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Subject: New match engine discussion
ok, you agree with this, pay PLUS
later with this attitude you will pay PLUS to be able to have training
later to be able to eat or to drink
or to take air...
it is your choice, I will not support this company, so I will not pay anything more and I will not be tutor - it is my choice, I am not a sheep to wait what more I should do even if befero I could do it
later with this attitude you will pay PLUS to be able to have training
later to be able to eat or to drink
or to take air...
it is your choice, I will not support this company, so I will not pay anything more and I will not be tutor - it is my choice, I am not a sheep to wait what more I should do even if befero I could do it
or please, at least stop to use arguments - number of user is the same (yes, somewhere is the bottom and you will not go lower), this decision was good
later you will find that there is not so much money like before, so let's pay more for plus
or stop something other to push other to pay (or definetly to leave?)
no one is caring about real users, noone is caring about ideas how to improve
only one what to care about is MONEY, MONEY and MONEY
later you will find that there is not so much money like before, so let's pay more for plus
or stop something other to push other to pay (or definetly to leave?)
no one is caring about real users, noone is caring about ideas how to improve
only one what to care about is MONEY, MONEY and MONEY
later with this attitude you will pay PLUS to be able to have training
This comment makes absolutely no sense at all. Plus gives no benefits in the game, except for the possibility to watch matches of other managers.
later to be able to eat or to drink
or to take air...
And these are the usual dramaqueen comments that follow the previous kind of comments. Not worth discussing :/
I am not a sheep
Plus managers aren't sheep either, maybe even less as most of the Plus managers who stop paying for Plus because they are influenced by the chronic complainers.
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This comment makes absolutely no sense at all. Plus gives no benefits in the game, except for the possibility to watch matches of other managers.
later to be able to eat or to drink
or to take air...
And these are the usual dramaqueen comments that follow the previous kind of comments. Not worth discussing :/
I am not a sheep
Plus managers aren't sheep either, maybe even less as most of the Plus managers who stop paying for Plus because they are influenced by the chronic complainers.
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only one what to care about is MONEY, MONEY and MONEY
LOL! If this was even a tiny bit true, the DEVs are wasting a lot of their (free) time on something that will never ever make them rich!
Money is needed to make sure this game can exist and also to make sure it can be played for free by many managers. In real life most people would be happy to get something for free ..... :/
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LOL! If this was even a tiny bit true, the DEVs are wasting a lot of their (free) time on something that will never ever make them rich!
Money is needed to make sure this game can exist and also to make sure it can be played for free by many managers. In real life most people would be happy to get something for free ..... :/
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no sense to discussd with you...
wish you all the best
wish you all the best
I can discuss bad dicisions made by the DEVs, I can discuss Sokker, etc etc. But it's impossible to discuss this with someone who is making things up, is completely overreacting and is acting like a drama queen.
So it's not me who is the problem, it are your comments that are the problem and makes it impossible to have a normal discussion.
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So it's not me who is the problem, it are your comments that are the problem and makes it impossible to have a normal discussion.
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from your point of view this decision was correct and should help sokker - you don't want to change your opinion
from my point of view it is the biggest stupidity ever for sokker and it is killing this game - I will not change my opinion if I will listen only arguments like "something should pay it" (what was paying it before?), "something shold pay development" (which one?), "number of users is the same even if this stupidity" (yes, because it is so low that it probably cannot be lower as there are so many users who love this game mainly because of forum, cummunity, training... and not wathing matches).
so what to discuss? There is no way ho to get closer, so we both are just wasting time even if probably we both would like to improve sokker.
from my point of view it is the biggest stupidity ever for sokker and it is killing this game - I will not change my opinion if I will listen only arguments like "something should pay it" (what was paying it before?), "something shold pay development" (which one?), "number of users is the same even if this stupidity" (yes, because it is so low that it probably cannot be lower as there are so many users who love this game mainly because of forum, cummunity, training... and not wathing matches).
so what to discuss? There is no way ho to get closer, so we both are just wasting time even if probably we both would like to improve sokker.
I am coming late to this discussion. But, I would like to add my two cents worth:
Sokker was a decent game when I joined in 2007. In 2009, the community was working with difficulty through some new ME changes, and I left to finish school and take a promotion. I came back to the game in 2012 after finishing my Bachelors degree. I understand there will always be arguments over the ME and how it mirrors (or not) real life. I realize everyone will not be satisfied with the ME. But, I do expect a game to get real functional improvements. The changes I saw when I returned were not encouraging.
