Subject: Second tactics strategies

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so it is a change that is good for managers who like to manage their tactics as good as possible.

yes that's true

But it makes it much more random

...and time-consuming:)

until now i spent a lot of time in sokker and i will do that for some seasons more.

Maybe it will be fun to change tacics and experience some unexpected turns during the game. So...i will wate and see what it brings exactly....i talk about after having experienced it:)

in UM they already have two tactics and most of users like it :-)

who cares about UM?

:-) nobody, but we are glad that we can have some features which are there already :-)

if more people agree with correction of tactic orders, please tell it here :-)
maybe they can fix it for us soon :-) I dont see any negatives on this change.
http://online.sokker.org/forum_topic.php?ID_forum=1261&ID_topic=2730715&pg=0#new

in UM they already have two tactics and most of users like it :-)

what's UM?

@all Don't dicuss with red pirate any more. He's just a pathetic troll.

2nd tactic option is great but only when used as a reaction to current score.

Am I the only one who thinks that it's rather useless in case of a red card? I mean, you would have to know exactly which number got the red card in order to arrange a new tactic. Imo, in this case it is stil more useful to use regular conditionals and swap players if certain positions get red.

I agree.
We need the position number for the red card order.
Put it to ideas forum if its not there already.
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I agree. I hope it will be introduced in the future, but i think it can cost a while.
Untill then i will simply go for the way it works ok, 'scoreboardmanagement' ;)

I just read the whole thread and there are some really stupid arguments, which I even don´t understand. And lets face the fact, that there is no chance every managers likes the improvements.

I like it, makes sokker more interesting, versatile and REAL (which is some cases is not good, but changing tactics is normal).

Indeed, it will bring less random. Because you can take action when your starttactic was wrong and does not work.
There is a back up possibility.

The tricky thing is: You have no clue whether your tactic works or not, you can only guess it from the result. I mean, you know Sokker, you can be 1-2 down at halftime (totally undeserved) and win 6-2 in the end. Now imagine your opponent plays with wing, you with 5 def, and above scenario happens. You switch your tactic to 4-x-x or something (because you're 1-2 down) and get eventually screwed in the second half :D

Don't get me wrong, I really like this feature, but I'll be careful in using it, because the engine is unpredictable and a certain result doesn't have to mean your tactic worked or failed. :) (And unlike hattrick it's not that easy here to just shift around the strength of the team sections. e.g. taking out a winger for an additional defender can completely blow off your play, which means more attacks for the opponent).

i like the second tactic option.
it's probably not something for every match and we'll need to get used to it. you'll certainly need more trial and error for the individual tactics to make sure they both work and can work together against opponent's tactics.

however eventually it's not a huge difference from the original tactical set-up because if you currently face a real tactician who likes to change tactics often the only lead you can have up front is by figuring out his preference in tactics rather than his individual tactic so that's not changed.

attempts to scout will be more challenging though because now that guy might also have some back-up tactic ready which can be very different from the first one and when it comes to NT's it's just become more dangerous to have miscommunications between assistants and coaches regarding tactic suggestions :p

i'd say it's a whole new dimension in game so we'll see how it works out ...
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I not like it, it decreases almost to zero the chance to beat a better team with good tactic, in the case he changes his tactics. Before the modification it was enough too beat a better team with one great tactic. After it, you will need to make 2 great tactic, and find out when your opponent changes between his tactics, so you will need extrem luck or mind reading ability to beat a team with better players.

In the first classes and in NT level I expect that tactics with 5 defender will even more dominant than before this "fantastic" modification as the wingers in sokker are terribly dangerous. And now you can use that weapon in a short period too. I guess we will see a lot NT matches when one part of the game there is a winger and in the other part, this winger, or his substitute plays in the center of the field.

Very nice improvement, it's just the proper way of improving a football simulator game.