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When I bought a defender I prefered technical players, and to buy a forward those with some defense skill.
Yes obviously it should pay off to have some degree of defense on a striker and some degree of technique on a defender (for the recieving/handling of the ball alone), but it should not pay off to actually neglect the primary skills like Don Enzo did - like having defenders without defender skill or strikers without striker skills :)
Yes obviously it should pay off to have some degree of defense on a striker and some degree of technique on a defender (for the recieving/handling of the ball alone), but it should not pay off to actually neglect the primary skills like Don Enzo did - like having defenders without defender skill or strikers without striker skills :)
could you paste pls skills from your shuffled team? i see defs at striker, and strikers at def. how your strikers defended the enemy?
Sure! This was the lineup:
Goalkeeper
Jacozinho Saturnino , age 35
value: 2 053 000 u$s
wage: 30 700 u$s
formidable [11] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina unearthly [16] keeper
brilliant [14] pace unsatisfactory [2] defender
weak [4] technique poor [3] playmaker
solid [8] passing hopeless [1] striker
Defenders
Beppe Marcovecchio , age 23
value: 838 500 u$s
wage: 11 100 u$s
good [7] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina tragic [0] keeper
outstanding [12] pace formidable [11] defender
unearthly [16] technique incredible [13] playmaker
excellent [10] passing weak [4] striker
Nică Pintea , age 27
value: 1 549 500 u$s
wage: 17 475 u$s
incredible [13] form
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
brilliant [14] pace brilliant [14] defender
unearthly [16] technique brilliant [14] playmaker
brilliant [14] passing solid [8] striker
Stelică Juncu , age 27
value: 1 495 250 u$s
wage: 15 200 u$s
divine [17] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina tragic [0] keeper
unearthly [16] pace formidable [11] defender
magical [15] technique incredible [13] playmaker
brilliant [14] passing average [5] striker
Roni Koliva, age 27
value: 1 114 000 u$s
wage: 12 725 u$s
incredible [13] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
unearthly [16] pace average [5] defender
brilliant [14] technique weak [4] playmaker
average [5] passing brilliant [14] striker
Middlefielders
Melchor Krukower, age 20
value: 344 000 u$s
wage: 2 650 u$s
divine [17] form
bookings:
adequate [6] stamina tragic [0] keeper
outstanding [12] pace very good [9] defender
average [5] technique very good [9] playmaker
very good [9] passing solid [8] striker
Amadeo Scheuer, age 27
value: 1 665 000 u$s
wage: 16 550 u$s
superdivine [17] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
unearthly [16] pace formidable [11] defender
incredible [13] technique outstanding [12] playmaker
unearthly [16] passing solid [8] striker
Eratosthenis Kipoyros , age 23
value: 1 015 250 u$s
wage: 9 250 u$s
unearthly [16] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
magical [15] pace adequate [6] defender
outstanding [12] technique outstanding [12] playmaker
brilliant [14] passing good [7] striker
Forwards:
Facundo Monzón , age 29
value: 1 303 250 u$s
wage: 21 475 u$s
average [5] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
divine [17] pace superdivine [17] defender
solid [8] technique adequate [6] playmaker
adequate [6] passing average [5] striker
Móric Tuhý , age 29
value: 1 099 500 u$s
wage: 15 275 u$s
excellent [10] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina tragic [0] keeper
brilliant [14] pace superdivine [17] defender
average [5] technique adequate [6] playmaker
solid [8] passing average [5] striker
Ollie Rounthwaite , age 29
value: 1 059 250 u$s
wage: 17 725 u$s
weak [4] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
superdivine [17] pace magical [15] defender
excellent [10] technique excellent [10] playmaker
average [5] passing weak [4] striker
Substituted by:
János Országh , age 27
value: 1 019 750 u$s
wage: 20 750 u$s
tragic [0] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
superdivine [17] pace divine [17] defender
good [7] technique excellent [10] playmaker
excellent [10] passing average [5] striker
how your strikers defended the enemy?
