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Subject: Junior - good to solid
You're discussing my assumptions. Well, I can tell you why.
1) Greg confirmed that 17.999 is max
2) Have you ever seen a player that was higher than divine+2? Let alone higher than divine+3? I don't think so. For your idea to be true, it most probably should have happen already. But it hasn't, not one single player was even divine +3 (for your theory to be true they should reach divine +4) from the millions and millions of pulls we've made al together already. So, what you state is very unlikely.
Let's focus again on the reasons why now :)
1) Greg confirmed that 17.999 is max
2) Have you ever seen a player that was higher than divine+2? Let alone higher than divine+3? I don't think so. For your idea to be true, it most probably should have happen already. But it hasn't, not one single player was even divine +3 (for your theory to be true they should reach divine +4) from the millions and millions of pulls we've made al together already. So, what you state is very unlikely.
Let's focus again on the reasons why now :)
10 x 3 week pops in a row? when did this happen?
iv heard of 7 in a row, no proof seen, although trustworthy sources, but never heard of 10!
also max starting talent is assumed to be close to 7.2 from what iv heard..although personally i have no idea
iv heard of 7 in a row, no proof seen, although trustworthy sources, but never heard of 10!
also max starting talent is assumed to be close to 7.2 from what iv heard..although personally i have no idea
This happened in Poland a few weeks ago. I have seen the prove, I think Borkos can tell us where it came from and show it?
Yes, I've heard a lot of stuff as well, but what we've heard isn't good enough here. This is about proving theories. I also believe that it is somewhere near 7.2. BUT, this is impossible for juniors entering the youth school as good 34 (that is what this theory proves). So, one theory is that with lower weeks the beginskill can be a bit higher.
I repeat:
So, what does this mean?
This can mean a lot of things, things I would like to invite you guys to discuss about:
- there is a difference in the maximum beginskill for players with Y weeks to go.
- the talent curve is NOT linear
- ??? you tell me
Yes, I've heard a lot of stuff as well, but what we've heard isn't good enough here. This is about proving theories. I also believe that it is somewhere near 7.2. BUT, this is impossible for juniors entering the youth school as good 34 (that is what this theory proves). So, one theory is that with lower weeks the beginskill can be a bit higher.
I repeat:
So, what does this mean?
This can mean a lot of things, things I would like to invite you guys to discuss about:
- there is a difference in the maximum beginskill for players with Y weeks to go.
- the talent curve is NOT linear
- ??? you tell me
well, why it should be so unlikely? First thing, I guess progress rate of 0.323529412 skill/per training is possible only with Youth coach at 16.999 (I'm quite sure coach like that doesn't exist having in mind that general skill of a coach is most probably an average value of his skills)... So, You can try to calculate chances to have a perfect trainee (entering school with maximum entering skill and best possible talent having 34 weeks left) + best possible coach. It's far from impossible something like divine +3 wouldn't happen already. imho, max skill entering the school is 7 + value of one extra maximized training so it would give a value of 7.323529412.
One more thing... Do You think minimum possible skill is 0,0 and the match engine is adding some value to the original skill when calculating the game?
One more thing... Do You think minimum possible skill is 0,0 and the match engine is adding some value to the original skill when calculating the game?
i had assumed tragic was already 0.0... has anyone ever had a tragic with 2 identical pops though? as in 4 weeks to hopeless and 4, or even 3 again to pop after that?
that would prove starting at 0.0 was possible
more importantly though, good 34 having max of 7.0 you think..? what about if talent was the variable for the max skill then..?
that would prove starting at 0.0 was possible
more importantly though, good 34 having max of 7.0 you think..? what about if talent was the variable for the max skill then..?
One more thing... Do You think minimum possible skill is 0,0 and the match engine is adding some value to the original skill when calculating the game?
I don't understand what your question is.
I'll come back to your other comment later, have to go now :)
I don't understand what your question is.
I'll come back to your other comment later, have to go now :)
I've been posting pops of mine good 34 junior in this thread, so we could calculate his progress.
His pops were 3 3 4 3 3 4 3 3 3. Now he is unearthly +1, with 4 weeks left.
He could become divine +2, but most likely he will be divine +1; with my magical coach.
Also, I have been looking at some of mine own juniors that came to school as good. Conclusion is that all of them who popped to solid after 3 weeks had talent below 4, all of those who popped to solid after 4 weeks had talent above 4 and below 5, etc. Mine coaches were brilliant or magical.
