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Subject: New match engine discussion
You say that Spain makes 25 shoots on goal and put one goal and Armenia at the same game makes 2 shoots and makes 2 goals?This Happened in real sokker..?Or a superdivine striker in technique can pass at the same time 5 superdivine defs..?
So you are pretending exactly?
1) The most rated team should always win?
nO THE MOST RATED sould not always be the winner.But ih it is to lose this must happened with realistic way and not with feritales.That means that a superdivine strikers like Mesi will come tet a tet against Luigi Bufon 15 times..and will score only one time..?That is that sokker become closer to real soccer..?NOW I CAN LOUGH!
2) A low skilled defender can never stop a high leveled player?
thats why is a football manager game and not a real game or a playstation game.Thats why it has the level..from tragic to superdivine and that in real soccer is not happened.When at the same move of a striker..and moment...that striker...passes easy one superdivine def and then come a outstanding def and stop him...that is unreal!And why the levels of skills then..if this happenes.So greg must put out the level of skills from the time that dopn play rule..
3) that your GK does not make any mistake because he is divine keeper?
Yes thats why is on superdivine form.It is forbidden to make mistace.Because when he make mistaces with tragic form..and at the same time he make mistaces with superdivine form...this shows me that form plays no rule!A t least when he is at superdivine form must eat silly goals only by superdivine striker.Otherwise...form plays no rule..and give as the thought that creators of the game..are cheating...us because they give us numbers...that i reallity is luck!
4) A midfielder should not score from outside the area?
Yes...but not when the keeper is on superdivine form and superdivine goal skill and eats goal from a player with much lower form and much lower the skil of technique and striking...
Because then why is the form and the skils on the game?For pictures..?
5) The best strikers scores all their chances against a low rated GK?
2 best strikers..in real soccer can make 25 shoots at one game and they will score at the same time only 1 time?I dont think so.SO STOP TRYING TO CONVICE ME that soccer become closer. to real soccer and that things are normal and stop trying to convice us that your opinion..is the fact of the good soccer.If the chances were good and enough and real it couldnT have been so much users that hate that new changes.In Hellas community..the 90% of the users are loughing with the new ME.And the most of old users..are getting tired..or retired..with the game..
THIS IS FANTASTIC GAME ,FOOTBALL MANAGER GAME..and if someone try to give more things than the game really can give..then the result is awfull...in addition..with the past..and old sokker.
Do you like the new ME with slower players?
No, it is boring and irrealistic, do it back! 54% (365)
Yes, because of more realistic results. 20% (133)
Yes, i write in forum why. 3% (17)
No, i write in forum why do it back! 4% (29)
Im just interested in the result. 19% (128)
Look the votes-results until now...and start thinking...why the new ME IS unrealistic.
And also think why only at least 700 users are participating to this vote -topic...If the changes..were so good as you say at the vote topic you could have see thousands of user participating and voting...;))
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So you are pretending exactly?
1) The most rated team should always win?
nO THE MOST RATED sould not always be the winner.But ih it is to lose this must happened with realistic way and not with feritales.That means that a superdivine strikers like Mesi will come tet a tet against Luigi Bufon 15 times..and will score only one time..?That is that sokker become closer to real soccer..?NOW I CAN LOUGH!
2) A low skilled defender can never stop a high leveled player?
thats why is a football manager game and not a real game or a playstation game.Thats why it has the level..from tragic to superdivine and that in real soccer is not happened.When at the same move of a striker..and moment...that striker...passes easy one superdivine def and then come a outstanding def and stop him...that is unreal!And why the levels of skills then..if this happenes.So greg must put out the level of skills from the time that dopn play rule..
3) that your GK does not make any mistake because he is divine keeper?
Yes thats why is on superdivine form.It is forbidden to make mistace.Because when he make mistaces with tragic form..and at the same time he make mistaces with superdivine form...this shows me that form plays no rule!A t least when he is at superdivine form must eat silly goals only by superdivine striker.Otherwise...form plays no rule..and give as the thought that creators of the game..are cheating...us because they give us numbers...that i reallity is luck!
4) A midfielder should not score from outside the area?
Yes...but not when the keeper is on superdivine form and superdivine goal skill and eats goal from a player with much lower form and much lower the skil of technique and striking...
Because then why is the form and the skils on the game?For pictures..?
5) The best strikers scores all their chances against a low rated GK?
2 best strikers..in real soccer can make 25 shoots at one game and they will score at the same time only 1 time?I dont think so.SO STOP TRYING TO CONVICE ME that soccer become closer. to real soccer and that things are normal and stop trying to convice us that your opinion..is the fact of the good soccer.If the chances were good and enough and real it couldnT have been so much users that hate that new changes.In Hellas community..the 90% of the users are loughing with the new ME.And the most of old users..are getting tired..or retired..with the game..
