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Subject: R.I.P. Nelson Mandela: 1918-2013
he was a great man and he had an interesting life...... I wish we have much more such a men on the earth...
Thatcher was not that wrong describing him as a terrorist.
Oh I see... That's a very strong argument... If Thatcher considered him as a terrorist, of course he was ! (just as Manouchian or Jean Moulin were considered as terrorists by Pétain during World war II...)
Thatcher... Maybe the greatest humanist the world has ever had...
(And no, I never said you were pro apartheid...)
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Oh I see... That's a very strong argument... If Thatcher considered him as a terrorist, of course he was ! (just as Manouchian or Jean Moulin were considered as terrorists by Pétain during World war II...)
Thatcher... Maybe the greatest humanist the world has ever had...
(And no, I never said you were pro apartheid...)
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Oh I see... That's a very strong argument... If Thatcher considered him as a terrorist, of course he was !
No, not because Thatcher said. Because that's what the MK was: a terrorist organization.
Thatcher... Maybe the greatest humanist the world has ever had...
Most certainly she is a greater humanist than Mandela.
No, not because Thatcher said. Because that's what the MK was: a terrorist organization.
Thatcher... Maybe the greatest humanist the world has ever had...
Most certainly she is a greater humanist than Mandela.
Most certainly she is a greater humanist than Mandela.
Nothing to add... I can't fight against this kind of "argument" !
VivaChe was right... There 's no way to have an intelligent conversation with you. By the way, thanks for the fit of giggles ! End of discussion for me : I leave you with your certainties and your profound knwledge of the History ;-) ...
Nothing to add... I can't fight against this kind of "argument" !
VivaChe was right... There 's no way to have an intelligent conversation with you. By the way, thanks for the fit of giggles ! End of discussion for me : I leave you with your certainties and your profound knwledge of the History ;-) ...
Because that's what the MK was: a terrorist organization.
Yes, MK was a terrorist organization... So were the organizations of resistance during World war II...
But you're right. Mandela was not a saint... He was a dangerous terrorist. His whole life prove it. And the world is blind, not to have seen it. Thanks Levitate for having restore the truth and opened our closed eyes... ;)
Yes, MK was a terrorist organization... So were the organizations of resistance during World war II...
But you're right. Mandela was not a saint... He was a dangerous terrorist. His whole life prove it. And the world is blind, not to have seen it. Thanks Levitate for having restore the truth and opened our closed eyes... ;)
you love the man (Mandela ) you love his ideas, but everyday people die from starving..how is possible ?
i don't know what Mandela wanted..justice for blacks ? humanist ?how is possible ? all it's a charade
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i don't know what Mandela wanted..justice for blacks ? humanist ?how is possible ? all it's a charade
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Mandela was obviously a bad guy. He was in jail a lot, and bad guys go to jail. :)
anyway not all of them come back out and make good things. he is not the worse man walked on this world, although neither the best of course
obviously is the right word ! ;-)
To stanes : I love Gandhi too, but every day in India people still starve ! How can it be possible ? People are not reasonable !!!
To stanes : I love Gandhi too, but every day in India people still starve ! How can it be possible ? People are not reasonable !!!
Gandhi was not in charge. Mandela was in charge. He made a total mess of South Africa. (Yes, apartheid is inhumane. No, I will never defend it. But yes, some things have worsened since the overthrow of the Afrikaner regime.)
Yes, MK was a terrorist organization... So were the organizations of resistance during World war II...
The point is who your attacked is aimed against. MK attacked civilian targets. I will always condemn such attacks, whether it is in South Africa during apartheid or in Europe during the Nazi-occupation. Resistance against totalitarian or inhumane regimes is good, but you should attack the aggressor (so the Nazi-occupation or the Afrikaner government), not civilians.
Church Street bombing, anyone?
The point is who your attacked is aimed against. MK attacked civilian targets. I will always condemn such attacks, whether it is in South Africa during apartheid or in Europe during the Nazi-occupation. Resistance against totalitarian or inhumane regimes is good, but you should attack the aggressor (so the Nazi-occupation or the Afrikaner government), not civilians.
Church Street bombing, anyone?
And the world is blind, not to have seen it.
This implies that if the vast majority of the world agrees (that Mandela was a good guy), it must be true. Total nonsense.
This implies that if the vast majority of the world agrees (that Mandela was a good guy), it must be true. Total nonsense.
some things have worsened since the overthrow of the Afrikaner regime
You're right again... Maybe it's better to restore the Afrikaner regime... Never mind if it's called apartheid...
Sorry, but I'm tired to raise all your contradictions... So, definitely bye...
You're right again... Maybe it's better to restore the Afrikaner regime... Never mind if it's called apartheid...
Sorry, but I'm tired to raise all your contradictions... So, definitely bye...