Subject: Training slowed for "older" players?

Ok... i was complaining about PM training - forget it guys!
Here's the new reality of pace training for a 24 yo talented guy (divine junior pull at age of 20):

PACE +7 :)))))))))))))))))))

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And let's see his talent before, at 20 yo, PM training:

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Just insane!!!!
I was a little demotivated when he did'n pop in pace in 6 weeks... but hey, what about not getting popped in 7 weeks????


This is the best TOPIC for current state of sokker!

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How can you compare pm training at 20 with pace training at 24? They’re unrelatable even under the old system. Pace was always slower than other skills and skills are trained slower the older a player gets. Sure skills probably train a little slower now (something I don’t think many like and I’m also in that category) but you’ve kind of exaggerated it a bit with your example?

My example is perfect for people who do think they will train succesifully pace for "older" players!

Also, mb u don't quite understand the "talent" thing in sokker and just waiting for lucky pops every wednesday, don't you?
Sokker Assistente was predicting pace pop on 6 training... so your "little slower" right now in live example is more than: 2 weeks + 3 general trainings for this kind of player.

By the way, before this beautifull changes in sokker, at 23yo he popped in pace (11 -> 12) after 4 + 7gt.

Really? You’re going that direction in trying to assume I don’t know what talent is after I’ve played the game since 2004-5. That would be like me saying you didn’t know how to set training up properly (and I’m not suggesting that).

Basically all I was trying to get at is that you should be comparing pace with pace under the old and new system if you want an idea of how much slower pace is now to before. Your example for 23 and the 4+7gt would have been a better comparison than comparing to 20yo pm. Better yet, if you had evidence of what your advanced training structure is and how much game time they’re getting compared to before that would also help towards identifying the reduction in training at higher levels.

I said before I don’t enjoy what seems to be a clear slowing of training at higher levels, but there isn’t much point discussing it without using some sort of comparison. Ideally you’d throw in match time played, training page info for advanced training etc as well. Then you avoid most of the isolatable differences from which you might be able to start making detailed assessment.

Just to make things clear.
Mate, look at the first page of this topic, where i was complaining about other very talented player. Also check my club, transfers, results. I hope it will help u to conclude about my game knowledge and experience.

Now, about the "current page" player. U are right, i was little optimist to believe that people won't compare the pace of training of PM at 20yo with pace at 24yo, which is kind a silly.
I noted his junior level and showed his pm training to give u the understanding of his talent!

The most important question for me is if a very good talented player needs more than 7 trainings in pace for rising from 12 to 13, how many will need less talented player or older?

This sucks hard!

Yeah I did. I didn’t realise that this latest post was in direct relation to that because it was a while back. I still agree with you and I think my point still stands. I don’t think you’ll be told what the exact reduction is so only way to do that is to get consistent across more than 1 players worth of data with the same skills and then maybe it will become clearer.

+1. For 1 player - that +4+7 might as well have been +5+6 if he just barely popped and then this pop would take a training less and would look a lot closer while taking the same amount of time for 2 pops together.
Doesnt change the fact that slower training is bad for the game and will be the reason lots of people quit..

Hi,
I have interesting situation and I think it is bug that has to be fixed. I have trained pace for players more than 10 seasons, but had no such situation.
Alvaro Lemmo, 22 year player - 38065408
He has avarege pace. Before sokker training changes his pace level was up afert 2-3 weeks, but now he has already 11 pace training, but it is still average. Is it normal ? I'm training him pace, every week he gets 90-100% training effect., he is playing as Midfield, training is set as Pace. My trainers effectiveness of pace - 94%.
With other players I have no problems with pace training, only with this one.

Is it normal ?
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Is he getting advanced or formation training? Formation training is only ~20% of advanced training.

You can only train 10 players in pace now, with advanced training

ok, did not knew that only 10 players

Training is slow for all players. It was a great idea to speed up the game and slow down the training process and destroy the game. This season - 2 trainings, 0 level ups in "advanced" training. Players are 19-25, their skills that are expected to improve are at levels 6-10, every player had at least 96% of training, the head coach is magical [15] in general, and has 16 levels of coaching in all trained skills and assistant coaches have an average rating of 85%. I don't understand.

Well with 2 trainings it is possible that none of 10 players popped, especially if you train many 20+...

you'd have to give specifics, who didn't jump after how many trainings

Things that can be observed only after years observation devs must share .
To be clear what I'm saying you can't wait your player to become 27 and figure out that training after specific age is slow down if that is the case..
I also think training is slowed for all but is much visible for old players than young ones
I keep an talented 18y and will use him as testing purpose but I will have to wait a lot to figure out ..

24 yo is broken for sure.

Borkos players from »Future NT stars (U21) NO ADS are OK! 18-20yo.

Also my player, 21 yo, seems ok too.









So the nightmare comes after 22yo.. maybe 23, maybe starts with 24.
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It starts with 23 for sure… i have top talented guys popping to 12 pm in 5 weeks… ot allready +7 pace and no pop to 14

This devs are trying to kill the game, i don’t find other explanation