THIS IS FANTASTIC GAME ,FOOTBALL MANAGER GAME..and if someone try to give more things than the game really can give..then the result is awfull...in addition..with the past..and old sokker.
Do you like the new ME with slower players?
No, it is boring and irrealistic, do it back! 54% (365)
Yes, because of more realistic results. 20% (133)
Yes, i write in forum why. 3% (17)
No, i write in forum why do it back! 4% (29)
Im just interested in the result. 19% (128)
Look the votes-results until now...and start thinking...why the new ME IS unrealistic.
And also think why only at least 700 users are participating to this vote -topic...If the changes..were so good as you say at the vote topic you could have see thousands of user participating and voting...;))
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EVLOGHTOS Look the votes-results until now...and start thinking... why only at least 700 users are participating to this vote -topic...If the changes..were so bad as you say at the vote topic you could have see thousands of user participating and voting...;)
That number probably gives a good picture of the amount of forum-active users. And one could argue that if you don't take the 1 second it takes to cast a vote in that topic, you do not love the game high enough ;)
I agree with Evloghtos a good distance. Sokker has not become more real. Just different. They pretend that we have more playmaking as in real life, but fact is that players are stupid and blind as a door most of the time. They need to have some sort of AI incorporated so that they may think more than 1 pass ahead, instead of the "lets play to the one that has most free space around him - regardless of direction and circumstance". I would be great if the skill "playmaking" would be a little deeper than just "quick decisions/passing" and "more running passes".
I agree with Evloghtos a good distance. Sokker has not become more real. Just different. They pretend that we have more playmaking as in real life, but fact is that players are stupid and blind as a door most of the time. They need to have some sort of AI incorporated so that they may think more than 1 pass ahead, instead of the "lets play to the one that has most free space around him - regardless of direction and circumstance". I would be great if the skill "playmaking" would be a little deeper than just "quick decisions/passing" and "more running passes".
I completely agree with you.
Training makes no sense, if skills don´t matter anymore. Taking time for your tactic has become pointless. Watching games once was fun, now it´s just a pain.
Just sold the team I developed for more than 10 seasons. Still was not too old and had a lot of potential, but I was sick of seeing great players underperform and act like idiots.
A lot of users still think, that they only have to train their players to a higher level to get to see a decent game.
When your players have reached the top level and you can´t train them any higher you lose this illusion. When you see your NT-players behave like youthplayers, you know something is terribly wrong with this engine.
Especially if you trained your players from age 16/17 to the age of 28. You saw their development and you know what you can and should expect.
Maybe one day greg manages to present an engine, that makes this once fantastic game worth investing time again.
As I don´t have high hopes in this to happen, I now completely lack the motivation to create a new team. So I´ll just set my club on standby, probably make some bucks, stop paying for plus and hope for better times...
On a positive note:
It´s just an incredible relief, that I don´t have to watch the crappy games and invest time in now pretty useless tactics anymore.
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Training makes no sense, if skills don´t matter anymore. Taking time for your tactic has become pointless. Watching games once was fun, now it´s just a pain.
Just sold the team I developed for more than 10 seasons. Still was not too old and had a lot of potential, but I was sick of seeing great players underperform and act like idiots.
A lot of users still think, that they only have to train their players to a higher level to get to see a decent game.
When your players have reached the top level and you can´t train them any higher you lose this illusion. When you see your NT-players behave like youthplayers, you know something is terribly wrong with this engine.
Especially if you trained your players from age 16/17 to the age of 28. You saw their development and you know what you can and should expect.
Maybe one day greg manages to present an engine, that makes this once fantastic game worth investing time again.
As I don´t have high hopes in this to happen, I now completely lack the motivation to create a new team. So I´ll just set my club on standby, probably make some bucks, stop paying for plus and hope for better times...
On a positive note:
It´s just an incredible relief, that I don´t have to watch the crappy games and invest time in now pretty useless tactics anymore.
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+1 from me.
I'm not against surprising results as long there is some logic (good tactic) behind them but there is no logic at all considering player skills in most games now.
So, atm we have a game which is controlled mostly by random with skills and form being almost completely irreverent and tactics making just a small impact on the final result.
I'm not against surprising results as long there is some logic (good tactic) behind them but there is no logic at all considering player skills in most games now.
So, atm we have a game which is controlled mostly by random with skills and form being almost completely irreverent and tactics making just a small impact on the final result.