Do you mean the ones playing with the ATT order or the ones with ATT skills? :P
Sure! This was the lineup:
Goalkeeper
Jacozinho Saturnino , age 35
value: 2 053 000 u$s
wage: 30 700 u$s
formidable [11] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina unearthly [16] keeper
brilliant [14] pace unsatisfactory [2] defender
weak [4] technique poor [3] playmaker
solid [8] passing hopeless [1] striker
Defenders
Beppe Marcovecchio , age 23
value: 838 500 u$s
wage: 11 100 u$s
good [7] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina tragic [0] keeper
outstanding [12] pace formidable [11] defender
unearthly [16] technique incredible [13] playmaker
excellent [10] passing weak [4] striker
Nică Pintea , age 27
value: 1 549 500 u$s
wage: 17 475 u$s
incredible [13] form
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
brilliant [14] pace brilliant [14] defender
unearthly [16] technique brilliant [14] playmaker
brilliant [14] passing solid [8] striker
Stelică Juncu , age 27
value: 1 495 250 u$s
wage: 15 200 u$s
divine [17] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina tragic [0] keeper
unearthly [16] pace formidable [11] defender
magical [15] technique incredible [13] playmaker
brilliant [14] passing average [5] striker
Roni Koliva, age 27
value: 1 114 000 u$s
wage: 12 725 u$s
incredible [13] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
unearthly [16] pace average [5] defender
brilliant [14] technique weak [4] playmaker
average [5] passing brilliant [14] striker
Middlefielders
Melchor Krukower, age 20
value: 344 000 u$s
wage: 2 650 u$s
divine [17] form
bookings:
adequate [6] stamina tragic [0] keeper
outstanding [12] pace very good [9] defender
average [5] technique very good [9] playmaker
very good [9] passing solid [8] striker
Amadeo Scheuer, age 27
value: 1 665 000 u$s
wage: 16 550 u$s
superdivine [17] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
unearthly [16] pace formidable [11] defender
incredible [13] technique outstanding [12] playmaker
unearthly [16] passing solid [8] striker
Eratosthenis Kipoyros , age 23
value: 1 015 250 u$s
wage: 9 250 u$s
unearthly [16] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
magical [15] pace adequate [6] defender
outstanding [12] technique outstanding [12] playmaker
brilliant [14] passing good [7] striker
Forwards:
Facundo Monzón , age 29
value: 1 303 250 u$s
wage: 21 475 u$s
average [5] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
divine [17] pace superdivine [17] defender
solid [8] technique adequate [6] playmaker
adequate [6] passing average [5] striker
Móric Tuhý , age 29
value: 1 099 500 u$s
wage: 15 275 u$s
excellent [10] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina tragic [0] keeper
brilliant [14] pace superdivine [17] defender
average [5] technique adequate [6] playmaker
solid [8] passing average [5] striker
Ollie Rounthwaite , age 29
value: 1 059 250 u$s
wage: 17 725 u$s
weak [4] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
superdivine [17] pace magical [15] defender
excellent [10] technique excellent [10] playmaker
average [5] passing weak [4] striker
Substituted by:
János Országh , age 27
value: 1 019 750 u$s
wage: 20 750 u$s
tragic [0] form
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
superdivine [17] pace divine [17] defender
good [7] technique excellent [10] playmaker
excellent [10] passing average [5] striker
how your strikers defended the enemy?
Do you mean the ones playing with the ATT order or the ones with ATT skills? :P
Mmm strange, that doesn't look good. I have copied your post and put on the Forum Sokker Linguists to show it to the DEVs and hopefully they do something about it.
Great! :)
Great! :)
And because of the auto-defense 5 DEFs in line aren't needed anymore, 3 or 4 should be enough.
Right. How do you think 3 defenders will manage against 3 strikers placed next to each other on the, lets say, left side of the field? Happy auto-covering :)
4 defenders can do it better, but will still have troubles with auto-covering 3 strikers (or 2 strikers and a wing), all placed a good length to one of the sides.
From what I see from observing various matches, 5 man defense is far from dead - in fact it provides even more coverage than before - having more players to auto-replace themself on top of the poor strikers. To force a gap in a 5 man defense you will have to position your strikers and wing in a way so that the defender(s) is dragged in both directions - effectively nullifying the auto-cover-thingie, but that requires preferably 3 offensive players imo.
Right. How do you think 3 defenders will manage against 3 strikers placed next to each other on the, lets say, left side of the field? Happy auto-covering :)
4 defenders can do it better, but will still have troubles with auto-covering 3 strikers (or 2 strikers and a wing), all placed a good length to one of the sides.
