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If it's not a lie then show it to me.
And why not a philanthrope? Because that's pretty unrealistic to hope for. It's Sokker, a game, nothing more. It's not some WWF organisation doing good things for animals all over the world. It's just a game. Why would someone spend thousands of euros buying a game only for fun? You can hope for a philanthrope, but I rather be realistic.
hard working people? that money which I used for plus was not easy made and I really regret spending it. I got nothing, only bad emotions and such people like you only make it worse.
And this last sentence is what it is all about, you have bad emotions and now you are posting your shit on the forum. It's all about you and everyone must know, no, everyone must even feel the same as you do.
why would you do that and go against us?
You really don't understand you and some others are making it all even worse with your behaviour? Me and a lot of others are still having fun playing Sokker, and this is what you are trying to ruin. Now it's clear that you are the problem? It's not me posting my shit on the forum, or others who still have fun with Sokker, it is you and some others who post their shit! You don't like it anymore, just leave and let others have their fun. Find a new game you do like to play, much better for everyone :)
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And why not a philanthrope? Because that's pretty unrealistic to hope for. It's Sokker, a game, nothing more. It's not some WWF organisation doing good things for animals all over the world. It's just a game. Why would someone spend thousands of euros buying a game only for fun? You can hope for a philanthrope, but I rather be realistic.
hard working people? that money which I used for plus was not easy made and I really regret spending it. I got nothing, only bad emotions and such people like you only make it worse.
And this last sentence is what it is all about, you have bad emotions and now you are posting your shit on the forum. It's all about you and everyone must know, no, everyone must even feel the same as you do.
why would you do that and go against us?
You really don't understand you and some others are making it all even worse with your behaviour? Me and a lot of others are still having fun playing Sokker, and this is what you are trying to ruin. Now it's clear that you are the problem? It's not me posting my shit on the forum, or others who still have fun with Sokker, it is you and some others who post their shit! You don't like it anymore, just leave and let others have their fun. Find a new game you do like to play, much better for everyone :)
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We are protesting against our country president Greg which hardened our living conditions and you are army general and command army forces to kill all protesters. And you say if you don't like this country - leave. That is what this dramatization looks like.
Eeuuhh ... I'm talking to a grown up, right? And we are talking about Sokker, a football manager game?
Eeuuhh ... I'm talking to a grown up, right? And we are talking about Sokker, a football manager game?
Im not talking about a decline in users, but a decline in plus users while there was a litte upgoing in member base...... i still have fun playing this game, but therefore i am not limited to not saying my opinion and so is the others too not.... and you as a staff member recommending people just leave is absurd...
Total userbase - plus members
may 32728.....2853
now 33856.....2582
so dont come around and say the ads are working to get money.....
may 32728.....2853
now 33856.....2582
so dont come around and say the ads are working to get money.....
I don't know what these numbers mean. Did (most of) these managers stop paying Plus but still active, or did they stop paying Plus and quit Sokker? And are these 100% acurate numbers? Why did they stop paying for Plus? Maybe without the Plus ad even less managers would have been Plus managers by now ..... etc etc :)
You can interpret numbers in many ways, also how it suits you best, which can be completely different from the real situation ;) Sokker should do way more surveys so the opinion of (ex)managers is known, instead of guessing and free interpretations.
and you as a staff member recommending people just leave is absurd...
I'm not telling ordinary managers to leave, I'm saying this to a specific group of people who hate this game and are trying to ruin the fun for others. Yes, they should leave, yesterday if possible!! Nothing absurd about that. People who hate this game but still login every day, even a couple of times a day to post their shit, that's absurd :/ So talk to the right managers if you want to call people absurd.
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You can interpret numbers in many ways, also how it suits you best, which can be completely different from the real situation ;) Sokker should do way more surveys so the opinion of (ex)managers is known, instead of guessing and free interpretations.
and you as a staff member recommending people just leave is absurd...
I'm not telling ordinary managers to leave, I'm saying this to a specific group of people who hate this game and are trying to ruin the fun for others. Yes, they should leave, yesterday if possible!! Nothing absurd about that. People who hate this game but still login every day, even a couple of times a day to post their shit, that's absurd :/ So talk to the right managers if you want to call people absurd.
