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Subject: Islamization of World, Europe, your country - problem.
wao, in Poland, you have internet access in the psychiatries... ;)
i am afraid of ANY religion, when this religion gots power
i dont undertand why left wing people always against catholicism, but never against islamism ( i am left wing in some aspects, and i dislike islamism too)
Im agnostic, so i dont like any religion
religion---> in home of people who is relogious. Thats fine. But forcing the rest of the society to obbey some religious laws bufff makes me throw up
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i dont undertand why left wing people always against catholicism, but never against islamism ( i am left wing in some aspects, and i dislike islamism too)
Im agnostic, so i dont like any religion
religion---> in home of people who is relogious. Thats fine. But forcing the rest of the society to obbey some religious laws bufff makes me throw up
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As for if we have islamic countries in Europe in 20 years, that depends on the development of religion, the population and several other partly unknown and pretty much unpredictable factors. So all who say they know that will happen actually only say they have no idea what will happen, that is a guess by me ;-) .
About the monotheistic religions (christianity, judaism, islam): they all are very cruel, aggressive towards not believers, seeing women as not equal and so forth in parts of their writings. Parts of the old Testament for Christians and Jews, parts of the Koran, as examples.
And as for actual cruelty against people we have to mention (among others) the crusades, colonization of the americas, the warfare of the ottoman empire till and after the fall of constantinople and so forth till today.
Maybe a reasoning might be that about 2000 year old theology did not evolve with the societies.
As for comparing cruel parts of the Bible with cruel parts of the Koran, we all probably know by now they exist in both books. The point is, does nowadays western christian society live by these standards? and the answer there is: the overwhelming majority does not (anymore). So there is no reason to point that out or discuss it (at least not as a reasoning that a modern christian is on the same ethical standpoint like the average religious terrorist you may come across). The point here is that with the evolution of society over the past decades the majority of christians in the western world concentrated more on other parts of the bible (it is a big book and some parts old/new testament do actually differ in the conclusions one might make of them).
In contrary to that societies in the islamic world have not (yet) evolved like in the western world (and the immigration of muslims to europe has happened in the past 60 years). And therefore some viewpoints (mentioned before) do exist in these societies (to a bigger part than it does in the western christian societies).
The result of that (other factors are problems with immigration, unemployment, no perspective for the youth, adjusting problems with the legal system and so on) are that there is actually a higher percentage of fundamentalistic (people who follow a rather radical ideology of their religion) muslims than in the other monotheistic religions. For example in Germany are about 4500 salafistic muslims, with 4 Million Muslims in Germany that is about 0.1% (that does not mean there are 0.1% of muslims fundamentalists, just to make that clear). These figures would sum up to about 50.000 christians in Germany who are as radical in their believe like salafistic muslims (80.000.000 Germans, ~60% Christians, ~0.1% of them). And that is not the case, by far.
To make a conclusion out of that is very difficult. There is a problem with fundamentalistic muslims and the (not yet) evolved islam in Europe.
If all that will end up in islamic countries in 20 years in Europe? I doubt it.
About the monotheistic religions (christianity, judaism, islam): they all are very cruel, aggressive towards not believers, seeing women as not equal and so forth in parts of their writings. Parts of the old Testament for Christians and Jews, parts of the Koran, as examples.
And as for actual cruelty against people we have to mention (among others) the crusades, colonization of the americas, the warfare of the ottoman empire till and after the fall of constantinople and so forth till today.
Maybe a reasoning might be that about 2000 year old theology did not evolve with the societies.
As for comparing cruel parts of the Bible with cruel parts of the Koran, we all probably know by now they exist in both books. The point is, does nowadays western christian society live by these standards? and the answer there is: the overwhelming majority does not (anymore). So there is no reason to point that out or discuss it (at least not as a reasoning that a modern christian is on the same ethical standpoint like the average religious terrorist you may come across). The point here is that with the evolution of society over the past decades the majority of christians in the western world concentrated more on other parts of the bible (it is a big book and some parts old/new testament do actually differ in the conclusions one might make of them).
In contrary to that societies in the islamic world have not (yet) evolved like in the western world (and the immigration of muslims to europe has happened in the past 60 years). And therefore some viewpoints (mentioned before) do exist in these societies (to a bigger part than it does in the western christian societies).
The result of that (other factors are problems with immigration, unemployment, no perspective for the youth, adjusting problems with the legal system and so on) are that there is actually a higher percentage of fundamentalistic (people who follow a rather radical ideology of their religion) muslims than in the other monotheistic religions. For example in Germany are about 4500 salafistic muslims, with 4 Million Muslims in Germany that is about 0.1% (that does not mean there are 0.1% of muslims fundamentalists, just to make that clear). These figures would sum up to about 50.000 christians in Germany who are as radical in their believe like salafistic muslims (80.000.000 Germans, ~60% Christians, ~0.1% of them). And that is not the case, by far.
To make a conclusion out of that is very difficult. There is a problem with fundamentalistic muslims and the (not yet) evolved islam in Europe.
If all that will end up in islamic countries in 20 years in Europe? I doubt it.
I did not write to you in particular and nothing about who created religion. In case you were wondering.
The last 17 year we went from 1.17 million non western immigrants to 1.96 non western immigrants . So you tell me in the next 20 years the 2 million will grow to 10 million immigrants and take over my beloved country ?
Holland!!!
btw : can you take your gipsy's back from here :p they are here scavaging for money thanks to the EU and theire open borders :p
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btw : can you take your gipsy's back from here :p they are here scavaging for money thanks to the EU and theire open borders :p
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Its common practice exploit social welfare system while not work. In american countries its impossible
It isn't possible in Spain nor Germany, where I've lived. Can you tell me where this laziness paradise is so I can move there and have kids all day? :D
It isn't possible in Spain nor Germany, where I've lived. Can you tell me where this laziness paradise is so I can move there and have kids all day? :D
So you tell me in the next 20 years the 2 million will grow to 10 million immigrants and take over my beloved country ?
Actually, I'm worried about OP. While what he describes is far-off science fiction in the countries I know, maybe the situation is different in his country.
So, question for Mr. Invaded: how many muslims are there in Poland?
Actually, I'm worried about OP. While what he describes is far-off science fiction in the countries I know, maybe the situation is different in his country.
So, question for Mr. Invaded: how many muslims are there in Poland?
It is not only about immigrants, it is about people who live in Holland. One muslim man make 6-8 childs, who in 20 will be allowed to vote on a party in your goverment. And this kids are taught to destroy western civilization and replace it by Islam. In 20 years this kids who were born now, will vote for islamist party in goverment, then they bring the right of Sharia. And after that, no one who don't believie in islam is safe, no one cause sharia law, quuran order to kill infidels.
In Poland are 40000-50000 muslims. It is not very much.
Really? And these 40-50k will change your government institutions and destroy your country in a cup of decades?