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Subject: [change] Cheaper Plus

2020-04-21 13:19:40
achmid to All
Given how little the devs prior to the new ones, have put in to the game in the past 8 years, I feel this should be drastically reduced.

I used to be (with my old team before leaving and coming back many years later) a religious plus subscriber, but when I could see it wasn't going towards any further developments, I stopped buying it.

I would be open to paying for plus, even with the current state the game is in, but for a fraction of the price. If the game improves with many of the good ideas here, I'd be happy to pay more.

I am currently a member in From the Pavilion, which has an active dev team, and many more additions for plus users (ie hall of fame, added friendly comps, additional credits which come with your subscription which can be used for name changes, having a second team or extending your plus subscription, added stats and tables for each team and player, comparison of leagues etc.), and it costs a few dollars less than Sokker.

Give its current start, Plus needs to be probably 40% of what it currently is, and if that were the case, I would be much more open to buying plus.

But on a side note, moving forward, Plus needs to remain an option, with any additional features not being game changing. We don't want this game to turn in to Pay-to-Win.
2020-04-21 13:21:05
Plus in sokker is cheapest in all managers I play but maybe 2 different package cheaper and more expensive make sense
2020-04-21 13:38:53
Interesting about it being the cheapest.

It probably shows that once the team is active, and changes are being made, with ideas being discussed and implemented, it's current price will probably be quite fair.

But for what was an inactive team for so long, probably not a fair price.
2020-04-21 13:42:17
yea, maybe 2 or 3 package...and maybe some long term plus discount...if you used it for a long time you get it for lower price....maybe half the price...or some lifetime offer....
2020-04-21 14:11:27
Im agree too, i find "plus" cheap enough for what we get, but its really depend on peoples... Does it worth to play "plus"? WE DONT CARE, paid the price or not (and play for free) because not everyone will be happy until everything get FREE.

Also, im not really very happy too with the "plus" features but i was paying "plus" just to support the game. And i stop paying "plus" for the same inverse reason ! :-)

But maybe a good "deal" (for devs) is 2 plan solution for most of sokker users (buyers) :

1) To support the game, "pay what you want" and get basic "plus" features.
2) get premium access (and really extra useful tools) and pay the price asking for this ! (or not)

2020-04-21 14:11:29
Well, sorry, but PLUS price simply can’t be reduced. Moreover, we have great hope, that with upcoming changes and updates more of you will be able to reward Sokker development with buying plus.

We've just started wide scale development process (and expensive one), after so many years game need to be almost rewritten. Current PLUS incomes can’t afford that, so for now, we need to invest a lot of extra founds to make our project alive.
2020-04-21 14:14:19
juytt to Raul
But what about a more flexible solution (like my proposal) ?
2020-04-21 14:17:54
Raul to juytt
Hard to say for now, we rather focus on improving game options as a first priority - PLUS will be also a part of our work (and for sure there is a place for some adjustments, as well as improving benefits offered by PLUS itself), but we will proceed with that area after closing overall game scope.

So for now, untill game update that part should just stay as it is, we need to focus on improvements:)
2020-04-21 14:56:51
I dont think that plus is expensive. But if it is for some people, they have an option to buy cheaper sokker coins with which they can activate certain parts of plus. But I dont actually know if it is viable or not because I never bought them.
2020-04-21 15:25:56
year plus is best :)
2020-04-21 15:29:37
you have option to buy some coins in plus section ;)
don't know exactly what can you buy with it but there is an option...
2020-04-21 16:01:02
right, i forgive coins for flexible extra options !
Anyone use coins ? :)
2020-04-21 16:17:33
What the correct price for plus is, I don't know.

There will be a right price, where the amount of income is maximal.

That may be very low, so lots of people buy, or very high, so few buy but they spend a lot. Likelihood is it is somewhere in between. But we don't know where the current price sits. My opinion is it sits too high for what has occurred in almost a decade, but others opinions is it is cheap.

Also my proposal isn't necessarily keeping the plus cost low either, just for the forseeable future.

Maybe if you feel the changes will take 2 months to bring in, give a great discount on the 2mth membership, or if you think it will take 6months, give a great discount on that. It's one way around it.

But I also understand everything costs money, and the big rework you are doing would be both time and financially taxing, and we all appreciate it :) I just want to see sokker have a lot of income, with a lot of user happiness, as this will also bring in more income (providing plus isnt free haha).

I also agree though, focus should be on developing the game, not developing plus costs and ways to pay for plus.
2020-04-21 16:22:27
maybe free trial for a week or something for all that do not have plus and new users
2020-04-21 16:28:35
i think they give few day for new users :)

also on christmas day everyone has plus :)
2020-04-21 20:50:00
I remember on 2015, during the economic crisis in Greece (I live since 2008 in Greece), I had problems to pay for Plus, just because thnigs changed in Greece and even 22 € were a problem...

99 PLN(~21,87 EUR) for 1 year PLUS is for some countries very cheap and for some other countries very expensive.

Thanks to technology, one can have different plus subscription price for each country, like Mc Donalds does, for Big Mac (see link for Big Mac Index).

Imho it would be an act of fairness and an act of smart management, if the sokker owner (Gregg) and the developers would adjust the price of plus to each country according to the Purchasing power parity (PPP) (see wiki-link about PPP).

Why fair?
- Because Plus-subscription is expensive for users from countries like Egypt or Turkey, but it´s very cheap for users from countries like Denmark or Switzerland. If Plus-subscription-price is adjusted to PPP, then all sokker nations have equal chances with our beloved game. (Yes, imho, Plus-subscription can be beneficial for a manager, especially if he manages U21 or NT).

Why smart?
- Because it's a concept of making money. It's a win-win situation for sokker-company and for sokker-customers. (And if someone from Switzerland or from Norway thinks it's not beneficial, then he should think how he would feel if there are even less users than now. With the price adjustement, there will be more plus subscriptions in total worldwide.)

I prepared a table, based on the PPP-data of the worldbank, were you can see a potential adjustment of the yearly plus subscription price
(Source of PPP-data: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/PA.NUS.PPPC.RF)