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Subject: U21 WCQ Groups rules are not published

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2022-03-20 00:28:57
baloomao to All
For the future WCQ with 98 nations, are scheduled (with some bugs in calendar):

17 groups:
13 groups with 6 nations
4 groups with 5 nations

So i suppose all the first nations and only 15 seconds nations will be qualified for WC but ...
How that will be decided?
Whose two seconds in groups nations will be eliminate?
If it's about points won, it's unfair because some groups will have less matches.
Perhaps some qualificating matches beetween some seconds like irl European WCQ?
2022-03-21 00:44:24
If it's about points won, it's unfair because some groups will have less matches.

Absolutely! It should be so that the points won against the 6th of the group may not count for the final table.
2022-04-04 01:14:10
Another solution, simpler, were to make a qualification match beetween the only seconds into five-team groups (only four groups as well)
The two winners would make the 31st and 32nd qualifiers.
2022-04-04 09:07:29
Group matches should be played over a single match. So the calendar does not get stuck.
2022-04-07 00:40:12
I think best is to use rank and 1 match playoff


1. First of group classify (17 teams)
2. Organize by rank All 2nd positions, first 15 will be local and last 2 will be visitors for play offs
3. Organize by rank All 3rd positions, only first 13 classiffy to play offs as visitors
4. 1 match playoff

khalas....
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2022-04-08 00:25:43
Another solution, simpler, were to make a qualification match beetween the only seconds into five-team groups (only four groups as well)
The two winners would make the 31st and 32nd qualifiers.


That's a good idea. But it has a little problem. The teams in the 5th group are disadvantaged because they don't have the "same" chances as the teams from the 6th group. While a team from the group of 6 knows for sure that they will make it to the World Cup with 2nd place, the team from the group of 5 still has to play through a final match. So, one last decisive game is supposed to decide it and in my opinion that doesn't reflect the overall performance called during the season.

Then I always want to be somewhere in a group of 6...

I think best is to use rank and 1 match playoff

1. First of group classify (17 teams)
2. Organize by rank All 2nd positions, first 15 will be local and last 2 will be visitors for play offs
3. Organize by rank All 3rd positions, only first 13 classiffy to play offs as visitors
4. 1 match playoff[


This is also a similar and exciting proposition. My answer is similar to above. And how will the top 13 teams that finished 3rd in their group be determined?
2022-04-08 00:58:37
ranking?
2022-04-08 06:17:32
I would think that the solution was to play an intergroup game like we did in the Copa America U20, where the teams that had a free date between them played.

Group A
A1 vs. A2
A3 vs. A4
A5

Groups B
B1 vs. B2
B3 vs. B4
B5

intergroup
A5 vs. B5

and the points are assigned in each group
2022-04-09 21:41:34
Number of Countries: 98
6 x 16 = 96

16 groups of 6 teams = 32 teams if number 1 and 2 always proceed to the next round.
2 countries are excluded from the qualifications...

a 2 leg face-off between the end of the WC and the start of the next qualification rounds, based on ranking, can select which teams will not participate...
Number 95 against number 98
Number 96 against number 97

OR

introduce 4 new countries in sokker and have a 17th group of 6.
In this format...the least 2 2nd place teams after the qualification rounds will not proceed to the WC.

Also... If you go by ranking and you make qualification groups or WC groups...
Try to hold ranking into account! Placing numbers 1 and 2 in the same group, f.e. isn't right!

Imo...for qualifications...

Have 6 bowls for the draw with respect for continent AND ranking...

Europe = 47 countries
North and Central America = 12 countries
South America = 10 countries
Asia = 17 countries
Africa = 10 countries
Australia and Oceania = 2 countries

Europe can be divided into 2 groups...
Eastern Europe (23) and Western Europe (24)

Then we make qualification bowls...

North and Central America = 12 = 2 groups of 6
Africa and Australia and Oceania = 12 = 2 groups of 6
South America = 10 = 1 group of 6 (highest ranked) and 4 into rest of the world groups, based on ranking.
Asia = 17 = 2 groups of 6 (Highest ranked) and 5 into rest of the world groups, based on ranking
Western Europe = 24 = 4 groups of 6, divided based on ranking. So the 6 best teams of Western Europe cannot be in 1 and the same group and so on...
Eastern Europe = 23 = 3 groups of 6 and 5 teams into the rest of the world groups based on ranking

Now... rest of the world = 4 + 5 + 5 = 14 = 2 groups of 6 and 2 teams eliminated out of the qualifications, based on preliminary play-offs between the last placed teams.

For WC... the 32 qualificated teams are drawn into 8 groups of 4, based on ranking.
So the 8 teams qualificated, with the highest rank are placed in pot 1, the 8 next into pot 2 and so on...

Then we have 4 pots with 8 teams.

Now the draw for selection of group will be placed.

Teams from 1 pot will never be placed in the same group.
Also...each WC group will contain a team from each pot.

Imo, this is the only right solution for draws and selections.
Now...as it is...you might end up with Poland, Romania and Italy in your WC group. Not ok imo...
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