Subject: Let's vote on who gives a fuck about Poland's Ekstraklasa and lo

Please give us your opinion regarding the changes based on Polish needs.

Thank you.

I dont give a fuck about Polish Ekstraklasa but I also dont know what are You talking about
moreover, your topic was cut in the middle, can you fix it?

There was a lack of characters.
Never had experienced that before.

I wrote ".. and lower leagues".

I have a feeling that Raul and Co. are making decisions pure based on what happens in Polish fucking Ekstraklasa.
I will elaborate on that directly to Raul in other topic.

There are 6 voters who do care, and I will respect that.
I won't be Raul and interpret voting as 20 don't give a fuck and go with that to make further decisions.

Xdddddddd whats wrong with U ? Xddd
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if you believe that these changes are good for Ekstraklasa then you don't know shit about playing at top level in Poland

no, people don't like it here

no, the changes are not good for Ekstraklasa teams

Then I was wrong and I am truly sorry.
So, we are all doomed..

Game should be pleasant for all so that been said we should care for all top division including ekstaklasa. It's a fact I personally check it cause that's the strongest or one of strongest division and you want to learn from best ...

Nope, but the changes are "less bad" for Ekstraklasa and the rest of Poland.

Just like the changes have been the worst for Cameroun and Ghana

Nope, but the changes are "less bad" for Ekstraklasa and the rest of Poland.

which changes do You have on Your mind?

because majti talks about the recents ones I think... and the bigger/better team you are, the more they will hurt you.

top teams have highest stadium income and best players [=highest wages]
if you cut the stadium income and increase the wages then who will get hurt more, teams from Ghana or Ekstraklasa?

Changes I have in mind are the 12 team league structure.

As far as the rest goes. Stadium Income from what I have seen are only being brought back in to line with how it was, so everyone will suffer the same % decrease.

The wages are to slow the out of control inflation which have been most taken advantage of by the top teams, so whilst they may take the biggest hit, that is on the back of having the biggest push forward out of everyone

As far as the rest goes. Stadium Income from what I have seen are only being brought back in to line with how it was, so everyone will suffer the same % decrease.

...which means that those earning most will lose more than the rest

The wages are to slow the out of control inflation which have been most taken advantage of by the top teams, so whilst they may take the biggest hit, that is on the back of having the biggest push forward out of everyone

...which means that those paying most will lose more than the rest

so as I've said, they will be hit the most from all countries = these are not "changes for Polish Ekstraklasa"
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yes agree its a change against to those that compete and try to play fair in all competitions which was exactly the opposite of what was announced sokker was aiming ..

what about trying to force people to not keep more than a specific amount of money and give us opportunities to spend that money on facilities or in players instead making people suffer and reducing their squads ...
i think because some people have money in their accounts they just make prices high on the market
also problem is that market is not stable you can buy pretty much same player on way different price those are main issues not few milions more in every user. money get power when they are collected in one accunt not in hundred small accounts :(

So your argument is that everyone should cop the same decrease? Sure why not, lets drop everyone 250 000 $. That way new teams come in broke, and the top teams don't even notice it gone.

You keep saying they will lose more than the rest, but you forget to realise, they have been given more than the rest for 16years. So even with the changes, it will take 16years to put them on even ground with everyone else. Once that 16years is up, come back and start complaining as finally by then, it will be a negative to the top teams
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You cannot place starting teams on par with teams who have been building their team for 16 years.

But I feel that wage increase for top players can only be applied when:

1) ME is adjusted so top players will also play like top players
2) form is adjusted so top players in low form don't play like 19y old trainees
3) The game interface is adjusted so it actually makes sence to play for prices, and thus to buy (own) top players.
4) NT matches played will provide advantage to the player and actually makes sence, not like the arcade formula they are talking about.

So Imo, the wage adjustment doesn't make sence at all! There are numerous options to create far better money sink options than this!
They need to keep the ''play to win'' attitude as a drive to their thoughts and plans for the future, and not go random insert weird options.

So your argument is that everyone should cop the same decrease?

my argument was very clearly written at the end

"as I've said, they will be hit the most from all countries = these are not "changes for Polish Ekstraklasa""

To be honest, all of the changes matter.

First of all, they "interpreted" the voting as we wanted the changes.
I am sure we didn't, but they decided to do what was the best for Polish fucking Ekstraklasa and community.

My reckoning is they saw what lucasddd did with 10 5*17 players and decided to go soft.
That is another part where I blame fucking Ekstraklasa in relation to all of the sokker world.

Then they shortened the season, which was good considering dynamics and future new users wanting to have more action.
In reality there were and still are no new users.

There goes the part to small communities having to play ridiculous seasons and all of that which I am not going to get into.

By shortening the season they took away 3 weeks of training per season to every future trainee.
Counting injuries it's more like 35 trainings lost per their sokker youth.

If they ever leave YS as top 17-18 yo.

More likely they will be 19 or even 20yo.
And we see them being paid much more than before.

Afterwards they have tried to shorten our training even more, which we had stopped, thanks to our effort.

There is the part where I state there is lack of top players and I think of mids.

Now is the time to mention ME.
Without changes and with lowering the skills, games will be awful.

Awful to watch!

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They wanted to make new teams progress faster.
There were many ideas, which were not implemented..

I am not sure if they had better season income in their mind, I think they did,
40% more 11/13 vs 7/16 and all of that.

Which is not real, let me get to that later.

If they haven't been considering it I really think they did.
Probably hoping that we will use the money to buy depth instead of getting stronger.

They failed.

So, one person with enough money paid one player a bit over the expected sum, knowing there is a lack of top players in the future, and the hell goes loose.

There was the influx of money, not from tickets nor sponsors.
Which are bollocks.

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So there it is.
We all lose.

Except for fucking Ekstraklasa who play deep into their Cup and earn at least 375 000 $ from tickets.