Subject: Divorzju! Taboo f Pajjizna!

ktibt fil qasir haha

quddiem il ligi ma jibqawx flimkien quddiem il knisja ija ^^


u min ma ikunx mizzewweg bil-knisja ? x jaghmel jaqleb ir-religjon ?

bil mod qabel ma taghmel reply ax bi zball afast send xd

Unlike divorce, a legal separation does not put an end to the marriage. During a legal separation, you have a court order that outlines the rights and responsibilities of each spouse while they are living apart. You remain legally married while choosing to live separate lives. Issues that can be addressed in a separation agreement are division of assets and debts, child custody and child support, visitation schedules and spousal support.

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u int ghandek joe! lol

fortunatament forsi veru , imma li ghandi qedin ghal uliedi u mhumiex biex inpaxxijhom la lil gvern jew lil xi ex ex ex ras kbira li fil-familja kellu 3 annulament u issa jigi jitkaza bi divorzju meta fil-familja tieghu ghandu 2 uliedu li ghadew l-istess milli ghadejt jien .... da zgur li il-knisja itulhom mil-ewwel li ma immursx jidher ikrah quddiem il-poplu jew ghax inkellha ma ikunx jista jghmillha proboganda sew fuq il-mezzi tax xandir


John bandi darba qall wahda tajba ,qed (nghixu f'pajjiz tal-mickey mouse u li ahna pupazzi nimarcjaw )

SFORTUNATAMENT din l'issue tad divorzju spiccat ballun politiku iehor bhas soltu.Ahna poplu injurantissimu u dejjem indahku in nies bina.

Min hu laburist favur id divorzju u min hu nazjunalist kontra id divorzju.Minix ha nimpresjona ruhu billi hemm 2 fkull partit li twemmin tahhom hu kontra il partit tahhom pero il magguranza qed bhall ma qed najd jien.

Kif jista bniedem li mandux bzonn divorzju jiehu decizjoni al dak li andu bzonn id divorzju.Adni qatt ma smajt b'persuna li hija separat tajd kontra id divorzju.Dawk in nies li huma separati biss jistaw jitkelmu ax dawk jafu minn xiex jaddu.

Min ra REALTA fuq ONE ilbierah induna b'dak kollu li qed insemmi jien.Raprezentat tal PN programm shieh jaqa an nejk u ma jafx x'se jaqbad iwiegeb.Imma ax Gonzi qallu LE AD DIVORZJU, miskin dan mar u dahhak Malta bieh ..........

F'gieh Alla li hemm fis sema ta, idahlux il knisja u lil Alla fin nofs.Jekk dak li jaqqad Alla ma jhasru hadt alfejn inholoq l'annulament.Mu qeda imkien fil bibja li jissemma l'anullament .Madankollu id divorzju mandu x'jaqsam xejn mal knisja.

Jien haga najd lil dawk in nies li jdahlu l'Alla fin nofs biex minalijom ha jerbhu largument.Tahsbu li kieku Alla qijad fostna in persona u nohdulu quddiemu mara li kienet tigi imsawta u li ragel tahha telaqa bit tfal u lil Alla nsaqsuh jek din andiex tiprova tibni hajja mill gdid forsi issib limhabba u il kuntentizza, XTAHSBU LI KIENET TKUN IR RISPOSTA TA ALLA ?

Ejjew ma nkomplux indahku in nies bina iktar.Jek int kontra id divorzju andek kull dritt pero mandu dritt hadt li jajd xinu lahjar al dawk in nies li iz zwieg tahhom tkisser.

BTW Jien bniedem mizzewweg u li mandix bzonn id divorzu pero favur u sejjer nivvota IVA

alfejn inholoq l'annulament?

domanda ta 100 points din my friend!!

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prosit shearer nice argument +1

Fl opinjoni tieghi dan l argument li huwa importantssimu ghas socjeta spicca f argument bla sens.