Then, along comes 3-d viewer...which is mostly worthless for any game use other than viewing. Even that is limited because you have to zoom in so far you can't follow the game. That was when I stopped buying Plus. I refuse to pay for useless developments. And, there were match engine changes that totally altered how players function, what training was needed, and tactical planning for a good team. There was a poll at about that time involving a list of stuff that Sokker could have to improve it. None of it had anything to do with actually improving the game, only getting more new users and their money. Now, along comes waiting 10 minutes to view your game, if you are non-plus. Non-plus users are going to wait that long to review the effectiveness of their tactics? And, this is an incentive to stay with the game? Really? It seems pretty obvious there is no plan to actually improve the game.
Sadly, this game is little more than a time waster for me now. Though, it probably won't be for much longer. I keep hoping it will get better, because I enjoyed it so much. But...
Sokker was a decent game when I joined in 2007. In 2009, the community was working with difficulty through some new ME changes, and I left to finish school and take a promotion. I came back to the game in 2012 after finishing my Bachelors degree. I understand there will always be arguments over the ME and how it mirrors (or not) real life. I realize everyone will not be satisfied with the ME. But, I do expect a game to get real functional improvements. The changes I saw when I returned were not encouraging.
Then, along comes 3-d viewer...which is mostly worthless for any game use other than viewing. Even that is limited because you have to zoom in so far you can't follow the game. That was when I stopped buying Plus. I refuse to pay for useless developments. And, there were match engine changes that totally altered how players function, what training was needed, and tactical planning for a good team. There was a poll at about that time involving a list of stuff that Sokker could have to improve it. None of it had anything to do with actually improving the game, only getting more new users and their money. Now, along comes waiting 10 minutes to view your game, if you are non-plus. Non-plus users are going to wait that long to review the effectiveness of their tactics? And, this is an incentive to stay with the game? Really? It seems pretty obvious there is no plan to actually improve the game.
Sadly, this game is little more than a time waster for me now. Though, it probably won't be for much longer. I keep hoping it will get better, because I enjoyed it so much. But...
It's very sad that game is dying so fast. There are users who want to buy it and I believe it would be awesome return of sokker but nobody wants to sell it I'm afraid....
It's not for sale at any price so nobody talked about the price. I dont remember the user, marco van basten if there is such, somebody from Holland if I remember correctly. There are a lot of businessmen here who would think about it.
Some plus users support non-plus users by stoping they'r plus... Somme just talk, just like you...
I agree with coach2live..
the game has gotten worse since i joined.. and it is becoming cumbersome.. i would have left this summer, but have invested a couple years of my time.. and wasn't quite ready to leave.. even though i am very disappointed with the ME and the changes over the last year..
I never even use the 3d viewer.. i think its a total bust.. the game imo was a hit because it was a tactical battle.. and it seems that is something they have gotten away from.. really a bummer in my opinion.. instead of improving a good game.. they ruined it..
the game has gotten worse since i joined.. and it is becoming cumbersome.. i would have left this summer, but have invested a couple years of my time.. and wasn't quite ready to leave.. even though i am very disappointed with the ME and the changes over the last year..
I never even use the 3d viewer.. i think its a total bust.. the game imo was a hit because it was a tactical battle.. and it seems that is something they have gotten away from.. really a bummer in my opinion.. instead of improving a good game.. they ruined it..
Some plus users support non-plus users by stoping they'r plus... Somme just talk, just like you...
No, you are wrong, I'm a staff member so I actually do something for Sokker. And I also discuss the problems and strange decisions with the DEVs when I get the change.
People like you are the ones who do nothing other then complaining on the forums, which is useless as it won't change a thing and is only bad for Sokker (eg all the negativity on the forums will make managers leave!).
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No, you are wrong, I'm a staff member so I actually do something for Sokker. And I also discuss the problems and strange decisions with the DEVs when I get the change.
People like you are the ones who do nothing other then complaining on the forums, which is useless as it won't change a thing and is only bad for Sokker (eg all the negativity on the forums will make managers leave!).
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I don't think people talking so in forums is bad for the game, if there were no true. so it isn't a clever sentence