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Subject: [change] Sponsorship between countries
If you were to play Surf manager, I bet sponsors are jumping in Australia!
But it is Sokker, a football game, which obviously isn't a great deal in your country, so I bet sponsors IRL won't be paying as much for 1st division in Australia, as they would in England... It makes perfect sense.
Ok until now, I haven't tried to attack anyone personally, but omg are there any more stereotypes you can throw out?
Fact check: Soccer in Australia has the highest participation of any of our major football codes (it just doesn't seem to attract as much attention financially as our other football codes, and I could probably guess why but won't go into that here).
Let me clarify... I wasn't throwing any rocks of stereotypes here :-)
What I ment was, SOKKER isn't a big deal in your country :-p
So I mean, Australia is smaller in Sokker as it is IRL.
In sokker, you can see Australia a bit like the Norwegian League IRL...
It's much smaller than most other European "Football countries", though a lot bigger in size...
If you really think football is 1 of the biggest sports in Australia, then I really think you can make Australia a far bigger sokker country than it is now...
And with great promotion campaign you might be able to make it as big as Italy at the moment...
We'll never get on the same page concerning sponsorship, but I'll rooth for your country (and all other small countries) to grow exponentially!
But it is Sokker, a football game, which obviously isn't a great deal in your country, so I bet sponsors IRL won't be paying as much for 1st division in Australia, as they would in England... It makes perfect sense.
Ok until now, I haven't tried to attack anyone personally, but omg are there any more stereotypes you can throw out?
Fact check: Soccer in Australia has the highest participation of any of our major football codes (it just doesn't seem to attract as much attention financially as our other football codes, and I could probably guess why but won't go into that here).
Let me clarify... I wasn't throwing any rocks of stereotypes here :-)
What I ment was, SOKKER isn't a big deal in your country :-p
So I mean, Australia is smaller in Sokker as it is IRL.
In sokker, you can see Australia a bit like the Norwegian League IRL...
It's much smaller than most other European "Football countries", though a lot bigger in size...
If you really think football is 1 of the biggest sports in Australia, then I really think you can make Australia a far bigger sokker country than it is now...
And with great promotion campaign you might be able to make it as big as Italy at the moment...
We'll never get on the same page concerning sponsorship, but I'll rooth for your country (and all other small countries) to grow exponentially!
Hey tsolias, are you sure about that?
Yes I am sure. :) When I write something, then you can trust it, because it's based on numbers (and numbers are objectiv)
In your first full season, sponsorship is a high proportion of your income. It's important in paying for coaching staff. Developing young players is expensive.
I fully agree with your statement and I add, that it is expensive especially because of the coaching staff.
You just have to focus only on training for 4 seasons and give your youngsters individual training for more than only 1 match, every week. (Less trainees = more training for each trainee = more skills = more money later! Even 1-2 skills higher can cause 1-2 millions higher market price)
During this time, forget league competition etc. Planing future economics due training has higher priority. After 3-4 seasons of training, some of your trainees can be sold for more than 3 million euro, each one of them.
If you take a look now on transfer market, then you can train smarter and get more than 5 million euro for each one of your trainees. This is the key point, to figure out what kind of skills pay more money. You can figure it out by using the transfer search by attributes, on https://www.sokker-manager.net
Stay on your plan, enjoy the proccess of training, sell on right moment and invest wise your money! ;D
Yes I am sure. :) When I write something, then you can trust it, because it's based on numbers (and numbers are objectiv)
In your first full season, sponsorship is a high proportion of your income. It's important in paying for coaching staff. Developing young players is expensive.
I fully agree with your statement and I add, that it is expensive especially because of the coaching staff.
You just have to focus only on training for 4 seasons and give your youngsters individual training for more than only 1 match, every week. (Less trainees = more training for each trainee = more skills = more money later! Even 1-2 skills higher can cause 1-2 millions higher market price)
During this time, forget league competition etc. Planing future economics due training has higher priority. After 3-4 seasons of training, some of your trainees can be sold for more than 3 million euro, each one of them.
If you take a look now on transfer market, then you can train smarter and get more than 5 million euro for each one of your trainees. This is the key point, to figure out what kind of skills pay more money. You can figure it out by using the transfer search by attributes, on https://www.sokker-manager.net
Stay on your plan, enjoy the proccess of training, sell on right moment and invest wise your money! ;D
Hey tsolias, I agree that the development of young players is a big generator of income and one of the most enjoyable parts of the game.