I must say I don´t understand non of you guys. I could rip the greekmans post literally apart and throw it on the ground based on how real life runs compered to ФК Меtalac and sokker.
but I don´t know, maybe I am the only team here where the tactics matter and where the skills matter.
but I don´t know, maybe I am the only team here where the tactics matter and where the skills matter.
maybe because You are playing mostly against opponents with similar strength as Your team so there is no divine interventions of ME and random part doesn't seem so obvious as You are not really expecting Your defenders to win all challenges or Your attacker to dribble past opponent defenders every time as. ;)
Maybe Greg is going to prove me wrong but I'm 99% sure that in matches of two teams where one of that teams is much stronger, most of the duels are biased.
Maybe Greg is going to prove me wrong but I'm 99% sure that in matches of two teams where one of that teams is much stronger, most of the duels are biased.
I am copying the reply I did in another forum and you will see why your argument does not stand.
I am posting you some links with some matches in real life. Where MESSI and C RONALDO played!
Barca 23 shots 2 goals Chelsea 7 shots 2 goals http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/258580/report
Portugal 1 N ireland 1 Portugal 23 goal attempts scored 1 goal N Ireland 6 attempts scored 1 goal and they were winning till 80th min or so! http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/match/2012/oct/16/portugal-v-northernireland
I can find you much more like these.
I ve been playing this game for a long time like most of you and every time ME is changed every time people grumble and find an excuse for their results (sometimes I do it as well!). Its like when in real life you lose and blame the referee.
We ask for a "realistic" sokker but than we pretend that the best team always win.
I know that for people like me who has been playing this game for a long time sometimes all these changes are annoying, but keep in mind few things.
1) In reality not all best teams wins everytime despite being better. eg Saturday Norwich 1 - Arsenal 0 Arsenal are much better than Norwich but they lost! Shall we ask FIFA to change the rules? Man City were losing till the last 10mins against WBA with WBA scoring from their first chance created whilst Man City were dominating the game despite playing with 10 players, N Ireland vs Portugal 1 - 1 with N Ireland scoring from their only chance and they were winning till the 80min if I am not mistaken. I can mention hundreds of games that end up this way.
2) Does everytime Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo dribble all their opponents and score? I guess no! sometimes they are well marked by very low skilled defenders. Eg. Italia vs Malta 2-0 Andrea Pirlo was outclassed from the match by an unknown maltese player. That does not make the maltese player better than Pirlo! He was better on the night. Mentioned Pirlo because at the moment he is in Superdivine form! another eg. Barcellona vs Chelsea last season. Barcellona dominated and Chelsea scored the only 2 chances created!
Moreover one has to keep in mind that before we had games with ratings 60 vs 35 now we have 80 vs 65/70 which makes the game more close I guess with players from low teams doing less mistakes because they have better skills.
Moreover a super divine keeper can also do mistakes (Hart vs Poland , Neuer vs Sweeden, Julio Cesar vs Everton) and sometimes you have a good keeper who on the day manages to play like a super divine keeper.
I play other manager games (not online) like football manager, I buy the best players and still dont win everygame.
I think that would be really boring and would get me leave the game immediately. The good thing about change is that it keeps you motivated and makes you adapt yourself to the new ME. It does not mean that the ME is perfect! far from it!.
I know most of you wont agree with me but this is how I look at it personally.
If all the games are "planned" i.e the best team always win, best strikers score most of the chances created, Best keepers save most of the chances etc etc football would be very boring and I am sure Sokker will be that way as well.
I am sure neither this way will get new people playing the game cause like that they never have a chance to succeed! they will get bored after the first few weeks or when they are promoted in a stronger division! Do we really need strong teams vs low teams ending up 13-0 all the time? Don't think so!
I am posting you some links with some matches in real life. Where MESSI and C RONALDO played!
Barca 23 shots 2 goals Chelsea 7 shots 2 goals http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/258580/report
Portugal 1 N ireland 1 Portugal 23 goal attempts scored 1 goal N Ireland 6 attempts scored 1 goal and they were winning till 80th min or so! http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/match/2012/oct/16/portugal-v-northernireland
I can find you much more like these.
I ve been playing this game for a long time like most of you and every time ME is changed every time people grumble and find an excuse for their results (sometimes I do it as well!). Its like when in real life you lose and blame the referee.
We ask for a "realistic" sokker but than we pretend that the best team always win.
I know that for people like me who has been playing this game for a long time sometimes all these changes are annoying, but keep in mind few things.
1) In reality not all best teams wins everytime despite being better. eg Saturday Norwich 1 - Arsenal 0 Arsenal are much better than Norwich but they lost! Shall we ask FIFA to change the rules? Man City were losing till the last 10mins against WBA with WBA scoring from their first chance created whilst Man City were dominating the game despite playing with 10 players, N Ireland vs Portugal 1 - 1 with N Ireland scoring from their only chance and they were winning till the 80min if I am not mistaken. I can mention hundreds of games that end up this way.
