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Subject: How do you watch the matches?
Only logical complaint
Things change when managers post constructive complaints, not the nagging that some are doing. Constructive complaints is feedback and feedback is very useful and can be used to make things better :)
And ofcourse I can't simply assume the silent majority is happy with all changes because they don't post on the forums, but on the other hand, managers that are happy won't post that much on the forums as unhappy people. But also the other way around doesn't count, that most are unhappy because of a small group do complain a lot on the forum with every change they don't agree with and/or make them loose matches they won in the past because of a to simplified ME.
For things like the martians faces and other graphic designs I think the community should be asked for their opinion, but that has everything to do with taste. The ME is something complete different and has not that much to do with taste but well working data, that is much more complicated and a lot of data/watched matches is needed to give good feedback, not only based on 1 or 2 matches (often by managers who lost a match and are pissed because of that and start posting their feelings).
If managers want to give feedback, please keep doing that as it is really helpful, but when it becomes oversimplified nagging (like 'ALL is bad' and 'NOTHING is good' etc), please don't as nothing can be done with these comments and will only screw up the atmosphere of the Sokker forum.
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Things change when managers post constructive complaints, not the nagging that some are doing. Constructive complaints is feedback and feedback is very useful and can be used to make things better :)
And ofcourse I can't simply assume the silent majority is happy with all changes because they don't post on the forums, but on the other hand, managers that are happy won't post that much on the forums as unhappy people. But also the other way around doesn't count, that most are unhappy because of a small group do complain a lot on the forum with every change they don't agree with and/or make them loose matches they won in the past because of a to simplified ME.
For things like the martians faces and other graphic designs I think the community should be asked for their opinion, but that has everything to do with taste. The ME is something complete different and has not that much to do with taste but well working data, that is much more complicated and a lot of data/watched matches is needed to give good feedback, not only based on 1 or 2 matches (often by managers who lost a match and are pissed because of that and start posting their feelings).
If managers want to give feedback, please keep doing that as it is really helpful, but when it becomes oversimplified nagging (like 'ALL is bad' and 'NOTHING is good' etc), please don't as nothing can be done with these comments and will only screw up the atmosphere of the Sokker forum.
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I use 2D. As much as I'd love to use 3D, as a non-plus user there's no way I can watch the matches simply because you're too far away from the action. Hopefully, the 3D for non-plus users is improved (although I'll most likely stick to 2D anyway though). If the devs took away the 2D match viewer without addressing the changes, 90% of the userbase will complain so (hopefully) that won't happen.
I have plus, and I prefer by far the 2D visor. Also in our forums other managers have manifested this preference too.
Though plus offers more options for 3D tunning, the result is yet far from being good enough in regard of full visual control, smoothness of movements and play, and user friendliness.
Ball is diminute. Camera does not follow the ball in many cases (the actions goes away for the side). In you change it for another different (as you can not move the focus of the camera at will), you lose perspective of the play (as you have to 'accomodate' your perception sudden change). Also, the movements are less natural, and in "jumps".
That is: unless 3D is enhanced a lot, I should recognize 2D visor superior to 3D in terms of usefulness and enjoyment. Maybe the devs could center temselves in polishing the visor towards these objectives.
That is: what I want (and I guess most managers too) is an useful tool which as the same time can offer an enjoyable result. I don't want to see the beards in the random faces of my players. I don't want to see the details of their shirts or shocks. I don't want to see a trepidant action that I can't follow. I dont' want to see a bad imitation of PES or FIFA 2K+.
What I WANT is to see my Sokker team's match, to enjoy it without headaches, and to be able to follow the action and to appreciate fully the results and possible needs of enhancements of my tactics. So, if the 2D offers me this, and 3D can't achieve a somewhat near result... I'll have to stick to 2D.
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Though plus offers more options for 3D tunning, the result is yet far from being good enough in regard of full visual control, smoothness of movements and play, and user friendliness.
Ball is diminute. Camera does not follow the ball in many cases (the actions goes away for the side). In you change it for another different (as you can not move the focus of the camera at will), you lose perspective of the play (as you have to 'accomodate' your perception sudden change). Also, the movements are less natural, and in "jumps".
That is: unless 3D is enhanced a lot, I should recognize 2D visor superior to 3D in terms of usefulness and enjoyment. Maybe the devs could center temselves in polishing the visor towards these objectives.
That is: what I want (and I guess most managers too) is an useful tool which as the same time can offer an enjoyable result. I don't want to see the beards in the random faces of my players. I don't want to see the details of their shirts or shocks. I don't want to see a trepidant action that I can't follow. I dont' want to see a bad imitation of PES or FIFA 2K+.
What I WANT is to see my Sokker team's match, to enjoy it without headaches, and to be able to follow the action and to appreciate fully the results and possible needs of enhancements of my tactics. So, if the 2D offers me this, and 3D can't achieve a somewhat near result... I'll have to stick to 2D.
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Ofcourse, players looking like giants on a way to small pitch was much better looking ....
I want to say I don't care about realism of sokker at all.
I want it enjoyable to play!
The players were too big? Not a problem
I can't see players in some pc's? It's a problem
the live is only 2d? not a problem
We get a 3d unusable for nonplus users? Problem.
Realism in sokker is something to search for only when the fun of players is guaranteed..