But I'm not sure the numbers support your assertion that sponsorship is peanuts.
To keep this post short, I'll massively over-simplify this calculation...
Your profit from youth school over the last 5yr is about 125 000 $ per week. And profit from developing players off TL is about the same. I've overestimated those numbers.
I'm guessing your avg weekly sponsorship over the last 5yr is pretty close to that. So I don't think sponsorship income is peanuts.
And remember that a new manager's youth school will run at a loss for the first 6-12 months. Sponsorship during this time is very important.
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But I'm not sure the numbers support your assertion that sponsorship is peanuts.
To keep this post short, I'll massively over-simplify this calculation...
Your profit from youth school over the last 5yr is about 125 000 $ per week. And profit from developing players off TL is about the same. I've overestimated those numbers.
I'm guessing your avg weekly sponsorship over the last 5yr is pretty close to that. So I don't think sponsorship income is peanuts.
And remember that a new manager's youth school will run at a loss for the first 6-12 months. Sponsorship during this time is very important.
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$100 k of difference is almost two local games attendance to a new stadium (3100 benches, $20 per ticket)
But I'm not sure the numbers support your assertion that sponsorship is peanuts.
I will show it in a specific example of a team that was in bancrupcy status (pic on the end)
Your profit from youth school...
I do not speak about youth school. I speak about training of young players, mainly starting at age of 17.
...per week...
This is also something I want to point at. Better calculate per season, in order to have a complete overview. (Or even better calculate for 2 or 3 seasons)
I'm guessing your avg weekly sponsorship over the last 5yr is pretty close to that.
Till now I have tutored (assisted) some few clubs and I also have helped by this information many more clubs in Germany and in Greece to strengthen, firstly their economics and secondly their teams, by this way.
When I speak, I am not speaking strictly about economics of my own club. I speak about facts, that are the same on all clubs.
e.g.:
- Income from sponsors remain at the same levels (between 1 million and 5 million euro, depending on league, wins etc)
- Big increase of income can happen, as I mentioned on prior post, by trading or by training.
On all clubs that I tutored (assisted) on how to increase their income by training, all of them have an average income per season, by selling young trained players, of more than 5 million euro per season (some of them close to 10 million per season!!!). Do you think they care about sponsorship? For them, sponsorship is peanuts... because they know, that their best trainees will be sold for more than 7 million euro, each one of them. (And remember, most of the trained and well sold players were bought very cheap, for far less than 1 million)
I include on this post one pic of the finances of a club, that was in really bad situation. It was on the start of the season and the club was on bancrupcy situation. After 2 seasons and 5 weeks (!!!) the club had:
- Bigger stadium
- Better coaching staff
- Better players
- Better trainees
- 5 million euro to invest in the future
- More fun with the game! ;)
(click again on image, to get it bigger)
I want also to mention that our beloved game is named SOKKER manager...
If one does not manage well his economics, then he can complain about sponsorship, about expensive players, expensive coaches, about bad structure of the game etc.
Me, I prefer the option to see what have people done and now they have money, even if they come from Luxemburg. ;)
I will show it in a specific example of a team that was in bancrupcy status (pic on the end)
Your profit from youth school...
I do not speak about youth school. I speak about training of young players, mainly starting at age of 17.
...per week...
This is also something I want to point at. Better calculate per season, in order to have a complete overview. (Or even better calculate for 2 or 3 seasons)
I'm guessing your avg weekly sponsorship over the last 5yr is pretty close to that.
Till now I have tutored (assisted) some few clubs and I also have helped by this information many more clubs in Germany and in Greece to strengthen, firstly their economics and secondly their teams, by this way.
When I speak, I am not speaking strictly about economics of my own club. I speak about facts, that are the same on all clubs.
e.g.:
- Income from sponsors remain at the same levels (between 1 million and 5 million euro, depending on league, wins etc)
- Big increase of income can happen, as I mentioned on prior post, by trading or by training.
