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Sure, if the situation is always clear and correct, but what give us the security that somebody get advantage from this possibility and stole/destroy the full team of somebody else after he have been enter in the trust of another user?
well, if he destroys my team, it's my fault.
But I'm a 100% sure, that if I'd chose a user to "replace" me for some weeks, he would not abuse anything.
Man, not all the users are evil and want to cheat...
well, if he destroys my team, it's my fault.
But I'm a 100% sure, that if I'd chose a user to "replace" me for some weeks, he would not abuse anything.
Man, not all the users are evil and want to cheat...
If I'm going on long holiday it would be nice that someone take care of my account once a week, but than is very hard to put the line between cheating and little help, so only way to make that line is to forbid it at all
... I hope I wont get banned for talking such things here, but...
I would like to ask you a question:
When other countries came to Sokker, why wasnt it restarted?Polish players had been trained, so that they would have hyper talents and have two trainings a week, stadion building costs were very low and so were wages, totaly unfair comparing it to other nations which had to start from zero, with no hyper-super players. Why wasnt it?
Offical answer is that many people had spent much time already. Yes thats a nice answer and all, offcourse they had done it. But was it really all? Cause it seems to my stupid mind that in reality Greg wanted the Polish NT to be the strongest. Just because he is human and likes his country. Its his game, who can judge him?
But now we, the nonprivileged have discovered that there is a big foul play, actualy we have been s******. Our admins would have banned us for buying players on other accounts, but Polish users seem to get away with it. Yes, it is an outrage, se cant why can they?!?! Five punctionmarks for god sake!!!!!
This post is getting long and isnt going anywhere. And currently it seems to me, that the situation which will happen will look like this: Some admin will say that, yes its very bad we will certinaly punish who will do it again in the future, but that was a long time ago, nobody really cares eh?(:P)
Or a moderator will say something similar. I really dont belive any of the Poles is going to get punished, only perhaps that "mysterious" user A who was honest enough to admit it.
That wise user who said, " this is the only way to change things!" then it isnt, only way anything changes is when Greg decides so.But in reality that "small favouring" will go on and nothing will change. Thats life.
I would like to ask you a question:
When other countries came to Sokker, why wasnt it restarted?Polish players had been trained, so that they would have hyper talents and have two trainings a week, stadion building costs were very low and so were wages, totaly unfair comparing it to other nations which had to start from zero, with no hyper-super players. Why wasnt it?
Offical answer is that many people had spent much time already. Yes thats a nice answer and all, offcourse they had done it. But was it really all? Cause it seems to my stupid mind that in reality Greg wanted the Polish NT to be the strongest. Just because he is human and likes his country. Its his game, who can judge him?
But now we, the nonprivileged have discovered that there is a big foul play, actualy we have been s******. Our admins would have banned us for buying players on other accounts, but Polish users seem to get away with it. Yes, it is an outrage, se cant why can they?!?! Five punctionmarks for god sake!!!!!
This post is getting long and isnt going anywhere. And currently it seems to me, that the situation which will happen will look like this: Some admin will say that, yes its very bad we will certinaly punish who will do it again in the future, but that was a long time ago, nobody really cares eh?(:P)
Or a moderator will say something similar. I really dont belive any of the Poles is going to get punished, only perhaps that "mysterious" user A who was honest enough to admit it.
That wise user who said, " this is the only way to change things!" then it isnt, only way anything changes is when Greg decides so.But in reality that "small favouring" will go on and nothing will change. Thats life.
as I said:
in special cases it's quite easy:
if the tactic is always the same and no transfers are made...
AND: don't forget that cheaters imho don't ask admins for things like that...
they join the game, play it for a few weeks, get another team etc.
in special cases it's quite easy:
if the tactic is always the same and no transfers are made...
AND: don't forget that cheaters imho don't ask admins for things like that...
they join the game, play it for a few weeks, get another team etc.
i think that their groupmates are very happy to compete with another person...really???
They compete against him: it's his tactic, his formation, his training and his substitutions and his win/lose.
It's just set by someone else.
They compete against him: it's his tactic, his formation, his training and his substitutions and his win/lose.
It's just set by someone else.
AND: don't forget that cheaters imho don't ask admins for things like that...
they join the game, play it for a few weeks, get another team etc.
That's not true. There are a lot of cheaters that play for a long while first of being discovered...
they join the game, play it for a few weeks, get another team etc.
That's not true. There are a lot of cheaters that play for a long while first of being discovered...
My point of view about this problem and suggestion of possible solutions
- Rules should have plain meaning and should be same for everyone and the !exactly! same in all languages, no different translations are possible. They shouldnt be written in case that anyone could get any advantages by abusing their weaknesses. This should be punished as well as abusing of bugs !
- People should be allowed to log-in into another users account only in very special cases, it should be restricted and recorded every time - i would see that like in cases of longer inactivity or NT assistants could log-in to make tactics and players (1st solution). Log-in into someone´s account while he was active in less than about 14 days ago (to protect from log-ins in purpose to buy player from market, etc.) should be punished and shouldnt be allowed (except of Nt).
- It si forbidden to transfer any player between teams that use the same IPs or that log from the same computer – in every case breaking of this rule should be punished, doesnt matter if those teams had the same ip while the transfer was done, the only important fact is that they had ever shared the same IP address. These problems could be solved by (2nd solution)
- Results of admin´s proceedings should be published and with given reasons. Accused of crime should get place to defend himself in every case (very important !). While there are no evidences about cheating, user cannot be banned.