From what I see from observing various matches, 5 man defense is far from dead - in fact it provides even more coverage than before - having more players to auto-replace themself on top of the poor strikers. To force a gap in a 5 man defense you will have to position your strikers and wing in a way so that the defender(s) is dragged in both directions - effectively nullifying the auto-cover-thingie, but that requires preferably 3 offensive players imo.
but it should not pay off to actually neglect the primary skills like Don Enzo did - like having defenders without defender skill or strikers without striker skills :)
But this is a single match. I'm not sure that Don Enzo said 'without' that skill, but 'didn't care' about it. Tackling is tackling, and striking is striking; I can see in my players. But a defender that control the ball can get the ball before tackling. A poor tecnical defender first try to control and fails, so loose the ball and runs to tackle... he needs a lot of luck to do this always succesful. A good technical player can play better in a first touch play, so don't need to tackle to recontrol the ball...
There are many factors that makes influence in a match. I see how skills works in my players and my best striker is still my best striker and my best defender is still my best defender. But I always knew that if the play goes in a certain way, a good defender with high tecnique can result more usefull than a better defender with poor technique. For me, what happeneed in that match confirms the fact that you can be more creative when setting squad. :))
But this is a single match. I'm not sure that Don Enzo said 'without' that skill, but 'didn't care' about it. Tackling is tackling, and striking is striking; I can see in my players. But a defender that control the ball can get the ball before tackling. A poor tecnical defender first try to control and fails, so loose the ball and runs to tackle... he needs a lot of luck to do this always succesful. A good technical player can play better in a first touch play, so don't need to tackle to recontrol the ball...
There are many factors that makes influence in a match. I see how skills works in my players and my best striker is still my best striker and my best defender is still my best defender. But I always knew that if the play goes in a certain way, a good defender with high tecnique can result more usefull than a better defender with poor technique. For me, what happeneed in that match confirms the fact that you can be more creative when setting squad. :))
@sara:
the special skills for one player have never been so important in this game. it has always been a distribution of skills from the whole team. so it was always important, that your def players also have striker skills and your strikers def skills.
That is true, and I have nothing against every skill being useful to all players to some extent. What I don't like so much is being able to neglect techinque for strikers or defending for defenders :)
@marcozea:
Thank God he won :)
My supporters think the same! :P
@greuceanu:
I think it's wrong to judge the ME after a singular experiment (such Don Enzo 's one was)
Fair enough, one test is not a death sentence, although it does point in a particular direction.
As a general note: winning the match clearly makes everything funnier, but given the goal chances for both teams (and the fact that I had such terrible players finishing them :P) it could also have gone the other way around - but I think probabilities should be way more skewed to his side. And, if you have Plus and are interested in this match, forget stats and results and watch how it went ;)
the special skills for one player have never been so important in this game. it has always been a distribution of skills from the whole team. so it was always important, that your def players also have striker skills and your strikers def skills.
That is true, and I have nothing against every skill being useful to all players to some extent. What I don't like so much is being able to neglect techinque for strikers or defending for defenders :)
@marcozea:
Thank God he won :)
My supporters think the same! :P
@greuceanu:
I think it's wrong to judge the ME after a singular experiment (such Don Enzo 's one was)
Fair enough, one test is not a death sentence, although it does point in a particular direction.
As a general note: winning the match clearly makes everything funnier, but given the goal chances for both teams (and the fact that I had such terrible players finishing them :P) it could also have gone the other way around - but I think probabilities should be way more skewed to his side. And, if you have Plus and are interested in this match, forget stats and results and watch how it went ;)
Yeah. Creative as in "lets take all my 11 starters, shuffle them in my dice cup, and then throw them out on the tactical editor board" ;)
No of course we will need more people to repeat Don Enzo's experiment in the following weeks. I'm not sure I have the balls, do you? :)
No of course we will need more people to repeat Don Enzo's experiment in the following weeks. I'm not sure I have the balls, do you? :)
No of course we will need more people to repeat Don Enzo's experiment in the following weeks.
Sure.
I'm not sure I have the balls, do you? :)
I have but i don't want. I'm playing very well :))
Sure.
I'm not sure I have the balls, do you? :)
I have but i don't want. I'm playing very well :))
No of course we will need more people to repeat Don Enzo's experiment in the following weeks.
