Subject: U21 - valgtråd / election thread

Valget er i fuld gang. Og mens der lader til at være konsensus om, at Vikingo67 (selvsagt) efter en flot kvalifikationsturnering skal have muligheden for at føre Danmark til VM, er situationen en anden forud for U21-valget. Her er der syv kandidater, hvoraf tre har fået stemmer.

Sagen er, at vi for første gang i et stykke tid har en virkelig talentfuld gruppe spillere på vej frem, der vil kunne gøre en forskel allerede i næste sæson. Ser man på NTDB'en for de vore spillere der fylder 20 år i morgen, er der allerede fire spillere på listen, der har alderen til at spille med ved VM om en god sæsons tid.

Derfor mener jeg, at det er meget vigtigt, at den kandidat, der bliver valgt den 20. december, er den bedst egnede.

Denne tråd kan bruges til at spille spørgsmål til alle kandidater, støtteerklæringer mv. Den er oprettet på eget initiativ, samt efter forespørgsler.

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Due to the importance of the forthcomming U21 election, on request but also on my own initiative, here is a general election thread. We've got a good crop of very talented youngsters, who could bring Denmark succes at the next U21 World Cup, and that is why it's so important that we get the best possible candidate for the job. This thread can be used to debate, ask questions, anything really.

Spørgsmål til alle kandidater:
I hvor høj grad vil du tilgodese 20-årige i den kommende kvalifikationsturnering? Vil du give positiv særbehandling til de unge for at udnytte de nye træningsregler for U-landshold (50% træning ved landskampe) ?

Question for all candidates:
How much will you incorporate 20 year olds in the next WC qualification tournament? Would you base your regime on giving 20 year olds the posibility to gain advantage on the new training scheme for NTs (50 per cent training per NT-match) ?
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How much will you incorporate 20 year olds in the next WC qualification tournament? Would you base your regime on giving 20 year olds the posibility to gain advantage on the new training scheme for NTs (50 per cent training per NT-match) ?

I am taking this question as a general one to all candidates. Firstly, thanks for the question...and this thread as i cannot bump my own thread ;)

Would i utilise 20yr old players? First and foremost IF we have qualified and have an easy game then if a 20yr old was on the peripheral of the team then yes i would play them. For me, 20yr olds and younger are for friendlies and easy games which are obvious wins. Im pretty sure there shall be the odd 20yr old who will be good enough - hell the Scotland team has 1 18yr & 3 19yr olds in it right now as they are currently better than the 21yr olds in it. So to recap - if any player is good enough they will play - regardless of age. Friendlies and easy win games which have no importance (doubt it there will be too many of them) then i usually play fringe players and younger players.

One thing i believe in is that a few caps here and there for players keeps the trainers happy and very interested in their players development. Phil Rosel is a classic example of that for Scotland. I gave him 3 or 4 caps i think it was when he was only 17. He is nearly now the best keeper Scotland have had in 5 seasons and he is only 18.

I hope this answers your question.

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Jeg regner med at dette svar er et generelt spørgsmål til alle kandidaterne. Først tak for spørgsmålet... og denne tråd, da jeg ikke kan oppe min egen tråd :)

Vil jeg sætte de 20 årige i aktion? Først og fremmest HVIS vi har kvalificeret os og har en nem kamp, så hvis det var 20 årige i periferien af truppen så ja, så ville jeg benytte dem. For mig er 20 årige og yngre til venskabskampe og nemme kampe som er sikre sejre. Jeg er rimelig sikker på at der nok skal være en speciel 20 årig som vil være god nok - Skotland har 1 18 årig og 3 19 årige på holdet lige nu fordi de pt er bedre er end 21 årige på holdet.
Så for at opsummere - hvis en spiller er god nok vil de spille - uanset alder. Venskabskampe og nemme sejre kampe som ikke har betydning (tvivler på mange af dem) så vil jeg normalt spille med reserve spillere og yngre spillere.

En ting jeg tror på er at et par få kampe i ny og næ for spillere holder trænerne glade og meget interesserede i deres udvikling. Et klassisk eksempel på det er Phil Rosel fra skotland, gav ham 3-4 kampe og nu er han næsten en af de bedste målmænd skotland har haft i 5 sæsoner, og han er kun 18.

Jeg håber dette besvarer dit spørgsmål

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In official match it would be base on the other team strangth and ower positon in the group.

In friendlies for sure, even though it may cost us some ranking points ;)

Ill translate in this thread, even though my offer where for when elected

For the NT-Teams the new training scheme (+50%) is a good news, because it encourages more than before "big" managers to have their young talented players in the NT.

