Subject: [change] Calendar for International Cup

The distribution of matches now for clubs eliminated from the international cup is disruptive.
Match day: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday (for those who have a reserve team), and Wednesday.
Rest: Thursday, Friday, Saturday (except NT).
The fact that the national cup and the subsequent friendlies were moved to Monday has unbalanced the calendar. There are two solutions to overcome this:
1. Schedule friendlies for teams eliminated from the International Cup for more fairness for eliminated clubs.
2. Return to Friday for National cup and the subsequent friendlies,

in order to avoid these three blank days. even if I prefer the soluton 1 because I don't like some privilèges that unbalanded the report between the teams

Not worth considering 2.

But you really CANNOT do without the friendlies after your International Cup run ends. You increase your roster to play in the cup and then what are you supposed to do with those extra players in the less appropriate part of the season? Not to mention, where does your weekly fun Sokker game go? You still have an incentive to stay in the cup because of the attendance fees.

These Friday friendlies are already there in the off-season so it must have been an overlooking not to have them start in the regular part! Introduce them and the sooner the better.

Friday friendlies.

You can play an Arcade game. People don't use their "first team roster" in friendlies anyway, at least they shouldn't so that argument doesn't make sense.

The owners are against adding a 2nd friendly because it would mess up the game. 2 friendlies = very easy training for every team in the game, which would totally change the game - everyone at top level would be able to profit-train 16yo players for 98-100% every week while getting top money from league tickets, sponsors etc. Now there is a certain balance - at top you get better money, at low level it's easier to train and make money on training and there is a natural exchange of teams at the top. This would be totally ruined.

Another issue they have is that people would then consider IC as a training place for "safe 16yo training" and that's not what they want.

So now it's a compromise. You can get some training from IC, but only for 6 games, then you are eliminated if you just train there. Otherwise people playing seriously would be at a big disadvantage (they would play A team in IC + league so they would not be able to train young players and make money). IMO there is 0% chance of friendlies after IC.

Borkos007, your input really, really needs thinking over. It's confused and contradictory.

You only have 2 friendlies per week if you're NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE CUPS ANYMORE. Which works for the weaker teams, right? The better-performing get paired against the weaker ones too so that they have a reward too. And like I already pointed out, in the cup you still have your superior attendance figures not to consider dropping out. So you get to pick - more money or a more thoughtless conduct.

if you have 2 friendlies per week, then your developing members are entirely served in one and a half of them, so the remainder of the collective time is used by your senior participants, whose form likes minutes too. So there.

If you're a team like Baragajul of Indonesia, then you can afford playing your LEAGUE games with complete rookies and still win and save your best suit for the International Cup, and meanwhile a team like ours has to be more prudent. So there are multiple reasons to really introduce the friendlies on Friday.

Also, you fail to see the symmetry between the International and domestic cup too. One friendly and 22 minutes in the league/International cup and your 16-year-olds are served with a 96% efficiency.

To make money from selling players you have to have TEAMS WHO WILL ACTUALLY BUY. Where are these teams getting their funds from? Prizes, gate receipts and sponsorship. Why should they buy players? Because someone might come across better ones, and not because they cannnot afford to train their own.

Also, if the drop-out teams are to be incentivized to sell the players to those teams who remain in the cups, then because the numbers don't match, there will be seasonal pricing imbalances of an extent yet unseen.

Friday friendlies. You have Saturday for the arcade.

Yes I Agree with Omur.

@ Borkos007 Now there is a certain balance - at top you get better money, at low level it's easier to train and make money on training and there is a natural exchange of teams at the top. This would be totally ruined.
Please stop favoring the top teams; with the current system you are giving training and enormous revenues with this international cup in the final phases. Already, the amounts of revenue from friendlies are lower, so compensation with training would be only a miserable but necessary justice. The current system disadvantages small teams and players who are starting out; how do you expect to keep players if you don't give them the means to evolve? Don't be surprised if new users leave Sokker.

You're not responding to what I wrote.

You only have 2 friendlies per week if you're NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE CUPS ANYMORE

and owners don't want that due to reasons that I already wrote. 2 friendlies = 98%/100% training guaranteed without need to play in league.
doesn't matter if "it works for weaker teams". it's too easy for big teams.

and it in fact wouldn't work good for weak teams because bigger teams would enter the youth player market more and push the weak/poor further down the picking order.