Sure.
I'm not sure I have the balls, do you? :)
I have but i don't want. I'm playing very well :))
Sure.
I'm not sure I have the balls, do you? :)
I have but i don't want. I'm playing very well :))
But this is a single match. I'm not sure that Don Enzo said 'without' that skill, but 'didn't care' about it. Tackling is tackling, and striking is striking; I can see in my players. But a defender that control the ball can get the ball before tackling. A poor tecnical defender first try to control and fails, so loose the ball and runs to tackle... he needs a lot of luck to do this always succesful. A good technical player can play better in a first touch play, so don't need to tackle to recontrol the ball...
Yes, and it has always worked like that, so techinque was certainly valued in defenders, etc. But I have the impression the balance between dribbling and tackle has changed, with strikers failing to control the ball more often, in the end relying more on defendind, hence the test. Morover, I also think the frequency of a particularly annoying play has increased: the striker tries to "launch and run", but he's not that skilled and sends the ball to far away, with defenders too close. A defender easily controls the ball, but then is tackled by the same striker, who continued to run forward. By doing this, the striker dribbles frontally without that much techinque against a divine defender. In a sense, it rewards a mediocre technique striker with some defense (remember that he's tackling from the front, so he doesn't need that much to beat a less-than-NT defender) over a high technique forward with whatever defense (since he's not losing the ball in the first place, he doesn't get to use his defending skill). In my match, my "forwards" actually benefited a lot from their own inability to control the ball: rather than cotnrolling it and then being tackle, their low technique made them to bounce the ball, and if there was some opponent nearby, they could immediately try to steal it back (if not cleared quikcly enough).
So it is OK to reward multi-skilled players, but sometiomes the ME rewards "conveniently unskilled" players :P
Yes, and it has always worked like that, so techinque was certainly valued in defenders, etc. But I have the impression the balance between dribbling and tackle has changed, with strikers failing to control the ball more often, in the end relying more on defendind, hence the test. Morover, I also think the frequency of a particularly annoying play has increased: the striker tries to "launch and run", but he's not that skilled and sends the ball to far away, with defenders too close. A defender easily controls the ball, but then is tackled by the same striker, who continued to run forward. By doing this, the striker dribbles frontally without that much techinque against a divine defender. In a sense, it rewards a mediocre technique striker with some defense (remember that he's tackling from the front, so he doesn't need that much to beat a less-than-NT defender) over a high technique forward with whatever defense (since he's not losing the ball in the first place, he doesn't get to use his defending skill). In my match, my "forwards" actually benefited a lot from their own inability to control the ball: rather than cotnrolling it and then being tackle, their low technique made them to bounce the ball, and if there was some opponent nearby, they could immediately try to steal it back (if not cleared quikcly enough).
So it is OK to reward multi-skilled players, but sometiomes the ME rewards "conveniently unskilled" players :P
Maybe if defenders were more inteligent. If they doesn't go direct to the opponent's striker and might loose the ball. In reality defenders doesn't loose so many balls to opponent's strikers during a match. They kick or pass very fast to avoid losing the ball near your goal.
Either way, I don't think it's the only problem of new ME. I think it's the lack of importance of tactics. Many people complaining is because they want to create good tactics to win. This ME gives more importance to good players and a lot of luck. BOT's matches, or matches with same players, same or different tactics, they are showing that.
I think people are missing the challenge of create tactics to win opponents since the importance of tactics has reduced. A good tactic might increase your chance to win, but this increase is much smaller than before in the old ME.
Training strategy is very important in any manager game indeed, but tactics should be more important than it is with this new ME. In the bug/ideas I gave some options of orders to players, instead of only placing them in the field. That might increase tactics more important such as passing style, tackling option, defense mentality, individual orders and so on. Hope some of them will be implemented and tactics can be more important. I think people are missing that.
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Either way, I don't think it's the only problem of new ME. I think it's the lack of importance of tactics. Many people complaining is because they want to create good tactics to win. This ME gives more importance to good players and a lot of luck. BOT's matches, or matches with same players, same or different tactics, they are showing that.
I think people are missing the challenge of create tactics to win opponents since the importance of tactics has reduced. A good tactic might increase your chance to win, but this increase is much smaller than before in the old ME.
