need something more than just a stop of one side attack, but it's the same time something one side can start without needing of the other.
Everyone in every war always tell he's only "defending" himself..
there's nothing Israel do for peace, no concessions, no cooperation, no economic integration, no citizen integration, no real religious freedom.. and a criminale internal and foregin politic to keep the palestinian people poor and under blackmail of their leaders.
but they claim they have the right to defende theirselves.. well it's an esxcuse to keep on going with thata war.
If arabs would stop attacking Israel - there will be peace.
Is Israel would stop defending itself - there will not remain Israelies alive.
I strongly disagree with this.
Peace is a process that need something more than just a stop of one side attack, but it's the same time something one side can start without needing of the other.
After US ambassador was killed in Libya, two US ship are moving toward Libya land, maybe they need fix democracy or what :-D ?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4280906,00.html
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4280906,00.html
No, that's just to conter-attack the Republican Party :-D
:-) nice...what it is..fake or reality... :-DD ??
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el pupe wrote
there's nothing Israel do for peace, no concessions, no cooperation, no economic integration, no citizen integration, no real religious freedom.. and a criminale internal and foregin politic to keep the palestinian people poor and under blackmail of their leaders.
This is absolutely not true.
Palestinians come to work in Israel, Palestinian business people visit us regularly. The problem is that I cannot visit them... it's too dangerous. They travel freely in Israel, do not need security escort and are free to go anywhere.
What more could be considered coorperation, and business integration?
There were in the past industrial areas ON the border, built by Israel, and meant to provide common business areas. The one at Erez is now abandoned because of terrorist attacks on their own people.
Agriculture prodcuct from Gaza are being taken on daily basis to be sold in Israel, or to be exported internationaly.
Israel provides most of the electricity and gas that Palestinians consume. Most of the supply to Gaza is provided by Israel. Even during the military operation several years ago, the electricity was still supplied, although part of it is being used to manufacture rockets.
Israel took out our settlers from Gaza, in attempt to signal future concession. Did it bring any good will from the palestinians? No, it brought almost 10,000 rockets on civilians' from the same places that were controlled by the army before the retreat.
Hospitals in cenrtal Israel, provide treatment, medicine and operation to palestinians from all places. Furthermore, full families are allowed to visit and attend their patients.
The claim about religion freedom is ridiculus. You probably never visited our area.
Today there are arab protests against that stupid film, legaly demonstrating in the middle of Tel Aviv and in many other locations. Do you think it would have been possible for anyone (Israeli, muslim, Jew, christian, budhist) to do demonstration about or against anything in any other neighbor country?
If you think I am lying, I invite you to visit. I will host you and take you to places and show you around. Hopefully when we will be closer to Gaza border, they will not shoot missiles on us.
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there's nothing Israel do for peace, no concessions, no cooperation, no economic integration, no citizen integration, no real religious freedom.. and a criminale internal and foregin politic to keep the palestinian people poor and under blackmail of their leaders.
This is absolutely not true.
Palestinians come to work in Israel, Palestinian business people visit us regularly. The problem is that I cannot visit them... it's too dangerous. They travel freely in Israel, do not need security escort and are free to go anywhere.
What more could be considered coorperation, and business integration?
There were in the past industrial areas ON the border, built by Israel, and meant to provide common business areas. The one at Erez is now abandoned because of terrorist attacks on their own people.
Agriculture prodcuct from Gaza are being taken on daily basis to be sold in Israel, or to be exported internationaly.
Israel provides most of the electricity and gas that Palestinians consume. Most of the supply to Gaza is provided by Israel. Even during the military operation several years ago, the electricity was still supplied, although part of it is being used to manufacture rockets.
Israel took out our settlers from Gaza, in attempt to signal future concession. Did it bring any good will from the palestinians? No, it brought almost 10,000 rockets on civilians' from the same places that were controlled by the army before the retreat.
Hospitals in cenrtal Israel, provide treatment, medicine and operation to palestinians from all places. Furthermore, full families are allowed to visit and attend their patients.
The claim about religion freedom is ridiculus. You probably never visited our area.
Today there are arab protests against that stupid film, legaly demonstrating in the middle of Tel Aviv and in many other locations. Do you think it would have been possible for anyone (Israeli, muslim, Jew, christian, budhist) to do demonstration about or against anything in any other neighbor country?
If you think I am lying, I invite you to visit. I will host you and take you to places and show you around. Hopefully when we will be closer to Gaza border, they will not shoot missiles on us.
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maybe it is mistake, that you can not make legal war.... give them independence and then, if they attack you it will be war act so you can make legal war and clean all the area and give them all to one big jail....
easy... :-)
easy... :-)
If you think I am lying, I invite you to visit.
I don't think you lie, I think you tell a part of the story.
For every question I can bring you elements in an opposite direction.
But I think its useless, until you keep believing an us vs them version of the story.
Reality is that the war is: both gov's vs both peoples.
I don't think you lie, I think you tell a part of the story.
For every question I can bring you elements in an opposite direction.
But I think its useless, until you keep believing an us vs them version of the story.
Reality is that the war is: both gov's vs both peoples.
El Pupe
I agree to your last statement.
I do see the other side. I do agree that the situation is disturbing. I do want the conflict to end and I do not want to hold other people or their land under our control.
But again, I also want to live. All signals from other side and their leadership do not even attempt to make me calm about the day after. The new president of Egypt refuses to even say the name of my country, and others say that we have to vanish from earth.
I agree to your last statement.
I do see the other side. I do agree that the situation is disturbing. I do want the conflict to end and I do not want to hold other people or their land under our control.
But again, I also want to live. All signals from other side and their leadership do not even attempt to make me calm about the day after. The new president of Egypt refuses to even say the name of my country, and others say that we have to vanish from earth.
Runpil,
You wrote "maybe it is mistake, that you can not make legal war.... give them independence and then, if they attack you it will be war act so you can make legal war and clean all the area and give them all to one big jail....
You describe what already happened. Exactly.
You wrote "maybe it is mistake, that you can not make legal war.... give them independence and then, if they attack you it will be war act so you can make legal war and clean all the area and give them all to one big jail....
You describe what already happened. Exactly.
You are right.
I think the only possible solution is to stop bombing and start a peace politic, including an economic politic of growt for palestinians.
I'm realistic, this will be long and there will be victims and unsuccessful times, but the only chance is not to fall again and again in the lie of "selfdefense", you are not selfdefending yourselves, you're condeming your kids to live like you do now. In war and fear.
I think the only possible solution is to stop bombing and start a peace politic, including an economic politic of growt for palestinians.
I'm realistic, this will be long and there will be victims and unsuccessful times, but the only chance is not to fall again and again in the lie of "selfdefense", you are not selfdefending yourselves, you're condeming your kids to live like you do now. In war and fear.
???? I dont see Palestine state and declaration war against attacker.
Now I can see just strong Israel amry attacking rebels hiding among civils which are dying too.
Now I can see just strong Israel amry attacking rebels hiding among civils which are dying too.