Nibda jien nemmen li kull kwistjoni li jkun hawn f dan il pajjiz ikun hemm xi hadt li jkollu nteressi personali.nahseb illi forsi meta niehdu id decizjoni jekk naqblux jew le hawn minn l sentiment ta religjon jaffetwah hafna, personalment nemmen illi meta jien tlajt fuq l artal u zewigt u ghedt li niehu l mara fit tajjeb u fil hazin etc etc ax kont nemmen fli qijad inwieghed, issa irilevanti jekk ha noqodu nsemmu ax alla ma qalx hekk u cucati minn dawn ahna morna il knisja minn jedna u hadt ma gelna,issa tghidu dan xi qaddis jew hekk le xejn affatu anzi nghid jekk alahares qatt ez l mara taqlibili nahseb li ma nasalx nahfer

jien ghalhekk nemmen li bhal kull haga ohra li jsir f dan il pajjiz issir mghagla u bla sens.ghalfejn lil Hazin ghadna intuh l istess drittijiet daqs il vittma? jien ma din ma naqbilx

nemmen li divorzju xieraq ikun illi l hazin ma ghandux jinghata cans li jirrovina ta haddiehor, u meta qed nghid divorzju mhux li kopja jidivorzjaw ghal kull haga ta xejn kif qed jigi propost imma jrid ikun hemm certi kriterji.

haga ohra bhal ma ghedt aktar qabel interessi personali, fatt magharud li fil parlament hemm numru kbir ta avukati u dan xi jfisser jekk jidhol id divorzju aktar xoghol u flus ghalijom.ma nistax ma nsemmix li Ramon jista jifhimni tajjeb meta dahlet il ligi li arrestat ikun assistit waqt l investigazzjoni, nibda biex insemmi li din giet ippumpjata minn avukat fil parlament li ovjament kellu nteressi u x gara dahlet il ligi u hija farsa shieha ma hawnx mezzi biex tahdem

u l istess ser jigri bid divorzju mela l qorti kulhadd igerger li hemm hafna xoghol b lura u bid divorzju ser izzidu.barra l kazi ta divorzju ha jkun hemm bizibilju fuq mantenimenti ax issa meta persuna tidivorzja u terga tizewweg dan ha jkollu jmantni 2 nisa ghax ma nahsib li l ex mara ha tkun bela biz zejjed li ha toqod tahdem bil ktieb ta xol, u li ha jigri ir ragel mhux ha jkun jista jhallas dawk l ispejjez kollha u hafna kazi l qorti u anki habs tista tehel fuq manteniment

nispicca billi nghid LE dan id divorzju kif qed jigi proponut huwa divorzju bla sens, jien minix lest li taxxa tieghi ghal kapric ta hadtiehor tidberbaq hekk, divorzju serju ghandu jkun illi minn jizbalja irrid ihallas hu u mhux il cittadini jhalsu ghalieh bl ispejjez li jitfaw fuq l stat. Din il ligi ha tkun froga ohra bhal ma nafu naghmlu ahna l maltin

ghandek id dritt tahseb hekk habib...mhux necessarjament il punti tieghek haddiehor ghandu jaqbel maghhom. Anzi qed narhom hafna punti biased politikament u ha nghidlek ghaliex ukoll.

Fl opinjoni tieghi ghedt hafna u ma ghedt xejn.

Kif inhu proponut anzi huwa responsabli ghax jekk ma tkunx ilek 4 snin separat min ma martek ma tistax tiehu id-divorzju.Kif inhi il ligi bhalissa tista tiehu is separazzjoni ghanki l ghada li tizzewweg!

Rigward tal qorti u mhux qorti bla sens xorta ghax still bis separazzjoni iddahhal avukat irrelevanti tehux separazzjoni jew tehux divorzju...issa jekk il qorti taghna ghajjiena u tan nejk dik ma ghandix teffetwa fuq decizjonijiet tac cittadini.

Rigward manteniment, again, bis separazzjoni still trid thallas il manteniment tat tfal. So l argument tal manteniment dont stand at all. Il manteniment kollox l istess ha jibqa irrelevanti jekk ikunx divorzju jew separazjoni.

Billi meta izzewigt hadt ma gelni ma jfissirxi li ghoxrin sena wara mara jew ragel li xebaw flimkien gahx iz zwieg taghhom ma rnexxiex ma ghandhomx jibdew hajja gdida.