Training strategy is very important in any manager game indeed, but tactics should be more important than it is with this new ME. In the bug/ideas I gave some options of orders to players, instead of only placing them in the field. That might increase tactics more important such as passing style, tackling option, defense mentality, individual orders and so on. Hope some of them will be implemented and tactics can be more important. I think people are missing that.
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I also think the frequency of a particularly annoying play has increased: the striker tries to "launch and run", but he's not that skilled and sends the ball to far away, with defenders too close.
Of course, like in RL, you'll don't see succesfull launch and run in this situation. Is a tactical issue.
but he's not that skilled and sends the ball to far away, with defenders too close.
In launch and run what is important is tec+experience, firstly. And then, good BMI to speed up and no defender too closer (defend can stop forward by gaining position). Here tactical positioning is important, too
A defender easily controls the ball, but then is tackled by the same striker, who continued to run forward.
Nice, this is how it has to work, for me. When defender is too high he is less efective in clear the ball or to make a pass, he is under pressure and needs good pm or better positioning.
By doing this, the striker dribbles frontally without that much techinque against a divine defender. In a sense, it rewards a mediocre technique striker with some defense (remember that he's tackling from the front, so he doesn't need that much to beat a less-than-NT defender) over a high technique forward with whatever defense (since he's not losing the ball in the first place, he doesn't get to use his defending skill)
In this situation, again, is the tactical positioning of the defender what makes him able to tackle frontally. I see in my matches, a good positioning of the defender makes the forward too hard to dribble, but when defender is bad positioned he is lost and the forward can find the hole. I'm sure my central defender can stop attcking players with defense skill + some tecnique to not loose control after tackling.
So, you are right in most of your apreciations, but I like the way it is. May be I can accept that some fine tuning can be done, but this is the way to play, for me.
My central defenderer (the best in tackling):
Melker Bergort , age 25
value: 1 158 750 €
wage: 11 550 €
divine [17] form
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
unearthly [16] pace magical [15] defender
outstanding [12] technique adequate [6] playmaker
adequate [6] passing adequate [6] striker
My free defender (the best in clearing and passing the ball after tackling)
Włodzimierz Wydro , age 30
value: 867 000 €
wage: 10 975 €
excellent [10] form
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
incredible [13] pace brilliant [14] defender
brilliant [14] technique formidable [11] playmaker
solid [8] passing very good [9] striker
My central striker (the best in shooting and stealing)
Oriol Perarnau, age 25
value: 979 000 €
wage: 8 800 €
divine [17] form
formidable [11] stamina tragic [0] keeper
outstanding [12] pace incredible [13] defender
outstanding [12] technique solid [8] playmaker
very good [9] passing magical [15] striker
My side forward (the best in dribbling and finding holes attacking from the side slant to center)
Milenko Lakićević , age 25
value: 843 250 €
wage: 7 800 €
divine [17] form
formidable [11] stamina tragic [0] keeper
brilliant [14] pace adequate [6] defender
brilliant [14] technique good [7] playmaker
solid [8] passing brilliant [14] striker
Of course, like in RL, you'll don't see succesfull launch and run in this situation. Is a tactical issue.
but he's not that skilled and sends the ball to far away, with defenders too close.
In launch and run what is important is tec+experience, firstly. And then, good BMI to speed up and no defender too closer (defend can stop forward by gaining position). Here tactical positioning is important, too
A defender easily controls the ball, but then is tackled by the same striker, who continued to run forward.
Nice, this is how it has to work, for me. When defender is too high he is less efective in clear the ball or to make a pass, he is under pressure and needs good pm or better positioning.
By doing this, the striker dribbles frontally without that much techinque against a divine defender. In a sense, it rewards a mediocre technique striker with some defense (remember that he's tackling from the front, so he doesn't need that much to beat a less-than-NT defender) over a high technique forward with whatever defense (since he's not losing the ball in the first place, he doesn't get to use his defending skill)
In this situation, again, is the tactical positioning of the defender what makes him able to tackle frontally. I see in my matches, a good positioning of the defender makes the forward too hard to dribble, but when defender is bad positioned he is lost and the forward can find the hole. I'm sure my central defender can stop attcking players with defense skill + some tecnique to not loose control after tackling.
