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Let me guess, you're a pe teacher? :)
Facts are that you're not expressing yourself well enough and that you confuse rl with sk.
And if you will watch games of Real then you will notice that Khedira isn't really that involved in building actions. Mourinho always relied on offensive midfielders and side defenders with the creativity thing, not central midfielders. Central mids are supposed to retrieve the ball and then pass it to sides or up front to Ozil/Ronaldo/Di Maria. Most of creativity and play making is between the latter mentioned trio. Khedira/Diarra are mostly about tackling, Alonso makes some side changes and long passes from time to time.
What you're talking about has some sense when we concentrate on Barcelona where Iniesta and Xavi make most of the play and Pedro/Villa/Messi just add the final touch, with Messi playing as a playmaker from time to time.
Building actions isn't only about the central mids. They are a part of it, sometimes bigger sometimes smaller.
Facts are that you're not expressing yourself well enough and that you confuse rl with sk.
And if you will watch games of Real then you will notice that Khedira isn't really that involved in building actions. Mourinho always relied on offensive midfielders and side defenders with the creativity thing, not central midfielders. Central mids are supposed to retrieve the ball and then pass it to sides or up front to Ozil/Ronaldo/Di Maria. Most of creativity and play making is between the latter mentioned trio. Khedira/Diarra are mostly about tackling, Alonso makes some side changes and long passes from time to time.
What you're talking about has some sense when we concentrate on Barcelona where Iniesta and Xavi make most of the play and Pedro/Villa/Messi just add the final touch, with Messi playing as a playmaker from time to time.
Building actions isn't only about the central mids. They are a part of it, sometimes bigger sometimes smaller.
it is a good improvemnt this will kill ofside tactics now manager have to work alot more building ofsides
lower height players will have a suprem aceleration with this
im agrreed it have tobe controled or build a faiulure of the use of it probly lose control of the ball or make it go to a side it happedns alot in real live players taht push the ball and run behind it lose control of it or some times just give it to the keeper XD
lower height players will have a suprem aceleration with this
im agrreed it have tobe controled or build a faiulure of the use of it probly lose control of the ball or make it go to a side it happedns alot in real live players taht push the ball and run behind it lose control of it or some times just give it to the keeper XD
Here we are talking something, let alone your guessing and others which you keep using for to prove you're not mature.
Yes, it's a big difference between Real and Barca (between Barca and the majority of teams) concerning on how they build their tactics. Yes, there are teams focusing on sides attacks more, or to push the play to an offensive trio, as well as, we can find a lot of teams which play with 2 defensive midfielders, enough of them are playing just to retrieve the ball and launch counterattack.
There are different approaches, different playmaking activity, different ball possession....but this doesn't change the core: playmaking is playmaking, and builds actions from your penalty box to the other one, some are doing it involving much players, others less, few players are permanently busy, others just occasionally. When somebody get involved just in the last third, he's just partially involved, he's not a genuine playmaker in that tactics,....but what we surely know is that the middle players must have pm, and usually they have the highest pm.
It would make a difference in the game, but it wouldn't be realistic.
This was my first point and I stand on it.
If somebody wants to prove it's realistic, we have a talk, if not, just he wants it, it's not a debating issue for me, I just defend the real football reality.
Yes, it's a big difference between Real and Barca (between Barca and the majority of teams) concerning on how they build their tactics. Yes, there are teams focusing on sides attacks more, or to push the play to an offensive trio, as well as, we can find a lot of teams which play with 2 defensive midfielders, enough of them are playing just to retrieve the ball and launch counterattack.
There are different approaches, different playmaking activity, different ball possession....but this doesn't change the core: playmaking is playmaking, and builds actions from your penalty box to the other one, some are doing it involving much players, others less, few players are permanently busy, others just occasionally. When somebody get involved just in the last third, he's just partially involved, he's not a genuine playmaker in that tactics,....but what we surely know is that the middle players must have pm, and usually they have the highest pm.
It would make a difference in the game, but it wouldn't be realistic.
This was my first point and I stand on it.
If somebody wants to prove it's realistic, we have a talk, if not, just he wants it, it's not a debating issue for me, I just defend the real football reality.
Gentlemen, please continue this highly interesting discussion somewhere else. (Further off topic posts are liable to be deleted without further notice or explanation.)
Keep in mind this is a game which aims to simulate reality to some extent, but needs to resort to game solutions in order to make it work as a game.
Keep in mind this is a game which aims to simulate reality to some extent, but needs to resort to game solutions in order to make it work as a game.
Exactly :) And neither slides and speedups depends of playmaking skill. I totally agree with You :)
You have many rights point and some few errors. Nevertheless William Blake is debatting in a mature facon, while you debat with many sentences that is inmature and offensive. You should try to debat in a respectful maner or stop debating at all.
