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Subject: BRAZIL WORLD CUP FINALS

2014-07-18 13:24:12
That wasn't a penalty of course, the defender just stood there and Kramer walked right into him (he had no idea where he was going). Bad luck, that's what it was. Neuer's foul was definitely a penalty and a red card though. I don't think he had any bad intentions, but had he been a defender instead of a goalkeeper he would have probably received a red card (and a penalty). I understood Higuain's disbelief perfectly, this was a clear example of how referees sometimes protect goalkeepers too much.
2014-07-18 13:44:29
What a load of crap.

Definitely not a penalty. Neuer was first on the ball. He punched it away and after that both players collided. They both had equal amounts of responsibility in the collision. Just like Garay and Kramer ran into each other. The faults are completely comparable, imo.
2014-07-18 14:21:43
Yeah, if you consider jumping over someone with considerable force (with a serious possibility of harming the other player) as being first on the ball then he was... In my opinion Higuain was already sort of in "possession" of the ball as he was standing in between Neuer and the ball before Neuer touched the ball. Had a defender climbed in Higuain's neck and headed the ball away Rizzoli would have definitely given a penalty. And even if he wasn't 100% in possession of the ball yet then risking another player's health in the way Neuer did (his knee was pointing forward and was face high) should have been enough for a penalty.

People always think that goalkeepers have some divine right to defend themselves in a duel, but that's not the case. What amazed me even more is that Rizzoli decided to give the free kick to Germany... Germany of course deserved the World Cup, but the match could have gone the other way because of this moment. I quite frankly didn't understand why Neuer even took such an incredible risk.
2014-07-18 15:44:24
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2014-07-18 20:32:10
Vista City an Sandro Berlin
the penalty of Neuer on Higuain???



VivaChe an Vista City
The penalty against Kramer, the boy was knocked out???


- was "Garay" vs. "Kramer" knock-out and later substitute.

@Vista City
The 2 yellow/red cards of "Sergio Agüero" and "Mascherano"? The referee did not give.

I think, IF GK "Neuer" did not hit the ball, then maybe can give penalty.

But first the GK played the ball, and after this action there was the collision. For me it is not penalty.
GK did not boxing the argenina player, was boxing the ball.


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2014-07-18 21:07:04
Germans, they can not win even a world championship fair
2014-07-19 00:10:27
Coming from someone neutral I think it's a penalty
2014-07-19 02:04:40
Coming from someone neutral I think it's a penalty

I agree with you.
If it is neutral. Then it is penalty for Argentina (and red card for GK "Neuer").

and 2 yellow/red card's for Argentina ("Agüero" and "Mascherano").
And a penalty, for Germany because argentinian's "Garay" knocked-out "Kramer"

1-1 result . . . and 10 germans vs. 9 argentinians continue play
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I do not understand why Vista City write to me ?
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Vista City an Sandro Berlin
the penalty of Neuer on Higuain???

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I am not such a germany fan, he can write this text to german fan, not to me.

I only sayed before, that I do not like argentina's "Anti-Football" (only defend and counter attack)
It is legal way to play, it is clear, no problem.

(At 1/2 final) Holland and Argentina played the same way/same style. Both teams with fear, to open defense, the was no risk. Holland have more skills offensive, but that match played more defense style. So the result was 0-0... and penalty's.

In my opinion Germany deserved win the final and not Argentina.
Because of football-style (way to play). Germany was with more risk and courage.

This is a opinion, not a judgement. It is only my feelings. Everyone can have his own opinion.
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I am a fan of good football.

Croacia I like to see them in 1/8 finals, but the first match the japanese-referee stolen Croacia's success against Brasil.
2014-07-19 03:39:13
Germany was the correct winner. They manage the ball in an excellent way. But, as I always say, its the same make no shots to goal than make 10 shots to the moon, your score will always be in zero :P

In fact, Argentina had the "better"chances. Higuain, Messi and Palacio (and Maxi Rodriguez with less dangerous) had missed incredible one-to-one with Neuer. Germany, before goal, had few clear opportunities (Head of Hummels in the end of first time and the weak shot of Schurle to the Romero's hand). If I don't forget any other...

Also, Argentina play different until 8th finals, with Schweiz. With Belgium, Netherlands and Germany play with more precaution.

Anyway, I think that Germans thought the match should be a bit easy. But it was a really closed match than Germany got the win by a defensive mistake.

Of course, my opinion.
2014-07-19 14:35:18
@FueguinoLoko

correct and neutral analysis [+1]

Yes, some germans think, that will be easy match. I said them, that is not easy. Argentina will fight.
Every match begins 0-0...

And i agree with you, the better clear chances to make a goal had Argentina.