So, you are right in most of your apreciations, but I like the way it is. May be I can accept that some fine tuning can be done, but this is the way to play, for me.
My central defenderer (the best in tackling):
Melker Bergort , age 25
value: 1 158 750 €
wage: 11 550 €
divine [17] form
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
unearthly [16] pace magical [15] defender
outstanding [12] technique adequate [6] playmaker
adequate [6] passing adequate [6] striker
My free defender (the best in clearing and passing the ball after tackling)
Włodzimierz Wydro , age 30
value: 867 000 €
wage: 10 975 €
excellent [10] form
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
incredible [13] pace brilliant [14] defender
brilliant [14] technique formidable [11] playmaker
solid [8] passing very good [9] striker
My central striker (the best in shooting and stealing)
Oriol Perarnau, age 25
value: 979 000 €
wage: 8 800 €
divine [17] form
formidable [11] stamina tragic [0] keeper
outstanding [12] pace incredible [13] defender
outstanding [12] technique solid [8] playmaker
very good [9] passing magical [15] striker
My side forward (the best in dribbling and finding holes attacking from the side slant to center)
Milenko Lakićević , age 25
value: 843 250 €
wage: 7 800 €
divine [17] form
formidable [11] stamina tragic [0] keeper
brilliant [14] pace adequate [6] defender
brilliant [14] technique good [7] playmaker
solid [8] passing brilliant [14] striker
For instance I have a young striker trainee with very good PM and good passing that generally has been able to play ball just as good and fast as the other striker trainee with brilliant PM and unearthly passing during the past month.
This weekend I had my trainee MID to play because I havent bought 11 th senior player. He preformed admirably and passed around even better than my 15/15 or 16/15 pass/play mids. His skills are here:
Boris Pislar, age 18
value: 802 000 kn
wage: 10 400 kn
solid [8] form
adequate [6] stamina poor [3] keeper
good [7] pace average [5] defender
weak [4] technique adequate [6] playmaker
very good [9] passing solid [8] striker
Right. How do you think 3 defenders will manage against 3 strikers placed next to each other on the, lets say, left side of the field? Happy auto-covering :)
And in this U21 match U can see how "well" 3 def covers 3 atts :) It should be like tutorial on how not play sokker matches...
Kemk: Tackling is tackling, and striking is striking;
No it is not--have U looked how good mids and winger strike ball in this new ME. it seems that 8 in striking for mids and wingers seems like 14 in striking for att. My winger (when I played with one) often was cutting into the box and shooting from awkward angle with success. Now my Mids do similar thing plus striking from long distance shots that usually opponent keepers can hold on- both in u21 matches and club matches. Opponent gk's are mostly 15 + or even better
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This weekend I had my trainee MID to play because I havent bought 11 th senior player. He preformed admirably and passed around even better than my 15/15 or 16/15 pass/play mids. His skills are here:
Boris Pislar, age 18
value: 802 000 kn
wage: 10 400 kn
solid [8] form
adequate [6] stamina poor [3] keeper
good [7] pace average [5] defender
weak [4] technique adequate [6] playmaker
very good [9] passing solid [8] striker
Right. How do you think 3 defenders will manage against 3 strikers placed next to each other on the, lets say, left side of the field? Happy auto-covering :)
And in this U21 match U can see how "well" 3 def covers 3 atts :) It should be like tutorial on how not play sokker matches...
Kemk: Tackling is tackling, and striking is striking;
No it is not--have U looked how good mids and winger strike ball in this new ME. it seems that 8 in striking for mids and wingers seems like 14 in striking for att. My winger (when I played with one) often was cutting into the box and shooting from awkward angle with success. Now my Mids do similar thing plus striking from long distance shots that usually opponent keepers can hold on- both in u21 matches and club matches. Opponent gk's are mostly 15 + or even better
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Of course, like in RL, you'll don't see succesfull launch and run in this situation. Is a tactical issue.
I think you are missing the point, Kemk. Yo uhave to read all the sentences you quoted together, not 1 by 1 :P The launch and run should be reasonably unsuccesful as you say, but it [i]is[/is] succesful, because by sending it too far away he's able to tackle instead of being tackled. So the guy makes a bad dribble attempt and that leads to him keeping the ball...