On all clubs that I tutored (assisted) on how to increase their income by training, all of them have an average income per season, by selling young trained players, of more than 5 million euro per season (some of them close to 10 million per season!!!). Do you think they care about sponsorship? For them, sponsorship is peanuts... because they know, that their best trainees will be sold for more than 7 million euro, each one of them. (And remember, most of the trained and well sold players were bought very cheap, for far less than 1 million)
I include on this post one pic of the finances of a club, that was in really bad situation. It was on the start of the season and the club was on bancrupcy situation. After 2 seasons and 5 weeks (!!!) the club had:
- Bigger stadium
- Better coaching staff
- Better players
- Better trainees
- 5 million euro to invest in the future
- More fun with the game! ;)
(click again on image, to get it bigger)
I want also to mention that our beloved game is named SOKKER manager...
If one does not manage well his economics, then he can complain about sponsorship, about expensive players, expensive coaches, about bad structure of the game etc.
Me, I prefer the option to see what have people done and now they have money, even if they come from Luxemburg. ;)
I'm just going to paraphrase something cometer said, that we need to remember in this thread.
This is not about whether or not sponsorship makes up large amount of your income or not, but that there is currently an issue with the way sponsorship is calculated, that gives teams a huge advantage if they are playing in a large user base country, which is not appropriate and not certainly not fair for all users, and acts as one of the barriers for people sticking around or for experienced users in small countries to want to stick around (as they aren't being rewarded/penalised for being a good or bad manager, they are being penalised for being in a small country).
Now it makes a huge difference when a team starts off, because it makes buying these players you say to train, much easier (as you buy for less than 1mill euro, which as shown from my stats posted, many large country new users can get double the sponsorship a small country new user gets, which means they can get these initial players at twice the rate).
So let's just try to remember, this is not about whether or not sponsorship makes up a huge percent of income over the long term, but that the base income (sponsorship) should not be calculated in such a way, that being from a large country means you can access a higher sponsorship much easier, without any need to be a good manager, and change it to a method that is achievable to every player in sokker, regardless of country size.
This way the best managers in sokker get the most money from sponsorship, regardless of their country, and new teams have a level playing field regardless of country size.
This is not about whether or not sponsorship makes up large amount of your income or not, but that there is currently an issue with the way sponsorship is calculated, that gives teams a huge advantage if they are playing in a large user base country, which is not appropriate and not certainly not fair for all users, and acts as one of the barriers for people sticking around or for experienced users in small countries to want to stick around (as they aren't being rewarded/penalised for being a good or bad manager, they are being penalised for being in a small country).
Now it makes a huge difference when a team starts off, because it makes buying these players you say to train, much easier (as you buy for less than 1mill euro, which as shown from my stats posted, many large country new users can get double the sponsorship a small country new user gets, which means they can get these initial players at twice the rate).
So let's just try to remember, this is not about whether or not sponsorship makes up a huge percent of income over the long term, but that the base income (sponsorship) should not be calculated in such a way, that being from a large country means you can access a higher sponsorship much easier, without any need to be a good manager, and change it to a method that is achievable to every player in sokker, regardless of country size.
This way the best managers in sokker get the most money from sponsorship, regardless of their country, and new teams have a level playing field regardless of country size.
But if you'd like to send me $100 every week, for the rest of my life, I'm happy to send through PayPal details, because really, it's not going to be a high percent of my income, but it's certainly nicer getting it than missing out
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Now it makes a huge difference when a team starts off, because it makes buying these players you say to train, much easier (as you buy for less than 1mill euro, which as shown from my stats posted, many large country new users can get double the sponsorship a small country new user gets, which means they can get these initial players at twice the rate).
Ok, from this point of view I agree that starting conditions must be equal for all and it has to be fixed. +1 :)
But if you'd like to send me $100 every week, for the rest of my life
Man, I live in Greece and people are emigrating from Greece to Australia, to make some money... I think for you it's easier to pay 100 $ per week...
Some hard facts: Cost of Living Comparison Between Brisbane and Athens and read the bottom line about "Salaries And Financing - Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax)"...
Ok, from this point of view I agree that starting conditions must be equal for all and it has to be fixed. +1 :)
But if you'd like to send me $100 every week, for the rest of my life
Man, I live in Greece and people are emigrating from Greece to Australia, to make some money... I think for you it's easier to pay 100 $ per week...
