Subject: »Do you like the new ME?

Kemk: Tackling is tackling, and striking is striking;

No it is not-

Yes, not is not.


-have U looked how good mids and winger strike ball in this new ME. it seems that 8 in striking for mids and wingers seems like 14 in striking for att.

What I looked when good mids or winger strike the ball from long distance is related with his tec+striking skills. I never saw that 8 striker seeming 14 in striking.

My winger (when I played with one) often was cutting into the box and shooting from awkward angle with success.

But this is normal in RL, mids are able to score with tec+pm+striking+experience+speed up (bmi), too. Although what do you mean with succes? scoring or shooting on target?

Now my Mids do similar thing plus striking from long distance shots that usually opponent keepers can hold on- both in u21 matches and club matches. Opponent gk's are mostly 15 + or even better

Well, long shot succes are related with pm, because usually is bad positioning of the keeper (low TD or bad defense positioning) that generates a chance to make a succesfull shot. When this happens -a mid with normal striking scoring from long range- look the trajectory of the ball, usually is a pass, and other times is a lob shot; never is a straight hard shot without high striking level.

All play in a match are related with several factors, this is football. A good positioning has to be the essential of the play (tactics). Skills are important, but expecting higher numbers wining against lower numbers isn't football, although the higher numbers if well combined are further better than lower, and usually win the match who has better players when both teams give their best. But luck or random is important. In a manager game things are simbolized because the game can't reflect all and every situation in RL; we need symbolism to play.

Now, if a mid can beat a keeper because he had a good chance, we can asume that is a symbolism of the player having advantage from his better positioning in a certain moment. But you can't state this is going to happen often.

A bit more about players.

I have 2 new youngs in my team:

Joan Carles Gallar, age 18
value: 188 250 €
wage: 2 125 €
good [7] form

average [5] stamina adequate [6] keeper
good [7] pace very good [9] defender
good [7] technique good [7] playmaker
excellent [10] passing solid [8] striker


Àngel Pallarols, age 18
value: 163 750 €
wage: 1 800 €
good [7] form

poor [3] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
weak [4] pace good [7] defender
weak [4] technique excellent [10] playmaker
solid [8] passing formidable [11] striker

I like both to be future ofensive mid and forwards.

Just to comment his attacking abilities: Gallar is better when dribbling, tackling, in less getting tired and solving 1 vs 1 situations. Pallerols is better when quickly passing after catching the ball and when shoting from long range. I can see it when they play.
When they play as ATT with ATT order they goes more straithgly to the goal, when they play as ATT with MID order they make more team play. When they act as ofensive MID with MID order they act distributing the play and pursuing rivals when the team loose the control of the ball. so their behaviour are related with where they play and who are they teammates, with strengh of rival and their close opponents... and much more.

Any indication on the MOD forums that they are looking at this?

Right. How do you think ... offensive players imo.

These kind of things I'm going to try out with the upcoming junior and friendly matches :)

agree
sokker without training and tactic is something else....
the devs has cansellet the tactic and training with new ME.....(when a low lvl def blocks 70-80% a very good forward)
(when ur bad player playin like the rest)
in my job i dont expect anyone to tell me if the result is good or bad ...i know it first of all,and if its bad i try to fix it
i think the devs no needs prove,they know...(meaby needs help for the bugs) i hope they dont want to make a game for kids
or for guys who want spent only a minute for a internet game...
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nice i beat the best team in my country 3-1 on tuesday

I don't understand my last championship match. I have got 2x divine defender, with unearthly form, but the opponent striker come in front of him, and dribble him easily, this isn't normal and so horrible. In the old ME it wasn't a problem for a 2x divine defender. So Why I buy such kind of defs, and why make a tactic? I can go with 2-3 defenders shortly.

We observed the same thing with one french manager in our championshp game too...

I have seen the same in my match. The only 2 explanations I could find is that it takes some steps before players speeding up, and weight (not sure if weight is already fully implemented). Both weren't implemented in the old ME so that can be a reason you didn't see this in the old ME as both didn't existed.
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after having checked 2 direct opponents which displayed a visible speeddifference in the miniworld cup last night which would in fact give the opposite result when it's bmi or even length related (like in the old me) i think such 'inexplicable' speeddifferences are actually the result of the defender vs attacker 'autocover' measures which were introduced.
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Today I also had a game, what was winnable, but the outcome was the same like previous week. My strikers acted like wooden legs. My slightly injured Polish defender made a stupid back pass to opponent`s striker and the score was 2:2. Then 3 minutes before the end of the game my opponent scored his winning goal. (Previous week my opponent got a winning goal at 90. minute, lol)

I have had so much bad luck recently, that it is getting depressful already. A season full of nightmares!

Can we please re-introduce difference in player skills? Its so annoying to see that the lower quality strikers you have and the less chances you have, the higher is your conversion rate. My "funny" match today ended 7-4 to me. My opponent had 7 shots and scores 4 goals which means a conversion rate of 57%. I had 19 chances and scores 7 goals which means a conversion rate of 37%. I have the by far better goalkeeper. He has average strikers in low form, and I have NT level strikers in high form.

An another thing. My opponent got a red card after just 2 min. to the defender covering the side where my winger is placed and my left side striker - leaving loads of space to them throughout the rest of the match. In the old engine you could count on this to give you a huge advantage, but now it seems the players can't handle if they have too much free space around them and none between themselves and the goal. Instead of taking direct advantage of obvious an gigantic opportunities to go towards a scoring chance, the ball is being passed or ping-ponged around to the extend that it feels like I'm playing a 1970's electronic pinball machine.
Could we just introduce some kind of intelligence in players? Skill based, experience based - whatever. Right now it feels like the players are just thinking: "If there is a player nearby, and I can see him, then I MUST pass the ball to him - independent of the given position on field or the situation".

first thing, totally +1, it's a pity

secondly, look at this match:

aesome performancing with 9 players (2 defenders with red card)

i was winning 3-0 on the 80 min. and my opponent got the 2nd red card. Obiously an advantage, because he achieved to draw the match in only 10 mins. no words about the chances to score.

this game is frustrating for the better players, there aren't any advantage for to be


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Unbelievable !!

win or not to win my league this season, I will sell my best players, there is no merit to win anymore neither to win CCC. My next challenge will be to earn more than 100 mln euro waiting for a intelligent and logic ME come back

This game is buggered , it's seriously getting worse week after week with all the stupidity

Please sort it out or you risk losing even more managers , its really a disgrace what you are doing greg , you should feel ashamed imho