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you are telling to leave - you don't agree with delay, do not tell anyone how to help to stop this stupidity, just be quite or quit...
long yime this game should have enough money, enough users... No development was done. Users start to leave, 3D was done (perfect solution), but users left even if. So let's to pay for it. No attempts to gain more money from advertisement (did you realized that internet is living from advertisement and for example facebook is all the time for free?). Here is wuite a lot of place to use advertisement, but someone should care if he/she wants money. But it is more easy to push users to pay. So I will tell - do not pay, I hope soon they will wake up and start to gain money from corporation (advertisements) and not from users in this stupid way. Yes, introduce something new, allow it only for PLUS users (after few months or years for everyone). Do not stop something old just because you are not able to gain money from something else... This is at least high school of economy or business, maybe master degree. Now it is done like in elementary school with basic math - lower users, lower money. Users are watching matches, they will pay not to wait. And if 10 seconds is not enough, 1 minutes will be. If not 5 minutes will help. If not, lets try 10. Simple math. Lets read at lest basic course of economy, you will really find that it is not working...
long yime this game should have enough money, enough users... No development was done. Users start to leave, 3D was done (perfect solution), but users left even if. So let's to pay for it. No attempts to gain more money from advertisement (did you realized that internet is living from advertisement and for example facebook is all the time for free?). Here is wuite a lot of place to use advertisement, but someone should care if he/she wants money. But it is more easy to push users to pay. So I will tell - do not pay, I hope soon they will wake up and start to gain money from corporation (advertisements) and not from users in this stupid way. Yes, introduce something new, allow it only for PLUS users (after few months or years for everyone). Do not stop something old just because you are not able to gain money from something else... This is at least high school of economy or business, maybe master degree. Now it is done like in elementary school with basic math - lower users, lower money. Users are watching matches, they will pay not to wait. And if 10 seconds is not enough, 1 minutes will be. If not 5 minutes will help. If not, lets try 10. Simple math. Lets read at lest basic course of economy, you will really find that it is not working...
and for example facebook is all the time for free?)
Eeuuh, this is the reason why populair websites like facebook earn a lot of money from ads: Facebook hits 1 billion users a month
Do you really think Sokker makes a lot of money with those few hits on ads from non-Plus managers? Plus income is much more important for Sokker. I don't know what the income is from ads for each click, ask a website owner, but it won't be a lot per hit. Here are some numbers: Website Ads are Not a Revenue Stream for Startups
And for the other part of your text, all has been discussed on the Linguist forum in the past. You should have used your staff possibilities. Here you won't reach the DEVs.
Eeuuh, this is the reason why populair websites like facebook earn a lot of money from ads: Facebook hits 1 billion users a month
Do you really think Sokker makes a lot of money with those few hits on ads from non-Plus managers? Plus income is much more important for Sokker. I don't know what the income is from ads for each click, ask a website owner, but it won't be a lot per hit. Here are some numbers: Website Ads are Not a Revenue Stream for Startups
And for the other part of your text, all has been discussed on the Linguist forum in the past. You should have used your staff possibilities. Here you won't reach the DEVs.
just one remark - linguist forum is not accessible for tutors... ;)
and I was trying to discuss this first in tutor forum, but also there noone from responsibles care
so as I told - noone is listening
so as I told - noone is listening
Unfortunatly, communication from DEVs is a problem. Many have tried to convince them to change this as everyone would gain a lot with better communication, no results so far.
so let's push him with strike ;)
trying to change him in good is not working, so put the knife on him neck. If he will not listen, then cut...
My approach is this knife... Shoot me, if you can :D
trying to change him in good is not working, so put the knife on him neck. If he will not listen, then cut...
My approach is this knife... Shoot me, if you can :D
I dont think they hate the game, i think they dislike changes been made, and are arguing against them, because they at once loved the game..... But i still think it is absurd you as staff say they should quit instead of let them being heard....
And yes those numbers should be rather accurate, you can see more about it here... : http://online.sokker.org/forum_topic/ID_forum/1261/ID_topic/2970063/pg/0#new
And the only thing being made in the meanwhile from devs have been arcade matches and ads.... sry to say, but i dont believe it is the arcade matches made people not buy plus..... its a rather short period of time the 300 less plus users is from, so it is a good guess it has something to do with it, but of course it is guesses, but with info to do the guesses on....
And the only thing being made in the meanwhile from devs have been arcade matches and ads.... sry to say, but i dont believe it is the arcade matches made people not buy plus..... its a rather short period of time the 300 less plus users is from, so it is a good guess it has something to do with it, but of course it is guesses, but with info to do the guesses on....
guys, don't mind on Charly! don't waist your time on him! he just a troll.
Unfortunatly, communication from DEVs is a problem. Many have tried to convince them to change this as everyone would gain a lot with better communication, no results so far.
Not DEV's, only Greg!
Not DEV's, only Greg!