Dik id-diferenza bejn separazzjoni u divorzju li separazzjoni ma tistax terga tizzewweg bil ligi imma trid tpoggi bilfors u divorzju ghandek oportunita li quddiem l istat terga tidher li qed tghix bhala familja u tizzewweg.

Jekk inti kattoliku prattikant sa fejn naf jiena Gesu qal jekk taqla daqqa fuq wiccek dawwar wiccek in naha l ohra so kif jekk taqlibielek il mara ma tahfriliex? Mela katolliku meta jaqbillek biss? Gesu hafer lill min qatlu! u int ma tahfirx lill martek li qalbitielek? Mela you re not living what you're preaching!
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l ewwel haga ma nafx ghala qed tghid ghala biased politikament ghax jien ma naqbel xejn mal pn u tmexxija tieghu u zgur mhux ha nidefendih

2 responsabli titlaq il mara ghal xejn b xejn ? ahna ma ghadna qatt mikunparaw id divorzju ma separazzjoni

3 il qorti b separazzjoni tista issir ghand avukat bi ftit spejjez divorzju le trid tiftah kawza l qorti etc etc

4 manteniment, qed tinsa li ragel irrid imantni l mara wkoll jekk din ma tistax jew ma tahdimx plus fejn toqod etc, jekk tissepara trid tmantni mara wahda u wara tista tpoggi ma 100 mara u titlaqom ax ma ghandek l ebda obligi lejhom( li ma naqbilx ukoll ) jekk tidivorzja 5 darbiet hemm il possibilta li trid tmantni 5 nisa + tfal jekk ukun hemm

jien imkien ma ghedt li jien xi kattoliku kbir jew xi qaddis u ghedt li jekk taqlibili l mara ma anfx x naghmel imma li hu zgur li nara l interessi ta tifla l ewwel.

nerga nghidlek jien mhux kontra divorzju kif inhu proponut,

int taqbel li kopja jitilqu lil xulxin ghal xejn b xejn?

taqbbel li ragel maniac terga ittih li jizewweg?

taqbel li ragel jew mara li jabbuzaw jinghataw cans iehor?

jien ma naqbil. Naqbel li l vitma biss ghanda tinghata dan ic cans

allura la ahna daqshekk open minded u naghtu cans lil hadiehor naghtu dritt lil gays jizzewgu u jaddotaw

1) Mela tajjeb jiena nissepara u il hamsa l ohra li kont poggut maghhom nhallijhom cicci beqqi! Hekk at least min jerga jizzewweg a) ha jahsibha darbtejn b) jekk ha jiehu it tieni divorzju ha jahsiba miljun darba u c) ha jikkometti ruhu ghal xi haga mhux ipoggi jaghmel it tfal u x hin irid jaqbad u jitlaq bla tirbit ta xejn!

2) Din li koppja jitilqu lill xulxin ghal xejn b xejn ma nafx min fejn gibtha! Jekk int kuntent mal mara jekk jidhol id divorzju ha tghid.......ara ghandi id-divorzju ha nitlaq lill Mara! boq x argument hu dan? U jekk ma jidholx min qabzitielu il mara jew qabbizielu ir-ragel x jaghmel...mhxu xorta qed iddabar rasu? Allura int qed tippromwovi il pogguti sewwa?

3) Separazzjoni jew le still trid tmantni lill uliedek anki jekk mintix mizzewweg trid tmantni lill uliedek rigward tal mara fis separazzjoni sa fejn naf jiena kif qal Joe ......meta tiehu is-separazzjoni inti il partner tieghek tirrinunzja ghal beni....bid divorzju l -istess haga ha tkun sa fejn naf jiena. Li tmantni it-tfal naqbel maghha ghax tissalvagwardja lill ulied. Ilmanteniment tat tafl ghandu jkun dejjem irrelevanti hux divorzjat, separat, annulat etc

4) Rigward iz zwieg bejn il gays ...hija naqbel...ala le. Ragel irid jizzewweg ragel...jaghmel hu....ghaliex la jhobb ragel ma ghandux ikollu l istess drittijiet quddiem il ligi bhal ma ghandi jiena u il mara? Ma nahsibx li qam filghodu qal "ara jiena irrid naqalaw f sormi" so ma nahsibx li hija l ghazla tal individwu li ragel ihob ragel jew mara thobb mara. I am sorry imma mohhkhom wisq maluq li tassocjaw il gays mas sess biss u qatt ma taraw li forsi dawn ghandom sentimenti bhali u bhalek. Ghalura ghax minoranza niddiskriminawhom? ghax hekk qed tghid int! Rigward addozzjoni dik hija xi haga suggettiva u diskutibli u hemm sa certu punt ma naqbilx anqas jiena pero li jizzewgu anqas biss ghanda tkun diskussa!