Also, there is a lot of other data which are the same as these mentioned above.
According to all of this, their initial skill can't be 7.0, which is already proven somewhere in this thread.
His pops were 3 3 4 3 3 4 3 3 3. Now he is unearthly +1, with 4 weeks left.
He could become divine +2, but most likely he will be divine +1; with my magical coach.
Also, I have been looking at some of mine own juniors that came to school as good. Conclusion is that all of them who popped to solid after 3 weeks had talent below 4, all of those who popped to solid after 4 weeks had talent above 4 and below 5, etc. Mine coaches were brilliant or magical.
Also, there is a lot of other data which are the same as these mentioned above.
According to all of this, their initial skill can't be 7.0, which is already proven somewhere in this thread.
good 34 and his first pop was 3 weeks?
that proves that they have at least some subskill at 34 weeks...
also take into account coach isnt max level...
at talent of 3.0909 (best seen so far) that means that player had a minimum of 7.03 starting skill, and im assuming that talent was with unearthly coach :)
that proves that they have at least some subskill at 34 weeks...
also take into account coach isnt max level...
at talent of 3.0909 (best seen so far) that means that player had a minimum of 7.03 starting skill, and im assuming that talent was with unearthly coach :)
Don't really have time lately for any decent discussion, sorry ;)
Especially as it doesn't really matter...
Especially as it doesn't really matter...
Don't really have time lately for any decent discussion, sorry ;)
Especially as it doesn't really matter...
Agree - it doesn`t matter. At least you said it before me. I didn`t want to barge in before. Between all those "mathematical posts" my simple post would have seemed stupid.
Guys you are thinking too much, just play the game.
:)
Especially as it doesn't really matter...
Agree - it doesn`t matter. At least you said it before me. I didn`t want to barge in before. Between all those "mathematical posts" my simple post would have seemed stupid.
Guys you are thinking too much, just play the game.
:)
well, it does :) There are conflicting theories which are both based on facts. This should matter to you. Do you have the 10x 3 weeks popper for me?
edit: same for Vilpu. If you don't mind, then just stay out. Don't tell us (me) what to do or don't.
I'm a bit disappointed by the fact that, except Majti and xanthos, no one has discussed anything of my post. Maybe it seems a bit mathematical, but this was as clear as I could make it. Point is that it proves that 34 week goods can't be above 7.0 (taking into consideration what we know), but this conflicts with the 3 week good-solid poppers theory. So, the real question is: how is this possible?
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edit: same for Vilpu. If you don't mind, then just stay out. Don't tell us (me) what to do or don't.
I'm a bit disappointed by the fact that, except Majti and xanthos, no one has discussed anything of my post. Maybe it seems a bit mathematical, but this was as clear as I could make it. Point is that it proves that 34 week goods can't be above 7.0 (taking into consideration what we know), but this conflicts with the 3 week good-solid poppers theory. So, the real question is: how is this possible?
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Gaudin to JonaJoga6 2009-10-08 07:09:47
sad to see this age :/
Lew Szumanowski, age: 20
club: FC Chełmek, country: Polska
value: 778 000 zł, wage: 9 500 zł
very good form, tragic tactical discipline
adequate stamina hopeless keeper
excellent pace poor defender
excellent technique very good playmaker
excellent passing good striker
divine junior with talent 3,0!! (10 pops in youth school after 3 weeks!)
I don't really see the conflict there. Maybe I'm blind or I misinterprete greg's statement. He said superdivine is max, but it is also in "normal" skills. So why a divine+4 (superdivine+1) shouldn't be possible then. Of course this additional training wouldn't improve him, so his skills will be equal to a divine+3.
So I guess you see that statement by greg as a "you can't possibly reach a skill above superdivine with even the best junior, perfect circumstances etc., even if the skill-ladder is endless"?
So I guess you see that statement by greg as a "you can't possibly reach a skill above superdivine with even the best junior, perfect circumstances etc., even if the skill-ladder is endless"?
agree.
for me it's a good explenation
@Kasim
why we didn't seen divine +4 yet?
because propability of good junior for 34 weeks with max talent with max unearthly coach (wage 60 100 $) is very very low even for so huge population as we got here imo
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for me it's a good explenation
@Kasim
why we didn't seen divine +4 yet?
because propability of good junior for 34 weeks with max talent with max unearthly coach (wage 60 100 $) is very very low even for so huge population as we got here imo
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