Same with defenders: the case I'm describing is not a tactical issue. I'm describing a case where defenders are correctly (or luckily) positioned at a safe distance from striking and they are indeed going to make a front tackle. But, before they do, the forward gives the ball away to them. And then he goes and tackles them back. Of course, there may be some tactic design to avoid this, but it would be a very strange design (in which, basically, you'd need to place your defenders away from the ball's path, maybe even try side-tackling instead of front tackling, or other strange features).
I think you are missing the point, Kemk. Yo uhave to read all the sentences you quoted together, not 1 by 1 :P The launch and run should be reasonably unsuccesful as you say, but it [i]is[/is] succesful, because by sending it too far away he's able to tackle instead of being tackled. So the guy makes a bad dribble attempt and that leads to him keeping the ball...
Same with defenders: the case I'm describing is not a tactical issue. I'm describing a case where defenders are correctly (or luckily) positioned at a safe distance from striking and they are indeed going to make a front tackle. But, before they do, the forward gives the ball away to them. And then he goes and tackles them back. Of course, there may be some tactic design to avoid this, but it would be a very strange design (in which, basically, you'd need to place your defenders away from the ball's path, maybe even try side-tackling instead of front tackling, or other strange features).
Kemk: Tackling is tackling, and striking is striking;
No it is not-
Yes, not is not.
-have U looked how good mids and winger strike ball in this new ME. it seems that 8 in striking for mids and wingers seems like 14 in striking for att.
What I looked when good mids or winger strike the ball from long distance is related with his tec+striking skills. I never saw that 8 striker seeming 14 in striking.
My winger (when I played with one) often was cutting into the box and shooting from awkward angle with success.
But this is normal in RL, mids are able to score with tec+pm+striking+experience+speed up (bmi), too. Although what do you mean with succes? scoring or shooting on target?
Now my Mids do similar thing plus striking from long distance shots that usually opponent keepers can hold on- both in u21 matches and club matches. Opponent gk's are mostly 15 + or even better
Well, long shot succes are related with pm, because usually is bad positioning of the keeper (low TD or bad defense positioning) that generates a chance to make a succesfull shot. When this happens -a mid with normal striking scoring from long range- look the trajectory of the ball, usually is a pass, and other times is a lob shot; never is a straight hard shot without high striking level.
All play in a match are related with several factors, this is football. A good positioning has to be the essential of the play (tactics). Skills are important, but expecting higher numbers wining against lower numbers isn't football, although the higher numbers if well combined are further better than lower, and usually win the match who has better players when both teams give their best. But luck or random is important. In a manager game things are simbolized because the game can't reflect all and every situation in RL; we need symbolism to play.
Now, if a mid can beat a keeper because he had a good chance, we can asume that is a symbolism of the player having advantage from his better positioning in a certain moment. But you can't state this is going to happen often.
No it is not-
Yes, not is not.
-have U looked how good mids and winger strike ball in this new ME. it seems that 8 in striking for mids and wingers seems like 14 in striking for att.
What I looked when good mids or winger strike the ball from long distance is related with his tec+striking skills. I never saw that 8 striker seeming 14 in striking.
My winger (when I played with one) often was cutting into the box and shooting from awkward angle with success.
But this is normal in RL, mids are able to score with tec+pm+striking+experience+speed up (bmi), too. Although what do you mean with succes? scoring or shooting on target?
Now my Mids do similar thing plus striking from long distance shots that usually opponent keepers can hold on- both in u21 matches and club matches. Opponent gk's are mostly 15 + or even better
Well, long shot succes are related with pm, because usually is bad positioning of the keeper (low TD or bad defense positioning) that generates a chance to make a succesfull shot. When this happens -a mid with normal striking scoring from long range- look the trajectory of the ball, usually is a pass, and other times is a lob shot; never is a straight hard shot without high striking level.
All play in a match are related with several factors, this is football. A good positioning has to be the essential of the play (tactics). Skills are important, but expecting higher numbers wining against lower numbers isn't football, although the higher numbers if well combined are further better than lower, and usually win the match who has better players when both teams give their best. But luck or random is important. In a manager game things are simbolized because the game can't reflect all and every situation in RL; we need symbolism to play.
Now, if a mid can beat a keeper because he had a good chance, we can asume that is a symbolism of the player having advantage from his better positioning in a certain moment. But you can't state this is going to happen often.