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ME seems to need some tweaking but it's coming along nicely
in my last game I won 1-0
Shots were 5-1
Everything checked out pretty well. Could've had a few more shots though if the strikers ran in straight lines to the goal instead of weird angles lol
in my last game I won 1-0
Shots were 5-1
Everything checked out pretty well. Could've had a few more shots though if the strikers ran in straight lines to the goal instead of weird angles lol
Do these active teams use different tactics or still the same as last season? And do they even change tactics or always just the same every week? And also, tactics that worked out great in the old ME isn't a garantee it will work as good with the new ME.
As I said, the active users are preoccupied, even if they don't change tactics every round, they adjust it from time to time. I change tactics every match, and I don't do it randomly but I've had made tactics for every of my opponents, and not one for each but more....I have about 90 tactics on the editor. So I can see if my opponents are doing well on tactics or not as I always was preoccupied of this aspect: yes, they are good on it.
Take your quote from the bot team's point of view: he never changes anything, the others are aware of doing something against them, last season (when the team started to be bot) they send him to the bottom of the ranking.....this season everything changed, the bot team revived !
I know the answer and it's not in what you said/asked. Not the active teams are to blame, the difference appear from somewhere else. Now the capability of some players is cut/penalized too much, I mean that some basic football moves/action like simple passes or quite crossing/finalizing shouldn't be taken on the whole scale of the random the engine is using now. The basic moves of football, lets say those of the football common sense, should be done by every player almost in the same way regardless of their form and skill level, they almost never should have been done in fail which means 0, 1, or 2 level brought by the random. When you have to give a simple and quick 10 meters pass with no opponent interfering in your way.....so this should be made....and other these kind of basic football moves.
Now they are penalized too much, you struggle more to take advantage of the opponent tactics weaknesses, the engine stops you taking advantage of it. Until now I could use the free spaces/loops on the opponent's tactics, now I cannot use them as my players don't have speed anymore, my actions are cut before the last pass.....the bot team get advantaged of it, I cannot catch them on the counterattack, the game become a kind of a ping-pong game and this is in their advantage, the bot teams faces better the active teams with the new changes.
I've got an opponent always playing with 3 dispersed defenders, even if he put two defending midfielder in front of defenders, he always could have been caught on the counterattack.....not now anymore.
So I can see how the new changes favors the bot team, at least in my league.
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As I said, the active users are preoccupied, even if they don't change tactics every round, they adjust it from time to time. I change tactics every match, and I don't do it randomly but I've had made tactics for every of my opponents, and not one for each but more....I have about 90 tactics on the editor. So I can see if my opponents are doing well on tactics or not as I always was preoccupied of this aspect: yes, they are good on it.
Take your quote from the bot team's point of view: he never changes anything, the others are aware of doing something against them, last season (when the team started to be bot) they send him to the bottom of the ranking.....this season everything changed, the bot team revived !
I know the answer and it's not in what you said/asked. Not the active teams are to blame, the difference appear from somewhere else. Now the capability of some players is cut/penalized too much, I mean that some basic football moves/action like simple passes or quite crossing/finalizing shouldn't be taken on the whole scale of the random the engine is using now. The basic moves of football, lets say those of the football common sense, should be done by every player almost in the same way regardless of their form and skill level, they almost never should have been done in fail which means 0, 1, or 2 level brought by the random. When you have to give a simple and quick 10 meters pass with no opponent interfering in your way.....so this should be made....and other these kind of basic football moves.
Now they are penalized too much, you struggle more to take advantage of the opponent tactics weaknesses, the engine stops you taking advantage of it. Until now I could use the free spaces/loops on the opponent's tactics, now I cannot use them as my players don't have speed anymore, my actions are cut before the last pass.....the bot team get advantaged of it, I cannot catch them on the counterattack, the game become a kind of a ping-pong game and this is in their advantage, the bot teams faces better the active teams with the new changes.
I've got an opponent always playing with 3 dispersed defenders, even if he put two defending midfielder in front of defenders, he always could have been caught on the counterattack.....not now anymore.
So I can see how the new changes favors the bot team, at least in my league.