And like I already pointed out, in the cup you still have your superior attendance figures not to consider dropping out. So you get to pick - more money or a more thoughtless conduct.

you make much more money on training than from tickets, invalid argument.

if you have 2 friendlies per week, then your developing members are entirely served in one and a half of them, so the remainder of the collective time is used by your senior participants, whose form likes minutes too. So there.

that doesn't matter. obviously more friendlies would make the game easier. that's literally the reason why I told you it won't happen and you're telling me that... it will be easier and better.

Also, you fail to see the symmetry between the International and domestic cup too. One friendly and 22 minutes in the league/International cup and your 16-year-olds are served with a 96% efficiency.

obviously. and big/strong teams can't use youths in league / IC (if they want to progress). that's why they can't train effectively and it's made on purpose. again, I don't see what's your argument here. you're not responding to what I wrote.

To make money from selling players you have to have TEAMS WHO WILL ACTUALLY BUY. Where are these teams getting their funds from? Prizes, gate receipts and sponsorship. Why should they buy players? Because someone might come across better ones, and not because they cannnot afford to train their own.

again, what's your point here, what does a 2nd friendly have to do with it...? again what you write makes no sense in this conversation

Also, if the drop-out teams are to be incentivized to sell the players to those teams who remain in the cups, then because the numbers don't match, there will be seasonal pricing imbalances of an extent yet unseen.

and how does an extra friendly change that...? nobody needs extra players for friendlies when they are going to be used for training of youngsters, again a pointless argument

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again:
don't argue that it's going to be better / easier for teams because I know that and that's the reason why they DON'T want to add 2nd friendly

- they don't want to make the game (training) so easy
- they don't want to allow top teams (with top sponsor/ticket income) to also be able to make money on 96-98% easy training every week because that would unbalance the game and make top teams able to stay at top all time

Please stop favoring the top teams;

lol, sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about

your idea to give an extra friendly would be exactly the thing you are against - it would massively favour TOP teams because they would be getting top sponsor money, top ticket money and would also be able to have top training every week easily so they would be able to play with 80+ team and still easily train 16yo players for profit

you are asking to help top teams stay at the top and make much more money, you just don't realise what you are asking for :D

with the current system you are giving training and enormous revenues with this international cup in the final phases

no, you are NOT giving training to big teams with current system, because to qualify from group they can't train youngsters - if someone trains youngsters he doesn't qualify to next rounds. so it's either no training and playing for results or training for 6 weeks. for everyone.
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so? you are ok the see users quit sokker.

what kind of argument is that :D. and you're ok with kids being hungry and crying.

Don't be surprised if new users leave Sokker.

new / poor / low level users already can easily train for 96-100% young players every week. adding 2nd friendly won't help them in any way, in fact it would be VERY bad for them.

the ONLY advantage new / low level teams have is easy training. and you want to take their only advantage away from them and allow everyone to train easily.

you're literally asking to make the game for new / low level teams much worse than now.

either you don't realise that or in fact you just want to make the game easier for you, because you already have good players, money and now you just want to get results in league / cup and get easy training for your youngsters without using them in league games.

There isn't an entity BUYING your players out which isn't a club. AND the players you buy also come from CLUBS. It's not a perfect tracker fund inflated zero, because clubs can fold and delete some money from the game, but still - each time there is a wealthy club involved in buying, there's someone who's getting a superior return selling. So the argument about making "more" money from selling is invalid. If all the superior teams are training their own then who's buying their trainees at superior team rates? The richer teams don't get a keener insight into how players are developing and only a fraction of the game is mapped up the "tools". National managers do see more and can share the data, but that's a different story. Maybe this relentless fog is the issue.

Also, there's only so much you can do with money here. The team or the stadium. And you can't place bids on players not on the list. The 16-year-olds may be picking stuff up quickest, but they only have potential. Their 21-year-old versions have potential AND ability so their prices remunerate both.

If you fancy the idea of getting entrenched at a top LEAGUE, why would you think differently about a CUP? Because it's more volatile? The cup seedings are as real as league tiers, and if the rewards are not, then maybe they should be made to be.

About what weak teams are getting. Without the Friday friendly.

A 3-game week.

Meanwhile are the well-off getting a 4-game week, and they are STILL are training players. WHILE also using them.

And if they're from a nation which has 2 teams and 10 bots in the top league, anything goes.

You probably think the silly corner-hugging friendlies make much difference, if you scroll about you'll see injuries in them, because the contact injuries are actually a minority. I have played my youth in all my league games so far and somehow there are teams faring worse, and the players didn't get injured that much.