Rigward min jabbuzza u min le u min ghandu jinghata cans u min le...ma ghandix inkun jiena la li niggudika u wisq anqas li niddeciedi.....Nahseb ghandu jarah il partner il gdid tal individwu u mhux jiena! Jiena min jien bie niggudika lin nies?


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naqbel 100% mieghek man fuq id drittijiet li ma naqbilx fuq haga wahda illi l hazin ma ghandix intih cans iehor.u mhux jien niddeciedi minn hu l hazin imma l qrati.

forsi bix xol tieghi naf hafna aktar minnkom x imbarazz aw fis socjeta u kemm hawn irgiel u nisa li jghixu biex jingannaw lil hadtiehor u nerga nghid le ma naqbilx li jinghatalom dan ic cans

rigward gays mela le u zgur li naqbel li jergaw jizzewgu imma hadt ma kellu l bajd li jiproponi dik il haga f dan il pajjiz.

ghala qabel ma giena l hsieb ta divorzju ma dahhalniex sistemi biex koppja qabel tizzeweg tkun taf ghal xiex diehla?

jekk veru irridu l gid tal familji mhux imorru fuq tv u nghajtu bid drittijiet li nerga nizzewga u nikonsolidaw il familji meta dawn l istess nies hassru l familji maltin bit taxxi u kundizzjonijiet ta xol ghax dawk huma l veru inkeit fil familji.

jien ma jien hadt biex niggudika kull ma ghedt nghid l opin jioni tieghi pero ma nistax nifhem kif il gvern ax hu hemm ma talab li jsir studju fuq l impatt etc

u mela haga senzittiva bhal din tista tohlom filghodu u tfattar bicca ligi biex tghid ghandek ligi

ilna ma nafx kemm il sena minghajr divorzju nistennaw ftit xhur ohra u l affarijiet issiru bil ghaqal.

kieku kont naf kemm kienu ser jintafsu keys u jinkitbu volumi anqas kont nifthu dan it topic lol

Min hu laburist favur id divorzju u min hu nazjunalist kontra id divorzju.Minix ha nimpresjona ruhu billi hemm 2 fkull partit li twemmin tahhom hu kontra il partit tahhom pero il magguranza qed bhall ma qed najd jien.

shearer ghandek zball fija din mhux sa barra imma ghandek zball xorta wahda , jien naf hafna nazzjonalisti li ser jivotaw iva ghad-divvorzju u naf hafna labour li ser jivvotaw le .... so fuq din ma naqbilx mieghek sa barra

Vera li Dr. fenech Adami qied jaghmel min kollox biex igiba isue politika ta imma sa issa nahseb il-hsib tieghu ghadu limitat

ara quot ta EFA dan qallu ricenti

Stand up and be counted – EFA on divorce

It is time for Catholics to stand up and be counted on the divorce issue, former President Eddie Fenech Adami said today.

Speaking at the University Chaplaincy in an activity organised by the Għaqda Studenti tat-Teoloġija, Dr Fenech Adami, himself a staunch catholic, said it was unacceptable that religious arguments in the divorce debate were dismissed a priori.

He did concede, however, that these arguments could not always work, when for example discussing with someone who was an atheist, and said that believers should try to understand their interlocutor’s milieu.

He also continued in line with the bishops’ pastoral letter for lent, and said that this was an opportunity to re-evaluate the family and build a new family culture.

Dr Fenech Adami also mentioned Pope John Paul II’s and Pope Benedict’s teachings on the theology of the body, which present the human being as body and soul united as one, and who, through sexuality, could live their vocation to love. Sexuality, these days, has been debased, and the church restores dignity to this aspect of human existence, Dr Fenech Adami said.

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