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Subject: Friendlies and fan mood
Ranking has nothing to do with it. It's only based on fan club size.
I don't understand what you wanted to say about today's match. Did you gain a level in fan mood or did you lose one?
I don't understand what you wanted to say about today's match. Did you gain a level in fan mood or did you lose one?
I gain one but just one since at Wednesday i dropped after a friendly i'm assuming that it was close to the 1 like 0.9 or something and i was expecting at least to gain 1.2 to reach level 3. It's not about my club personally it's juts an example . So how much i need to win 10-0 or 20-0 and how my opponent will feel after such defeat? What will be his motivation to continue playing?
So it continues Ukrainian team played with almost all his first squad and beat me 7-0 of course i played with 11 reservese cause i'm trainning speed. Even that i wrote in the forum that i'm searching for a team that will play with reserevs . So this sucks . How my supporters will expect an easy win .
Please remove the affcet of the friendlies over fan mood this is just advantage for cheaters and people that looking for fast progress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please remove the affcet of the friendlies over fan mood this is just advantage for cheaters and people that looking for fast progress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The answer to your problem is this. Instead of advertising for a club who wants to play with reserves and thus inviting cheaters, you should browse through the adds to find clubs who are playing friendlies regularly with their reserves because they have trainees and around 20 players. It also helps to find clubs who have simmilar avg marks in friendlies as your 2nd team. This is what I am doing and I rarely get surprises like yours.
I do it in the same way, you need to chose carefully every friendly match, to search the opponents. Usually I get matches where the opponent is the favorite but I have real chances to fulfill my fans' expectations.
@ sviktorov Deal with the opponent choosing, spend a little time with it, it worth.
@ sviktorov Deal with the opponent choosing, spend a little time with it, it worth.
I will tray to be more carefull if i find sombody that shares my belives i could play with him every week.
I guess it will be good feature finding temas for friendly by trainning plan
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I guess it will be good feature finding temas for friendly by trainning plan
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The friendlies should not affect the fan mood how i could train if i'm loosing every week with scores like this week 11-0 respectively loosing fans and money . It's so unfair and i will not stop writing about this until it's changed .
I don't care about safe tactics We should not be punished because we prefer to train instead of trading.
I'm seeing a team in my country with 12 players he did not play friendlies and he is doing much better because he saves from wages, do not risks for injuries and not looses fans because he is not risking to be crushed.
So people what you prefer users that logs once per week or users that logging every day waiting the training update at 5 in the morning watching their friendlies and trying to improve their tactics.
Youth games should not affect the mood as well
All the games that are not obligatory should not affect the fans!
I don't care about safe tactics We should not be punished because we prefer to train instead of trading.
I'm seeing a team in my country with 12 players he did not play friendlies and he is doing much better because he saves from wages, do not risks for injuries and not looses fans because he is not risking to be crushed.
So people what you prefer users that logs once per week or users that logging every day waiting the training update at 5 in the morning watching their friendlies and trying to improve their tactics.
Youth games should not affect the mood as well
All the games that are not obligatory should not affect the fans!
I'm seeing a team in my country with 12 players he did not play friendlies and he is doing much better because he saves from wages, do not risks for injuries and not looses fans because he is not risking to be crushed.
a) Wages are basically nothing, even when you're starting out player wages are so cheap (with exception to top end goalkeepers) that it's irrelevant that he's saving anything from avoiding friendlies.
b) By not playing friendlies you miss out on opportunities to bring in that extra money from revenue. Admittingly it's not much but you at least get something.
c) By playing a training game you can train more players and so therefore in the long run become a better side then those that aren't, both financially and results wise.
Friendlies do not affect support mood/sponsorship/fan size very much at all. You'd be unlikely to lose more than a fraction of a level for a blowout loss. Most people see a drop and think wow I lost a level, rather than well maybe I only lost 0.2 or 0.3 of a level and it dropped from 6.1 to 5.9 and therefore showed a different level of supporter mood.
If you're worried about losing supporter mood then how about not training as many players. Nothing says you have to train 22 players. Most training regimes only allow a maximum of 10 with the exception of stamina and pace. (5 league, 5 friendly). Thus if you're smart and you want to maximise both training and maintaining mood, how about just playing 5 trainees in the friendly and fill the rest of your side up with players you don't need to receive training for?
At the end of the day you can't possibly expect to get the best of both situations, ie train heaps of people and getting thumped in friendlies and still expect high revenue from sponsorship. There's a trade off between training and results.
My suggestion is if you want to continue as you are, then find teams with similar strengths as you when it comes to choosing your friendly matches or select a side with a superior supporter base such that your club expectations are much lower and therefore the effect of losing is smaller.
You can complain/whinge all you like but I don't believe this is going to change anytime soon. The fact is there is so much you can do to avoid these effects from friendly losses (which as stated before are very small anyway).