So superstition only gets you so far.

Friday friendlies.

There isn't an entity BUYING your players out which isn't a club. AND the players you buy also come from CLUBS. It's not a perfect tracker fund inflated zero, because clubs can fold and delete some money from the game, but still - each time there is a wealthy club involved in buying, there's someone who's getting a superior return selling. So the argument about making "more" money from selling is invalid. If all the superior teams are training their own then who's buying their trainees at superior team rates?

you really don't get how this game works

you make money on 16-18yo players, profit is not made on selling to top teams at their peak, top teams either train their own from scratch or buy fully trained players

the profit is made on training youngsters, which you can easily train in low leagues, not at top level, because using them in league would make top teams lose. but you give them 2 friendlies - they can easily train youngsters. which means they would a. increase prices of youngsters, b. push smaller/poorer teams down in order of buying youths and so on.

and the point is not that they would do it better (although they already DID it better and that's why they are at top and others are poor or weak)

the point is that now they are not able to do that and if you allow them to do that then:
a. they become close to unreachable (you can make up to 20-25m euro profit every seasons if you know what you are doing, most people don't)
b. they push weaker / smaller teams out of market of good youths (if suddenly xx-xxx new teams with 10 training slots appear in the market then the prices go up, rich/small teams then can't afford as good youths as they can acquire now)

Also, there's only so much you can do with money here. The team or the stadium. And you can't place bids on players not on the list. The 16-year-olds may be picking stuff up quickest, but they only have potential. Their 21-year-old versions have potential AND ability so their prices remunerate both.

and NONE of that matters when they are played only in IC / 2 friendlies a week as you want. nobody cares about their abilities. money is made on training 16-18yo players and finding out & proving their good talent. there's nothing more to that.

as for there's not much to do with money - LOL. give top teams a way to earn money on training (as you wish to do) and they will be able to stay at top for 2 times longer than now. you don't know what you are talking about, lack of training profit money is the only thing that weakens top teams at this point.

If you fancy the idea of getting entrenched at a top LEAGUE, why would you think differently about a CUP?

what the hell are you talking about

a. I'm not for teams staying at top all time, apparently you are since you want to help them do that
b. if they are training for profit thet CANNOT stay at top / qualify in IC, in fact they would go down in most cases, so what's your point here because I don't see one

Meanwhile are the well-off getting a 4-game week, and they are STILL are training players. WHILE also using them.

for fuck sake, third time I'm writing that... to play in IC further you need to qualify from group, to qualify from group you have to use 1st team, if you use 1st team you are NOT training

and if you are training older players and qualifying then they are already a-team players that already get or could get full training from league games, you can't go above 100% training

the ones getting "profit" training for youngsters from IC are eliminated already, people who still plan in IC (50% of all this week, 25% next week etc.) are using their first team, not trainees

And if they're from a nation which has 2 teams and 10 bots in the top league, anything goes.

if they are, they they get shit money from sponsors / tickets and most of their games are pointless, nothing to envy them

You probably think the silly corner-hugging friendlies make much difference, if you scroll about you'll see injuries in them, because the contact injuries are actually a minority. I have played my youth in all my league games so far and somehow there are teams faring worse, and the players didn't get injured that much.

again, what does that have to do with anything? you are just spitting out things that have nothing to do with the conversation and again you STILL haven't even tried to answer to what I wrote, despite so many letters that you used

so, AGAIN:

don't argue that it's going to be better / easier for teams because I know that and that's the reason why they DON'T want to add 2nd friendly

- they don't want to make the game (training) so easy
- they don't want to allow top teams (with top sponsor/ticket income) to also be able to make money on 96-98% easy training every week because that would unbalance the game and make top teams able to stay at top all time

if you cannot find a direct answer to that then just stop writing non-connected nonsense about injuries, safe tactics and "relentless fog" and "mapping tools"
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Borkos, though I agree with most things you say in this topic, try to compress your posts. They look like books. Too much information just discourages others to read the post, or even continue the topic matter. Don't feel obliged to respond to each and every thing you disagree on and if you do, stick to the point. One can say discouraging people to respond is one way to win an argument. But I don't believe it's your way. I do agree on 2 friendlies being wrong in this game for obvious reasons like freebies for training young players. On the other hand, having a youth competition mixing all U21 players with the youth academy, having their own competition, would be a nice addition to the game. However, fixing the log out and log in bugs are still persisting after countless bug reports and never fixed, so an update like that might be asked waaay too much?