2) Does everytime Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo dribble all their opponents and score? I guess no! sometimes they are well marked by very low skilled defenders. Eg. Italia vs Malta 2-0 Andrea Pirlo was outclassed from the match by an unknown maltese player. That does not make the maltese player better than Pirlo! He was better on the night. Mentioned Pirlo because at the moment he is in Superdivine form! another eg. Barcellona vs Chelsea last season. Barcellona dominated and Chelsea scored the only 2 chances created!
Moreover one has to keep in mind that before we had games with ratings 60 vs 35 now we have 80 vs 65/70 which makes the game more close I guess with players from low teams doing less mistakes because they have better skills.
Moreover a super divine keeper can also do mistakes (Hart vs Poland , Neuer vs Sweeden, Julio Cesar vs Everton) and sometimes you have a good keeper who on the day manages to play like a super divine keeper.
I play other manager games (not online) like football manager, I buy the best players and still dont win everygame.
I think that would be really boring and would get me leave the game immediately. The good thing about change is that it keeps you motivated and makes you adapt yourself to the new ME. It does not mean that the ME is perfect! far from it!.
I know most of you wont agree with me but this is how I look at it personally.
If all the games are "planned" i.e the best team always win, best strikers score most of the chances created, Best keepers save most of the chances etc etc football would be very boring and I am sure Sokker will be that way as well.
I am sure neither this way will get new people playing the game cause like that they never have a chance to succeed! they will get bored after the first few weeks or when they are promoted in a stronger division! Do we really need strong teams vs low teams ending up 13-0 all the time? Don't think so!
The main difference is that I dont ask for a realistic sokker. Isn't the headline: bored with FOOTBALL REALITY? I want a nice and enjoyable game. Yes, I like backpassing from mid to def and lauch/run, but only when they make sense. Wingers who hardly ever try to break through, strikers who launch in the 16m area instead of shoot, passes from mids to opponents strikers, horrible passes when att have a clean shot, ... are NOT what I expect from a manager game.
I love some the adaptations they made, meaning; the idea. I dont like HOW they did it, nor do I like the stupid adaptations like superhero strikers. And I certainly dont like it that they throw it in the game without testing.
About results: of course 'stupid' results are part of it. Maybe it's the only part where 'enjoyable' might be 'not true', but they should be in the game. But i'd love to see a comparison of shock results in this game vs shock results irl (like the ones you mention). Imo there are too many of those in sokker.
I love some the adaptations they made, meaning; the idea. I dont like HOW they did it, nor do I like the stupid adaptations like superhero strikers. And I certainly dont like it that they throw it in the game without testing.
About results: of course 'stupid' results are part of it. Maybe it's the only part where 'enjoyable' might be 'not true', but they should be in the game. But i'd love to see a comparison of shock results in this game vs shock results irl (like the ones you mention). Imo there are too many of those in sokker.
dont get me wrong....I am not saying that some things are not bad with this ME but I dont think it is that bad! I agree with you that maybe sometimes we are the testers instead of testing the ME before releasing it.
Moreover to be fair you must quote ALL the title not part of it only!
Bored with the football reality? Do you think you are capable of running a team better than the league managers.
Personally I prefer a game which is the most realistic to normal soccer otherwise I would play other games like Sunday League Soccer. But this is my opinion and I can accept that others prefer things differently.
The once I mentioned in real life apart from Chelsea vs Barca all of them happened last week!
Moreover to be fair you must quote ALL the title not part of it only!
Bored with the football reality? Do you think you are capable of running a team better than the league managers.
Personally I prefer a game which is the most realistic to normal soccer otherwise I would play other games like Sunday League Soccer. But this is my opinion and I can accept that others prefer things differently.
The once I mentioned in real life apart from Chelsea vs Barca all of them happened last week!
Maybe Greg is going to prove me wrong but I'm 99% sure that in matches of two teams where one of that teams is much stronger, most of the duels are biased.
I´m actually pretty sure this is true aswell. I noticed it years ago. especially weaker side´s gk and strikers, almost always, act much stronger than they really are :P
I´m actually pretty sure this is true aswell. I noticed it years ago. especially weaker side´s gk and strikers, almost always, act much stronger than they really are :P
passes from mids to opponents strikers,
I think you should fire Boffin
I think you should fire Boffin
I did the same.
On a positive note:
It´s just an incredible relief, that I don´t have to watch the crappy games and invest time in now pretty useless tactics anymore.
Great point!
On a positive note:
It´s just an incredible relief, that I don´t have to watch the crappy games and invest time in now pretty useless tactics anymore.
Great point!
please GREG, change something.... i cannot support these injuries in my team.
Well, it's because of your nickname. Wenger always has injury problems at Arsenal :)