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Sorry, but I never use "lol" after quoting somebody, I never use smiling or another sign in an ironical manner, I've got a lot of them but I never gave it back......if we are talking about respect.
Actually speedups do depend on playmaking - playmaking is making decisions what to do with the ball, in this aspect the decision is to kick it and run after it. In which direction, how far etc. depends on playmaking.
Hmmm, almost sounds like a quote drom me a few days back ;)
Playmaking is making decisions whom and when to pass the ball to create efficient actions, play. That's all what it makes. Player uses it by analizing situation on the pitch, seeing placement and movements of other players and passes the ball or not, which efficiency depends of playmaking and passing skills.
Thinking is not only a playmaking. Every player is a thinker. Dribbler thinks while trying run controling the ball with technique skill, defender think while trying to steal the ball using defence skill, even striker thinks while trying to hit the goal using striker skill, just as playmaker when trying to create an action by passing the ball, but they all use diffrent skills for it. Of course every player has playmaking skill all the time, but every of them uses it for real only when passes the ball. If player do not pass, he can always run controlling the ball with technique skill, or strike on goal using for it striker skill. These are actually the three general possibilities what player has when own a ball.
Player running with a ball thru pitch or thru opponent defence uses speed and technique for it. More higher skills makes him more efficient in that. For now we have a news, which is just compilation of higher technique with speed, and makes game more realistic. It's obvious that when You are running with the ball, You be able to do it better if You have possibility, free space, to kick it a little ahead, what make Your run easier, so faster, but requests more technique skill, to not lose controll of the ball at higher speed. Playmaking never had, and never will nothing to do with it :)
Beside these three possibilities for player which own a ball, there's one more for the rest of 21 which are off the ball for the most of a time, or even only 10 of them, and it's a possibility to steal the ball from this one who have it, which also works only when defending player is close to player owned a ball, and request a defence skill. Here we have got another news, which gives defender ability to steal a ball passed, or just kicked thru the pitch by making a slide. As previous one, it also makes a game more realistic. And as previous, playmaking never had, and never will nothing to do with it. Ability of steal a ball whether directly from other player, or by the slide when ball moves thru the pitch, depends only from defence skill.
Last changes, news, makes game more realistic, and none of them has, and actually shouldn't have nothing to do with playmaking skill. That's the point and Your opinions that it should have it is frankly little ridiculous :)
No ofence.
Thinking is not only a playmaking. Every player is a thinker. Dribbler thinks while trying run controling the ball with technique skill, defender think while trying to steal the ball using defence skill, even striker thinks while trying to hit the goal using striker skill, just as playmaker when trying to create an action by passing the ball, but they all use diffrent skills for it. Of course every player has playmaking skill all the time, but every of them uses it for real only when passes the ball. If player do not pass, he can always run controlling the ball with technique skill, or strike on goal using for it striker skill. These are actually the three general possibilities what player has when own a ball.
Player running with a ball thru pitch or thru opponent defence uses speed and technique for it. More higher skills makes him more efficient in that. For now we have a news, which is just compilation of higher technique with speed, and makes game more realistic. It's obvious that when You are running with the ball, You be able to do it better if You have possibility, free space, to kick it a little ahead, what make Your run easier, so faster, but requests more technique skill, to not lose controll of the ball at higher speed. Playmaking never had, and never will nothing to do with it :)
Beside these three possibilities for player which own a ball, there's one more for the rest of 21 which are off the ball for the most of a time, or even only 10 of them, and it's a possibility to steal the ball from this one who have it, which also works only when defending player is close to player owned a ball, and request a defence skill. Here we have got another news, which gives defender ability to steal a ball passed, or just kicked thru the pitch by making a slide. As previous one, it also makes a game more realistic. And as previous, playmaking never had, and never will nothing to do with it. Ability of steal a ball whether directly from other player, or by the slide when ball moves thru the pitch, depends only from defence skill.
Last changes, news, makes game more realistic, and none of them has, and actually shouldn't have nothing to do with playmaking skill. That's the point and Your opinions that it should have it is frankly little ridiculous :)
No ofence.
Actually speedups do depend on playmaking - playmaking is making decisions what to do with the ball, in this aspect the decision is to kick it and run after it. In which direction, how far etc. depends on playmaking.
In real football: playmaking is involved everywhere, in the moment you get the ball in possession, right after you retrieve the ball and you start building your team's action, pm is fully busy in the middle third when you're pretty sure on possession, and it's combined with defending (caution) in the first third or with the attacking abilities in the last third.
Conclusion:
-for speed-ups, pm works in the same way as it's working in all the situations you have the ball in possession and helps your (good) decisions, not more and not less, which is decisive (to determine you) for speed-up is the technique of the player and that he's conscious of it;
-for sliding tackles, pm is working just in the manner you start building action (counterattack, possession) right in moment you see the opportunity of retrieving the ball, this is only at the very good teams, and it's working in a small way because it's just a possibility/intention, determinative is your defending ability/skill, otherwise you wouldn't adventure yourself in something you're not able to do.
