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Subject: »news Match Engine Changes

2012-06-16 22:08:58

Yeah, right.

But here there are four or five people who are trying to say that it was too difficult to score, statistical panels apart. An impressive number of cup matches ended to penalty (16 to score 3 goals in my case).
This is the main stream impression, not his. So if he wants to discuss on a math basis he has to make the study not all the others.
2012-06-16 22:12:18
look, i'm not involved with this...

was only pointing out what he was trying to say...
2012-06-16 22:12:59
Just to point out a small "thing". Do you know, when the penalty is taken, the calculation uses striking skill?! So you do really expect midfielders to score a lot against strong/top keepers?!


I do understand that this calculation during penalties is wrong here in Sokker, but this is the way it is used. If you want this to be changed, feel free to open a topic on Bugs/Ideas forum. But don't blame this on the new ME, as this calculation was used in previous ME's.
2012-06-16 22:19:03

look, apart from who is going to score a penalty on whom, there is a fact we can agree on: during last cup match it was too difficult to score, a great and unusual number of matches ended up to extra-time and penalties and in these great number of 120' matches there were no midfielders or defenders to strike to goal but attackers in most cases. right?




2012-06-16 22:22:42
Not totally agreed with you. Don't forget: Form, TD, and as I said earlier the way goalscoring shot is being calculated atm.
2012-06-16 22:23:59
"Now when strikers shoot, or go 1on1 against a goalkeeper, on the shooting moment, in the calculation will be included player's striking and GK's keeping skill"

mm so in order to win the championship in my lower league all i really need is 1 superstriker and one good keeper while i don't have to care about the rest of the team because the new ME will base the result even more on strikers and keepers. i would not call it realism.
2012-06-16 22:25:40
Why do you take everything in black and white?! Why go to extremes?

I was talking about the shooting only. If you have a better team, this means more chances, and ofc more shooting situations which raises your chance of scoring.
2012-06-16 22:26:29
I'm not saying this ME is ideal. But it's definitely not awful as users describe it.
2012-06-16 22:32:07

I don't forget the way goalscoring is being calculate, it is that "way" we would like to see chaged respect to last wednesday. Striking was too lobbed, too weak, so there were very few goals and a lot of macthes ened to penalty (and too few were scored but here comes the low striking skill average).

2012-06-16 22:37:40
Okay, so isn't it better to open a topic on Bugs/Ideas or on Sokker International. Include in the first post the list of what specifically to be changed, added or removed. If it will be organized like this, there won't be so many problems. You see, it is kind of wrong to say ME IS AWFUL, you have to specify what is wrong, what is good. And that's why I defend the ME(not totally). Do not blame the whole ME, but only parts of it.


P.S. When you read the news, you see that devs specify what has been changed, right?! So they are confused when they get such messages as: ME is awful. What should they repair?! Huh?! Everything?! I doubt it. State clearly what is bad and I hope greg will work on it.
2012-06-16 22:44:38
Just want to point out something, in Adriano02's style:

You do know, Sokker simulates Euro 2012 matches. Here are the Sokker results:
2:1 Hellas - Rossiya
2:1 Česká republika - Polska

And here the real results


1:0 Hellas - Rossiya
1:0 Česká republika - Polska


With the new ME, the winning teams were correct. Also the goal difference. Even though it was unlikely to end up like this considering Russia's form from the start of this tournament. But it happened. So "the random" from Sokker and IRL was the same :)
2012-06-16 22:50:15
I thought it was here the topic th discuss the chages to the ME.
Infact I posted an ordered list of observations to better off the engine, after having pointed out that before introducing such heavy chages to ME there have should been more testing (see my last cup match, minute 78, the freekick... the mid has 15pass-15plmk-16exp).
Anyway, the better thing they could do, IMHO, is to restore last sunday ME and work on small progressive changes on test servers, then put this changes together and try them all at once, then change the ME. I don't think it is wise to hurry and ruin other matches like last wednesday.

Edit:
Sorry Ice-T, I dont mind if Sokker becomes the best match predictor of the world, I want to see beatiful and strategic dependant matches. I don't have 90' minutes to see a perfect speed like reality simulation. Sokker matches will nevre be that long, so they have to be faster than reality.




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2012-06-16 22:52:35
wanted to report, so thanks for this.
there was many tricky direction changing balls:O
its become more randomly then it was before...
its not football anymore, its randomball:)
2012-06-16 22:54:15
Random is all right, if we say about missing penalty or a great save, but not when the pitch is like that, and the ball is changing random direction...
2012-06-16 22:54:16
And it's the fault of the field, not ME. ( just in case someone misunderstands).
2012-06-16 22:57:03
yes, but dont know how the ME working, because all the players were that slow i slept on the match.
My defender step about 10-12 while moved about 5-6 meters. Now i understand why cant reach your striker:)