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gont generalize - maybe bot teams tactic is just good for new ME?
it has to be common thing that bot teams play better, not just one example
it has to be common thing that bot teams play better, not just one example
+1
Some bot teams has strong even at old engines.I remember long time ago a bot team from Belgie, who wins couple time on row their first division:)
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Some bot teams has strong even at old engines.I remember long time ago a bot team from Belgie, who wins couple time on row their first division:)
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Yeah, I hate strong BOT-teams! OR does it mean, that I am weak? :I
That's why I said "at least in my league".
It might be just something momentary, I've just notified the case, we'll see what further. BUT i still have my arguments on the new engine, and I think they are pretty valid.
It might be just something momentary, I've just notified the case, we'll see what further. BUT i still have my arguments on the new engine, and I think they are pretty valid.
The point is that in the old engine it was rewarding to hit your opponents weak spots in the tactics. Now it is much less important, but it should be. It should always be. Take my match from this sunday. I guessed my opponent tactics right. As you can see when the ball is in the middle, my two strikers are perfectly placed in the wide gaps between his central defenders and the wingbacks. They should have 1 space of free area to each side of both of them - during most of the play, but as it is, the defenders "auto-adjust" to stand on top of them most of the time - eliminating a good effort at tactics.
Oh, so "it is more realistic" that defenders will seek towards the nearest striker. Yes, ok. But if it is realism we want then I would in turn like my Strikers to have "auto-catch-me-if-you-can" settings. Because I don't think that irl strikers just passively let 2 defenders stand on top of him without trying to loose them ;)
Hell, just let the whole team on both sides auto-adjust in all directions all 90 min. Now that should be something to watch :P
Oh, so "it is more realistic" that defenders will seek towards the nearest striker. Yes, ok. But if it is realism we want then I would in turn like my Strikers to have "auto-catch-me-if-you-can" settings. Because I don't think that irl strikers just passively let 2 defenders stand on top of him without trying to loose them ;)
Hell, just let the whole team on both sides auto-adjust in all directions all 90 min. Now that should be something to watch :P
Hell, just let the whole team on both sides auto-adjust in all directions all 90 min. Now that should be something to watch :P
No more work for tactics, yupiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii:D
No more work for tactics, yupiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii:D
But if it is realism we want then I would in turn like my Strikers to have "auto-catch-me-if-you-can" settings
now that one is good:) I agree with you, i liked the possibilities to place the attackers into the empty space to produce more opportunities.
But it doesn't work like before...now we gotta find other important issues regarding the tactics...but it is difficult to find how the engine works. Sometimes i think...YEAH, now this works...and the next match they play like babies with the same tactics that worked well before. Of course it is another opponent and there have to be reasons...but they are very hard to find because there are a lot more surprises and things you can't foresee in the new engine.
now that one is good:) I agree with you, i liked the possibilities to place the attackers into the empty space to produce more opportunities.
But it doesn't work like before...now we gotta find other important issues regarding the tactics...but it is difficult to find how the engine works. Sometimes i think...YEAH, now this works...and the next match they play like babies with the same tactics that worked well before. Of course it is another opponent and there have to be reasons...but they are very hard to find because there are a lot more surprises and things you can't foresee in the new engine.
they still tweaking the engine so it's pointless to make general assumptions what is best tactic for the new engine. So i guess the bot teams are in best position cause as much we trying to find the best tactics they always play with same one and they win.
I'm against doing changes during the season that is bad and unfair. The change should be always between the seasons. If you are not ready you do not implement them!!
I'm against doing changes during the season that is bad and unfair. The change should be always between the seasons. If you are not ready you do not implement them!!
Everybody is dealing with the changes, so nothing is unfair.
... apart of transforming users into beta testers
... apart of transforming users into beta testers
If you want you can always put negative things here ;)
Good luck!
Good luck!
If you want you can always put negative things here ;)
Not really - the devs don't offer me all the time a reason for complaining ;)
Good luck!
Thanks, same to you!
Not really - the devs don't offer me all the time a reason for complaining ;)
Good luck!
Thanks, same to you!