According to me to be NTU21-Coach is very difficult, because you have frequently to find the rigth balance between the importance of the single match result and the long-term enhancement of young talented players.

So I'll be very concise:

1) WC-Qualification difficult/decisive matches: I'll do the best tactic with the best players U21 (age is NOT important).

2) WC-Qualification easy matches: I'll do the best tactic with U20 best players and eventually NT-potential 19y players.

3) Frendly/Special matches: I'll experiment tactics with U20, preferring pure Danish players (coming from danish teams)... so potentially also with 17/18y players.

4) ... I'll be very open to any suggestions of Danish community.

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For landsholdene er det nye trænings skema (+50%) en god nyhed, fordi det vil mere end før opfordre store managers til at lade deres talenter spiller på landsholdet.

Ifølge mig vil u21-landsholdstræner være mere meget svært, fordi du ofte skal finde den rette balance mellem vigtigheden af resultatet på en enkel kamp og den langsigtede opdradering/udvikling af unge talentfulde spillere.

Så jeg vil være meget kortfattet:

1) VM kvalifikation svære/afgørende kampe: Jeg vil lave den bedste taktik med de bedste u21 spillere (alder er IKKE vigtig)

2) VM kvalifikation nemme kampe: Jeg vil lave den bedste taktik med U20 spillere og eventuelt landsholdspotentielle 19 årige spillere


3) Venskabskampe/specielle kampe: Jeg vil eksperimentere taktikker med u20, foretrække danske spillere fra danske hold.... så muligvis også med 17/18 årige spillere.

4)... jeg vil være meget åben overfor forslag fra de danske brugere
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Tnx

dont know why, but cant send a new mail to people.... so you have to send text and ill translate so you can put it in your post.. :)

(have already sent rtg a translation of his and now is davornmars translated)

Hvis i vil have det på dansk så tjek deres indlæg løbende.... :)


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Im off to a trip to jylland for the weekend, will translate sunday evening if mails send... :)

Well... I couldn't find a thread to write in so here goes:

Fantastic game yesterday by the U21 team. Well the opponent wasn't that good, but always good to see that our team is gettin better and are playing really well. That is very promising with a future WC in sight.
And a huge cadeau to guy fink. It hasn't always been easy to be U21-trainer (I know), and some of the games hasn't went our way, with a lot of missed chances. But yesterday the guys really showed what they are made of. :)


With that said... I still miss some on the community part. There is no doubt that the results is gettin in first line, but imo the community part is importent aswell. As I said in another thread, I believe that qulifiying for the upcomming WC should be the new U21-trainers 1st priority. I need to vote on the player who I believe well be the best man for job. And imo the Italian-mob is standing really strong atm. They have showed us, that they are capable of getting the right results in the importent games, and they still have a high community-standard. So right now my vote is for: Davornmar.

Good luck to all though.

And imo the Italian-mob is standing really strong atm. They have showed us, that they are capable of getting the right results in the importent games, and they still have a high community-standard. So right now my vote is for: Davornmar

I thank you sincerely for the great esteem that I read in your words. I am strongly convinced that the Danish community, already very competent, could grow strongly through greater involvement of all. This is what I would try to create around your U21, as in my country happened for the Italy U21.
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@ guy fink you say in your thread...

"its a group of 5 teams only,
it means that, there is no chance to qualify from 3rd place (and we will have 2 weeks without a any match."

I dont believe there is any 3rd place qualifiers this time around as there are 16 groups of which top 2 go through which gives us 32 for the next 8 groups of 4.

you right, tnx

your welcome.

A couple of questions to all the candidates if i may.

1. When the NTDB is taken off the air what are your intentions on this matter?
2. Scouting for youth players both new and unknown - how do you intend to do this?

Someone already knows me, I'm the actual GK+ATT scout for NT-Danmark in the Vikingo67's staff.
I don't see the NTDB as the only way to share the skill of players. This year I used some scripts to find new players (downloading xml files from the server) and to automatically send skmails users. We also created a personal Excel online database using Google Documents to share updates.

good to hear. As the history of users is pretty rubbish on sokker - have you ever been an u21 manager? It is a lot different from bothering with an NT - for example - as NT scout you probably did about 1 hours work per week (maybe even less). With U21 players you have umpteen players to keep tabs on each week. For example - last week i sent out 48 sk mails asking for updates on players for Scotland. Scaling that up to Denmark totals you are talking about somewhere in the region of 200+ skmails. This is pretty darn easy with the NTDB but i doubt its very easy with excel and google.