1st solution - NT assistants should be able to make tactics and set players for NT matches but they could be played only with agreement of NT coach - except of case when NT coach is inactive
2nd solution - User A wants to buy player from user B .. (list of IP addresses user A ever had and the same list for user B, if there is any matching IP address - Outbid button for buying players should be inactive then) – I think this could prevent from many problems and make admins job much easier.
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- Rules should have plain meaning and should be same for everyone and the !exactly! same in all languages, no different translations are possible. They shouldnt be written in case that anyone could get any advantages by abusing their weaknesses. This should be punished as well as abusing of bugs !
- People should be allowed to log-in into another users account only in very special cases, it should be restricted and recorded every time - i would see that like in cases of longer inactivity or NT assistants could log-in to make tactics and players (1st solution). Log-in into someone´s account while he was active in less than about 14 days ago (to protect from log-ins in purpose to buy player from market, etc.) should be punished and shouldnt be allowed (except of Nt).
- It si forbidden to transfer any player between teams that use the same IPs or that log from the same computer – in every case breaking of this rule should be punished, doesnt matter if those teams had the same ip while the transfer was done, the only important fact is that they had ever shared the same IP address. These problems could be solved by (2nd solution)
- Results of admin´s proceedings should be published and with given reasons. Accused of crime should get place to defend himself in every case (very important !). While there are no evidences about cheating, user cannot be banned.
1st solution - NT assistants should be able to make tactics and set players for NT matches but they could be played only with agreement of NT coach - except of case when NT coach is inactive
2nd solution - User A wants to buy player from user B .. (list of IP addresses user A ever had and the same list for user B, if there is any matching IP address - Outbid button for buying players should be inactive then) – I think this could prevent from many problems and make admins job much easier.
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don't quote just a part of the answer, it's not fair.
Finally we are talking about cheating and please once again tell me what you think is cheating of the situation I mentioned.
Nothing, right?
Finally we are talking about cheating and please once again tell me what you think is cheating of the situation I mentioned.
Nothing, right?
as I said:
in special cases it's quite easy:
if the tactic is always the same and no transfers are made...
AND: don't forget that cheaters imho don't ask admins for things like that...
they join the game, play it for a few weeks, get another team etc.
so you want to say that anytime that admins see that someone log from same IP have to check tactics, transfers...
And if I know I can do it I will do it few times a week like many others and admis will have to much job to do
in special cases it's quite easy:
if the tactic is always the same and no transfers are made...
AND: don't forget that cheaters imho don't ask admins for things like that...
they join the game, play it for a few weeks, get another team etc.
so you want to say that anytime that admins see that someone log from same IP have to check tactics, transfers...
And if I know I can do it I will do it few times a week like many others and admis will have to much job to do
That's not true. There are a lot of cheaters that play for a long while first of being discovered...
How do you know??
How do you know??
well, if he destroys my team, it's my fault.
Sure, but there's the possibility that i'm noob and i get scummed just only cos i trust in somebody, there 's no any reason to allown even 1 only of this case as possibility
But I'm a 100% sure, that if I'd chose a user to "replace" me for some weeks, he would not abuse anything.
Maybe only somebody known personally by yourself can give you this security and still i keep some dubious
Man, not all the users are evil and want to cheat...
Yes, not all, but a lot of them
Sure, but there's the possibility that i'm noob and i get scummed just only cos i trust in somebody, there 's no any reason to allown even 1 only of this case as possibility
But I'm a 100% sure, that if I'd chose a user to "replace" me for some weeks, he would not abuse anything.
Maybe only somebody known personally by yourself can give you this security and still i keep some dubious
Man, not all the users are evil and want to cheat...
Yes, not all, but a lot of them
You say it right, and I agree with you!!!
I like your solution
I like your solution
But, to propose a solution to this problem: Couldnt Sokker Dev team make an Account sitting mode?
So that the person who is on a holiday would select an user as his/her account sitter and the sitter could:
Take the ready youths from youth school and check that the next game would be with players who can actualy play (not injured and so on...) Nothing more, because nothing more is actualy needed.
Edit: And Darren has also great suggestions!
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So that the person who is on a holiday would select an user as his/her account sitter and the sitter could:
Take the ready youths from youth school and check that the next game would be with players who can actualy play (not injured and so on...) Nothing more, because nothing more is actualy needed.
Edit: And Darren has also great suggestions!
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I've a friend who plays sokker for one year, and he loved the player i am selling, buy he can't buy it because we 've shared my computers...
But polish people can do whatever they want with their teams?¿??
doesn't make sense to me :S
But polish people can do whatever they want with their teams?¿??
doesn't make sense to me :S
Maybe only somebody known personally by yourself can give you this security and still i keep some dubious
I know some guys personally and I would bet a lot that they won't do anything else.
Why should they do so?
Man, not all the users are evil and want to cheat...
Yes, not all, but a lot of them
that's your opinion.
I don't know any Swiss or German user who was banned and played for more than a year...
But maybe in Italy it's different, I don't know.
I know some guys personally and I would bet a lot that they won't do anything else.
Why should they do so?
Man, not all the users are evil and want to cheat...
Yes, not all, but a lot of them
that's your opinion.
I don't know any Swiss or German user who was banned and played for more than a year...
But maybe in Italy it's different, I don't know.