For those that choose to train players, you're not punished as those players will lead to some form of profit greater than the amount you lose in wages/sponsorship drops combined. Training is a long term reward, you give something up initially but make it all back plus more and end up in a better position. If you're not doing that then you need to seriously look at how you go about training because you're clearly doing something wrong.
a) Wages are basically nothing, even when you're starting out player wages are so cheap (with exception to top end goalkeepers) that it's irrelevant that he's saving anything from avoiding friendlies.
b) By not playing friendlies you miss out on opportunities to bring in that extra money from revenue. Admittingly it's not much but you at least get something.
c) By playing a training game you can train more players and so therefore in the long run become a better side then those that aren't, both financially and results wise.
Friendlies do not affect support mood/sponsorship/fan size very much at all. You'd be unlikely to lose more than a fraction of a level for a blowout loss. Most people see a drop and think wow I lost a level, rather than well maybe I only lost 0.2 or 0.3 of a level and it dropped from 6.1 to 5.9 and therefore showed a different level of supporter mood.
If you're worried about losing supporter mood then how about not training as many players. Nothing says you have to train 22 players. Most training regimes only allow a maximum of 10 with the exception of stamina and pace. (5 league, 5 friendly). Thus if you're smart and you want to maximise both training and maintaining mood, how about just playing 5 trainees in the friendly and fill the rest of your side up with players you don't need to receive training for?
At the end of the day you can't possibly expect to get the best of both situations, ie train heaps of people and getting thumped in friendlies and still expect high revenue from sponsorship. There's a trade off between training and results.
My suggestion is if you want to continue as you are, then find teams with similar strengths as you when it comes to choosing your friendly matches or select a side with a superior supporter base such that your club expectations are much lower and therefore the effect of losing is smaller.
You can complain/whinge all you like but I don't believe this is going to change anytime soon. The fact is there is so much you can do to avoid these effects from friendly losses (which as stated before are very small anyway).
For those that choose to train players, you're not punished as those players will lead to some form of profit greater than the amount you lose in wages/sponsorship drops combined. Training is a long term reward, you give something up initially but make it all back plus more and end up in a better position. If you're not doing that then you need to seriously look at how you go about training because you're clearly doing something wrong.
@cometer : Tanks for your opinion you have your point and i'm agree with you on some points. But i disagree with the following.
a) Wages are basically nothing,
If you want a good profit you obviously would like to keep your tarines until they reach high levels some of my trainees got wages 5-6k if you keep normal squad with 22playes it's 50-60k per weak.
b) By not playing friendlies you miss out on opportunities to bring in that extra money from revenue. Admittingly it's not much but you at least get something.
Agree on that if you have time and arrange friendlies with big teams with big fan club you could have income bigger than first or second round from the national cup. Another nonesence in the game. But small teams hardly could expect that cause big teams avoiding them because of the effect of the friendlies on fan mood.
On point c i'm absolutely agree with you.
You are right that writing here and complaining could hardly achieve anything but what other options we have. Until it is civilized i think that is the right way to point to developers what users want.
They should improve the game in the direction that users want because there are some many managers on the market.
Yes for me sokker is number one in the moment but it has to improve some things that are not right. And it seems that the majority of the users do not want friendlies to affect the fan mood!!
a) Wages are basically nothing,
If you want a good profit you obviously would like to keep your tarines until they reach high levels some of my trainees got wages 5-6k if you keep normal squad with 22playes it's 50-60k per weak.
b) By not playing friendlies you miss out on opportunities to bring in that extra money from revenue. Admittingly it's not much but you at least get something.
Agree on that if you have time and arrange friendlies with big teams with big fan club you could have income bigger than first or second round from the national cup. Another nonesence in the game. But small teams hardly could expect that cause big teams avoiding them because of the effect of the friendlies on fan mood.
On point c i'm absolutely agree with you.
You are right that writing here and complaining could hardly achieve anything but what other options we have. Until it is civilized i think that is the right way to point to developers what users want.
They should improve the game in the direction that users want because there are some many managers on the market.
Yes for me sokker is number one in the moment but it has to improve some things that are not right. And it seems that the majority of the users do not want friendlies to affect the fan mood!!
This is a bit out of the topic but I always find it amusing when the opening post of a poll is as biased as in here :)
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The opening post of this poll is not description of the poll that is my personal opinion :) Think the vote question itself is not biased. I guess the way i explained my position brings more votes to the opposite cause then to mine but that's me :)
so it happend again i droped a level after a friendly 3 time this season
even with sublevels this is quite annoing
even with sublevels this is quite annoing
In my opinion the creator of the topic is totally correct. In my last two oficial matches I got two good results. Draw against stronger team and win agains weaker team. And the mood of my team is worst than two weeks before because i lost last two friendly matches agains two stronger teams.
It just make no sense. It's totaly against commom sense. Any supporter in the world would rather his team to get two good results in oficial matches then two bad results (and I didn't lost to weaker teams, i lost to stronger teams) in friendlies. In this sense, sokker is very unreal.
It just make no sense. It's totaly against commom sense. Any supporter in the world would rather his team to get two good results in oficial matches then two bad results (and I didn't lost to weaker teams, i lost to stronger teams) in friendlies. In this sense, sokker is very unreal.