Subject: »Do you like the new ME?

maybe i should try this at wc semi-final!:)

Good idea :) Either you will find the holly graal of sokker, or you're gonna be lynched by your fellow countrymen :P

The difference is that Don Enzo actually tried something and his text support his findings, that's something else as complaining based on assumptions, feelings and lost matches ;)

I think your wrong because 1st of all, many users has written his experiences with the ME, moreover than complaines but you guys just saw it like complaines based on "assumptions and feelings and lost matches", and many of this experiences are valid ways of "trying" the normal and common manner to play sokker.

So don enzo try a none convencional way of play to demostrate that the ME is wrong, so this is what we should did all this time? ¬¬

Thank God he won :) Imagine he would've lost the game, we would've had this engine for life :))

I think it's wrong to judge the ME after a singular experiment (such Don Enzo 's one was).
But, obviously, the distribution on every event is modeled as wide as an unsatisfied woman can be. And there's no experiment needed to prove this. Just take a look on matches between bot teams, where tactics doesn't matter and players are pretty similar. The very wide distribution of results in this kind of matches is the really prove that random rules.

I think your wrong because 1st of all, many users has written his experiences with the ME, moreover than complaines but you guys just saw it like complaines based on "assumptions and feelings and lost matches", and many of this experiences are valid ways of "trying" the normal and common manner to play sokker.

Not all was complaining, some posts were useful and copied to show the DEVs.

So don enzo try a none convencional way of play to demostrate that the ME is wrong, so this is what we should did all this time? ¬¬

I didn't say that, so no, this is absolutely not the only way to do it, but it could show something is not working ok by this non conventional way of trying it.

have you bought shares of sokker? bad business...

Just take a look on matches between bot teams, where tactics doesn't matter and players are pretty similar. The very wide distribution of results in this kind of matches is the really prove that random rules.

+1
can't agree more

I have to admit, the disparity of player performance (high rated players consistently playing worse than lower rated players) has me so frustrated I don't bother to adjust my tactics much anymore. I watch the games of teams much better than me and wonder what the hell is going on that they would play so badly, when older games were played much better (and, yes, I remember a lot of older games...some you can still watch, too). This is not realistic. It is not fair. The game outputs are not even consistent.

That said, I love the game. I see the potential in it. I just wonder when it will be come a reality.

I was on a trip this days so I didn't follow what people say on this topic.

This sunday match was very strange. Has the ME change in this days?

http://online.sokker.org/comment.php?matchID=19797242


I won the match, I am glad with result. I saw it in 2d it was strange, players run really TOO fast, and there have been so much goals.

have you bought shares of sokker? bad business...

Why do you ask, because I report the useful comments to the DEVs about strange things, bugs and problems with the ME? (btw, this comment to you makes as much sense as yours to me ;/)

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it's getting better guys stop whining
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Technic and deffence are important to all players
Thats why there s no penalty to train these skills to all potitions

My opininion is,we no need auto marc deffenders
to make a good tactic was the best part of sokker
I want to see my players playin exactly like the skill they have
if i have slow player from my opponet then he must run slow,now all are the same...
the only way to beat better team must be the tactic

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hm, ok, but if you have tried this with the old ME, you may have seen there isnt such a great difference.
the special skills for one player have never been so important in this game. it has always been a distribution of skills from the whole team. so it was always important, that your def players also have striker skills and your strikers def skills.
the great change is, that the visuals can not camouflage as good as before, that there are no real live situations in this game. the whole thing is prediction itself and the players just react. ME creates a match, not the players themselfes. this is a big difference and the reason for why special skills in special situations are not as important as the managers want them to be.

Agree. For me always has been in this way. Is stated in rules: attackers needs defense. Players need technique to control the ball. I've been always playing in total football system, althoug some times was hard for me fight against long pass + wing + headers. When I bought a defender I prefered technical players, and to buy a forward those with some defense skill. Now it seems ME is mad for this, but my matches are nice to see (more than before) and as result is not so predictable the game is more exciting, less mathematical.
Another question is how afects form, stamina, playmaking... and now how afects BMI in speed up.
Isn't so easy to afirm what happens in many of the thing that happens in the field. For me, now it's time to learn how to get the better performance from my players, and this may take a long time.

You keep saying that, but what evidence do you have to substantiate your claim? To me it just looks more or less like the same misery match after match. The misery so clearly demonstrated by Don Enzo. Good players just underperform, while bad players/talents appears buffed up. For instance I have a young striker trainee with very good PM and good passing that generally has been able to play ball just as good and fast as the other striker trainee with brilliant PM and unearthly passing during the past month.

It is just laughable that Don Enzo can put two pure defenders in front that is able to slip past the opponents (real) defense and create opportunities - let alone pass a decent keeper with presumably low striker skills (ok one of the goals was a shot that the keeper deflected, then hit a defender and ended up as an own goal).

When I bought a defender I prefered technical players, and to buy a forward those with some defense skill.

Yes obviously it should pay off to have some degree of defense on a striker and some degree of technique on a defender (for the recieving/handling of the ball alone), but it should not pay off to actually neglect the primary skills like Don Enzo did - like having defenders without defender skill or strikers without striker skills :)