My thinkings/question was, if I look at the way of playing football, of all teams of the world cup, will be Argentina as champion (best team) ?

Because of the way to play, Germany deserved it more like Argentina (in my opinion).
Holland, Colombia, Mexico, Chile . . . would be also a great chamion (if I look to the way of play)

Spain was amazing 2010 (I know, only 1 goal more that opponent).
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So the world cup is over, and I hope the video-prove will introduced (someday).
It is hard to see, how many in-correct decisions was at the world cup.

but Fifa Chief "Blatter" . . .
2014-07-19 15:13:13
He was pushed by one argentinian onto the shoulder of the other agentinian.
Anyway Germany won, who gives a crap what fools like you think. fut
2014-07-20 23:08:13
Argentina with holland Argentina had more clear chances that is not because you say that Holland's offense is better than that of Argentina, in my opinion Argentina's offense is much better than any front in the world, but as if you got all the reason Argentina not have good game, almost no game is all summarized in individuals.
First: I'm Argentine and I have this account this year when i went to visit family and chile opened allà
Second: I'm fan of ffutbol selection and Argentina (here is still much passion colors).
Third: To tell you that it's nothing personal against you, I tell you for the hard work that comes by the German federation investing million for training of "high performance" and their youth more than deserved have won this world (although as Argentino me finds a lot and really hurt a lot) I have 25 years and is the first time I see Argentina in the final and for me it was very exciting and obviously wanted to win the cup but here in Argentina very many rivals and more respected "Germany ", although having reached the final at the Maracana for me Argentina had already won a lot and fulfilled by others, in my opinion, given that no other ungrateful countrymen them was enough, but good ...
What it gave me a lot of anger from many Germans including media, newspapers and news to players despised Argentina.
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2014-07-20 23:47:16
but good to know that there are people like you in Germany reviewer neutrally within the views of each.
I say again it was nothing personal with the Neuer but as overlooked simply remembered and highlighted in the forum, and a neutral opinion, what de Garay was not criminal or accident that jumps wrong Kramer because jumps without look and all I look Garay went to the ball but the ball clearing Neuer yet was knee Higuain's body so that it does not hurt but is hurting the opponent, but hey did not charge anything and Germany went champion that is important
2014-07-22 04:41:11
Argentina with holland Argentina had more clear chances that is not because you say that Holland's offense is better than that of Argentina, in my opinion Argentina's offense is much better than any front in the world, but as if you got all the reason Argentina not have good game, almost no game is all summarized in individuals.

@Vista City
I talk about my opinion. Opinion's are free.
The way to play of Holland was more offense (at this world cup), in relation to Argentina playing style. At the end of world cup, both teams playing nearly the same tactic.

I do not talk about the better striker's. Maybe Argentina have better striker's, but way of play was more defensive (at this world cup, in my opinion).

I do not talk about more clear chances to make a goal.
WAY OF PLAY, I am talking.

At the end of World Cup matches, Holland was very defense+counter (same like Argentina).

Holland began very good (5-1, 3-2, 2-0), and then... every match stops more this way of play, because tactic changing (1/8-final 1/4-final 1/2-final) They made more defense and counter attack, this minimize their offensive skills.

I was wondering, why Holland-Coach "van Gaal" stops the amazing way of play, and began change tactic to defense mode.

after group phase:
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Holland - Mexico 2-1 (with penalty in last second) (Mexico was better)
Holland - Costa Rica 0-0 ... (after 120 min.= 4-3 penalty's)
Holland - Argentina 0-0 ... (after 120 min.= 2-4 penalty's)

(at the 1/8-final 1/4-final 1/2-final) was not such a difference.
Both team-style was defense and counter attack.

after group phase:
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Argentina - Switzerland 1-0 after 120 min.
Argentina - Belgium 1-0
Argentina - Holland 0-0 (after 120 min.= 4-2 penalty's)

Colombia was with the best potential to win the World Cup (my opinion), Germany with more problems at the world cup (Ghana, Algeria)

The fighing spirit of Brasil was great at 1/4 final against Colombia. After Neymar's out, was choque for Brasil and very difficult against Germany.

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2014-07-22 19:32:12
I was wondering, why Holland-Coach "van Gaal" stops the amazing way of play, and began change tactic to defense mode.

The only match in which Van Gaal has not started with a 5-3-2 tactic was against Costa Rica (which was 5-2-3 or 3-4-3), the Spain match was probably the best example of a counter attack win this tournament. The difference between the group stage and knock out stage was that teams grew accustomed to the counter attack style, and opted for similar tactics to curb the danger of Robben. Except for Brazil of course, who, as a result, got beaten easily.
2014-07-22 19:34:05
the most defensive match of Nederland was against Chile...