In sokker: as you said, pm is involved just in the passing decisions.
Conclusion:
-if pm it's working just for passing (decisions), and not in the same way for finalizing/shooting for example (the decision of the best moment of shooting, power, direction, height), why to become determinative somewhere else where not the attack skill is "in charge" like at shooting, but the technique (speed-ups) or defending (sliding tackles) ? why in these two parts and not in the other one ? what has to do pm with a ball retrieving action (sliding tackle) while it's so far of passing ?
If pm would work everywhere, not just in passing, the situation would be the same.
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In real football: playmaking is involved everywhere, in the moment you get the ball in possession, right after you retrieve the ball and you start building your team's action, pm is fully busy in the middle third when you're pretty sure on possession, and it's combined with defending (caution) in the first third or with the attacking abilities in the last third.
Conclusion:
-for speed-ups, pm works in the same way as it's working in all the situations you have the ball in possession and helps your (good) decisions, not more and not less, which is decisive (to determine you) for speed-up is the technique of the player and that he's conscious of it;
-for sliding tackles, pm is working just in the manner you start building action (counterattack, possession) right in moment you see the opportunity of retrieving the ball, this is only at the very good teams, and it's working in a small way because it's just a possibility/intention, determinative is your defending ability/skill, otherwise you wouldn't adventure yourself in something you're not able to do.
In sokker: as you said, pm is involved just in the passing decisions.
Conclusion:
-if pm it's working just for passing (decisions), and not in the same way for finalizing/shooting for example (the decision of the best moment of shooting, power, direction, height), why to become determinative somewhere else where not the attack skill is "in charge" like at shooting, but the technique (speed-ups) or defending (sliding tackles) ? why in these two parts and not in the other one ? what has to do pm with a ball retrieving action (sliding tackle) while it's so far of passing ?
If pm would work everywhere, not just in passing, the situation would be the same.
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If we are talking about RL, then I have to say if one watches the Kansas City Wizards [aka] Sporting KC, they slide all the time. Or, as it is known in some parts of the world as stumbling and falling. One can also assume, based on their play last year that “playmaking” is not a part of the game plan either. Unless “kick and stand” is now a new tactic. :)
In sokker: as you said, pm is involved just in the passing decisions.
Conclusion:
-if pm it's working just for passing (decisions), and not in the same way for finalizing/shooting for example (the decision of the best moment of shooting, power, direction, height), why to become determinative somewhere else where not the attack skill is "in charge" like at shooting, but the technique (speed-ups) or defending (sliding tackles) ? why in these two parts and not in the other one ? what has to do pm with a ball retrieving action (sliding tackle) while it's so far of passing ?
If pm would work everywhere, not just in passing, the situation would be the same.
To make the skills more balanced. Technique already has big influence and playmaker would become more important. Central mids won't gain much from speedups and won't do them often, strikers will - all strikers have high technique, not all strikers have high playmaker [most don't actually]. It would promote the idea of overally trained striker, as now striker is mostly about 3 mains skills + defender skill.
Sliding - it's still about making the decision to slide. As in striker situation, most important skills for def are pace+defence and technique. Playmaker is much less important, as well as passing is. It would make the defenders more overally trained.
The result of the attempt to slide/speedup can of course rely on the technique/defender skill, but the sole decision might rely on playmaker skill...in my opinion :)
Conclusion:
-if pm it's working just for passing (decisions), and not in the same way for finalizing/shooting for example (the decision of the best moment of shooting, power, direction, height), why to become determinative somewhere else where not the attack skill is "in charge" like at shooting, but the technique (speed-ups) or defending (sliding tackles) ? why in these two parts and not in the other one ? what has to do pm with a ball retrieving action (sliding tackle) while it's so far of passing ?
If pm would work everywhere, not just in passing, the situation would be the same.
To make the skills more balanced. Technique already has big influence and playmaker would become more important. Central mids won't gain much from speedups and won't do them often, strikers will - all strikers have high technique, not all strikers have high playmaker [most don't actually]. It would promote the idea of overally trained striker, as now striker is mostly about 3 mains skills + defender skill.
Sliding - it's still about making the decision to slide. As in striker situation, most important skills for def are pace+defence and technique. Playmaker is much less important, as well as passing is. It would make the defenders more overally trained.
The result of the attempt to slide/speedup can of course rely on the technique/defender skill, but the sole decision might rely on playmaker skill...in my opinion :)
damm , they didn't fix the injuries,bookings,suporters,corners and others things more important , but they add a slayding tackle and a run for the ball (and as it seems only visual changes, hard work)
disapointing as allways
disapointing as allways