If sokker become perfect but not funny to play.. who'll continue to play.
So it's not only a question of communication, it's a question of customer satisfaction!!!
I want to say I don't care about realism of sokker at all.
I want it enjoyable to play!
The players were too big? Not a problem
I can't see players in some pc's? It's a problem
the live is only 2d? not a problem
We get a 3d unusable for nonplus users? Problem.
Realism in sokker is something to search for only when the fun of players is guaranteed..
If sokker become perfect but not funny to play.. who'll continue to play.
So it's not only a question of communication, it's a question of customer satisfaction!!!
totally agree, extra is that communication is part of satisfaction!
I watch the game in 3D mode with pleasure
has many more options better graphics and with the stadium camera i can watch like 2D mode but within a much better environment
I like also and the goal camera with the appropriate options
*(one thing that I miss is the rewind button in the not live matches but that still does not exist in neither one nor the other choice)
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has many more options better graphics and with the stadium camera i can watch like 2D mode but within a much better environment
I like also and the goal camera with the appropriate options
*(one thing that I miss is the rewind button in the not live matches but that still does not exist in neither one nor the other choice)
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I had not seen until today the 'marvellous change' thae have itroduced to the 2D visor.
Playes now seem dwarven hyperathletes. The sensation of smoothness and realism it had has been lost (forever?).
It was really necessary to mess with something that was working OK? Why? In order to 'promote' the 3D visor, by ruining the free one?
Playes now seem dwarven hyperathletes. The sensation of smoothness and realism it had has been lost (forever?).
It was really necessary to mess with something that was working OK? Why? In order to 'promote' the 3D visor, by ruining the free one?
Agreed, I just can't follow whats going on properly with the 3D viewer.
There is some simple changes that need to be made:
- Non-plus users should get a clearer and easier to follow default view (stadium camera perhaps).
- The players and especially the ball should be made bigger.
There is some simple changes that need to be made:
- Non-plus users should get a clearer and easier to follow default view (stadium camera perhaps).
- The players and especially the ball should be made bigger.
What? Before it were giants on a to small pitch but that wasn't a problem for you and you even call realism ..........??? pf!
i know the purpose to miniscule the players size is to improve the 2D players speed. that's improvement and that's again a good respond from devs/staff.
now i just wanna know, with this size changes, the size of the pitch will stay the same or getting twice bigger?
if the pitch become twice bigger, then when we set for the minimum pitch size, actually the pitch itself will be like a normal pitch before the new setting? thus a normal pitch or the larger one will be twice bigger than before?
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now i just wanna know, with this size changes, the size of the pitch will stay the same or getting twice bigger?
if the pitch become twice bigger, then when we set for the minimum pitch size, actually the pitch itself will be like a normal pitch before the new setting? thus a normal pitch or the larger one will be twice bigger than before?
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The pitch size is related every time to players size. We have no feedback enough to know how works when pitch has been resize and it would be interesting some report from users that had experencd other size that standard one. :))
When do you realized the giants? Why didn't you complain before about their size, if you thought it to be unrealistic? Why don't you stop trolling (this is a forum, not a conversation chat, didn't you know?) and try to show you have any brains? Sorry for not laughing at you, but I have more education.
You have, in the fist post, a poll with some data about preferences. You might also, in order to learn something of what is happening, read a bit of other threads. Our devs seem commited themselves to ruining the game, for some unknown reason. And now, when the task should be fixing, they introduce (again without any warning, of course) more changes, and alter something that was working perfectly and towards no complaints were being made to.
If you want realism and dare yourself to make such ridiculous mockings invoking it, why don't you ask greg to adjust matches durations to 90 real minutes? Why don't you ask them to enhance options in tactics, and to allow changes and modifications to the managers in real time during the match? Why don't you to try to do something *constructive* (btw, you are quite an hypocrit, didn`t you know?) instead of trolling with destructive (and ridiculous) comments on other opinions? What a fine example of your preachings. Bah!
(And, btw, as the only trolls that deserve my time are only those in RPG games, please understand that I am not to continue feeding you in this of any other thread, now & ever again ;p)
You have, in the fist post, a poll with some data about preferences. You might also, in order to learn something of what is happening, read a bit of other threads. Our devs seem commited themselves to ruining the game, for some unknown reason. And now, when the task should be fixing, they introduce (again without any warning, of course) more changes, and alter something that was working perfectly and towards no complaints were being made to.
If you want realism and dare yourself to make such ridiculous mockings invoking it, why don't you ask greg to adjust matches durations to 90 real minutes? Why don't you ask them to enhance options in tactics, and to allow changes and modifications to the managers in real time during the match? Why don't you to try to do something *constructive* (btw, you are quite an hypocrit, didn`t you know?) instead of trolling with destructive (and ridiculous) comments on other opinions? What a fine example of your preachings. Bah!
(And, btw, as the only trolls that deserve my time are only those in RPG games, please understand that I am not to continue feeding you in this of any other thread, now & ever again ;p)
please understand that I am not to continue feeding you in this of any other thread, now & ever again
Great, I'm glad you don't :) And please stick to this promise!
Great, I'm glad you don't :) And please stick to this promise!
I have 2 computer ... Imac and acer laptop when I join sokker with Imac I watch sokker matches with 3d viewer because it looks perfect ... but When I join sokker with laptop I use 2d viewer ...