Some hard facts: Cost of Living Comparison Between Brisbane and Athens and read the bottom line about "Salaries And Financing - Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax)"...
It may be easier for me, but I still won't say no to you sending me $100 per month.
But maybe you are on to something here, those receiving more (ie from a big country), could pay an extra 15% of bid price if more than 100 users, no change for between 50-100 users, and those with less than 50 users pay 15% less :)
But maybe you are on to something here, those receiving more (ie from a big country), could pay an extra 15% of bid price if more than 100 users, no change for between 50-100 users, and those with less than 50 users pay 15% less :)
+1
Or we could set up a limit, let's say 50 users max by country.
Additional registrations in the countries which already reached the limit would not be allowed.
Of course the downsizing of the countries must happen now by randomly selecting the teams allowed to stay and banning all the others. If the users are not happy with this, I really don't care. They can just quit the game or register in a small country (Australia preferably).
Or we could set up a limit, let's say 50 users max by country.
Additional registrations in the countries which already reached the limit would not be allowed.
Of course the downsizing of the countries must happen now by randomly selecting the teams allowed to stay and banning all the others. If the users are not happy with this, I really don't care. They can just quit the game or register in a small country (Australia preferably).
All proposals to make the sponsorship more even are indeed more than welcome !
Another brilliant idea...
What about moving all polish users to the Australian league ?
Another brilliant idea...
What about moving all polish users to the Australian league ?
And what about the additional tickets incomes you get from playing cup till at least semi finals when you play in a small country such as Australia ?
Weird, in France for the last 3,5 years I could never reach the 5th round, playing friendly games with shitty ticket income after that.
So could you please tell me achmid how much you earned for your last 3 cup games while I was playing friendly games in my medium size country ?
I will then ask the devs to calculate my loss and to give me back this extra money I lost.
Thank you !
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Weird, in France for the last 3,5 years I could never reach the 5th round, playing friendly games with shitty ticket income after that.
So could you please tell me achmid how much you earned for your last 3 cup games while I was playing friendly games in my medium size country ?
I will then ask the devs to calculate my loss and to give me back this extra money I lost.
Thank you !
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Of course you can. These are the last 3 matches at the time of your post, there has since been a final (which if you spent the amount I did in the lead up to, you would have lasted another round and got another 312 500 $ which is why I suspect you didn't ask for this post final) but as per your request I got
128 125 $
153 750 $
43 750 $
And in friendlies I get 81 250 $ to 95 625 $
Whilst I see looking back at the match you lost, you got about 312 500 $, the week before that you got about 128 125 $, and then your last friendly you got about 95 625 $
So sure, let the DEVs distribute the money evenly, I believe this puts you a fair way ahead, plus the bonus sponsorship money you have got for other peoples work during your whole sokker tenure.
Best not to talk about things you know nothing about
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128 125 $
153 750 $
43 750 $
And in friendlies I get 81 250 $ to 95 625 $
Whilst I see looking back at the match you lost, you got about 312 500 $, the week before that you got about 128 125 $, and then your last friendly you got about 95 625 $
So sure, let the DEVs distribute the money evenly, I believe this puts you a fair way ahead, plus the bonus sponsorship money you have got for other peoples work during your whole sokker tenure.
Best not to talk about things you know nothing about
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Now if you've had enough bringing nothing but negativity to the table, I believe Dtox has already warned about that kind of behaviour.
It's funny how hard you fight when I'm not at all talking about taking anything away from you, just making sure the smaller nations are being paid a fair amount in line with other clubs in similar situations, in a way that means the best manager in the game will be paid the most sponsorship and can be the best regardless of which country they are from.
It's funny how hard you fight when I'm not at all talking about taking anything away from you, just making sure the smaller nations are being paid a fair amount in line with other clubs in similar situations, in a way that means the best manager in the game will be paid the most sponsorship and can be the best regardless of which country they are from.
With 41 953 spectators you got 128 125 € in final ? You really want me to believe that ?
And the figures you wrote about my incomes are not correct.
You want more even sponsorship ? So let's take all the incomes into consideration, especially the ones from your cup games, if you really want to find a fair solution for everybody.
And the figures you wrote about my incomes are not correct.
You want more even sponsorship ? So let's take all the incomes into consideration, especially the ones from your cup games, if you really want to find a fair solution for everybody.