Subject: Do sokker need to reset teams without manager?

And when the teams are reset the players of there respective teams should be added to transfer list
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just release them* to transferlist before botification. But I never said that those teams should get new owners. just make those teams weaker, that's all. Because I can't see why it would be better that pixies would be several times champion if he stops today. I don't see why that would be the best. just give him 15 new weak players and let him play with that. Do it only at the beginning, at the half and at the end of the season and nobody got harmed.

I really don't believe most people like it more to play to a strong ownerless team in favour of a weak.

*nt players, it would be more fun for NT too. players that were abandoned would get faster proper training again.
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absolutelly

Not a solution, remember some bot teams, go bot with NT players...... ;)

Or future NT players :/

As somewhat mentioned before, I think a good option would just be to make it a rule in Sokker that once a team becomes a "BOT", all his players go back to the market. Thus, the team will have no more players and will drop a division every season (losing 0-5 every game) until its low enough to be taken by a new user.

Most importantly, any NT Players that the team had will be back on the market for someone else to buy and train and thus not jeopardize some countries of losing too many NT Players.

Directly eliminating BOT teams has never been something good for me, because it "rushes" promotions of teams in lower division to go up when they are not ready. And though some my like that opportunity, in reality it just makes that higher division much weaker and that new team usually just struggles to not be beaten every game to go back to a lower division again.

my opinion here is for all. not as an answer for alvarocine comments or other comments.

well, it is already clear, bot team goes weaker every seasson.
why not weak so fast? because i must show my quality as managers. if i cannot beat bot team on my league, how can i compete with human managers on higher division than me? they will kick me out from their league and send me back to where i came from,
except i have player with almost same quality with my opponent on higher division.
but, do other club on the other world has same thinking with me in manage their clubs? i am sure not.
do other managers will happy to be kick out? mostly no.
i ever feel how stress relegate feeling was and i never like it.

" because i must show my quality as managers. if i cannot beat bot team on my league, how can i compete with human managers on higher division than me? they will kick me out from their league and send me back to where i came from, "

I like you, but you are wrong on certain points :)
The problem is, that yes you should show your managercapability, but against real life managers. That is why you came to this game. If you want to fight computerteams, better play Football Manager. ( ;) )
The fact that you can not win of a certain bot team does not say you can not fight on a higher level. The bot team can be very strong or relegate from a strong leage.While the promotion you fight for is a weaker leage.

Lets take my league as an example. The champion of last year could have to play a promotion-relegation team. And yes he can lose that. But if he lose that match, does that prove he can not fight on this level? Ofcourse not. He had just a bit less luck then last year. He is not much weaker, the other teams are not much better, if he stays, he has changes again for next season championship.

Look here: http://www.sokker.cz/en/statistics/nederland/team-highest-average-rating?league=all

4rth, 8th and 15th team are from one league, second division

12, 14 and 18 are from the league above

So let's say 4rth is a bot team and will be champion. (It is not, but you have to agree it could be) what does that prove about the possibilities of the other 2 teams in the league above. Nothing...

That's my problem with those arguments. they seem reasonable but they prove nothing. There are bot teams that win cups and national titles. That fun should only be for human players, there is this game ment for.

"bot team goes weaker every seasson. "

bot teams will be weaker, but if i make a very good team of 24 year olds (the 100M example of before) it takes at least 3 seasons for the first pace drop and another 3 seasons for the first drops on other skills. I could build such a team that will be competive on highest level for years.
In fact we have such a team: A.T.H.F. it is bot team for 2 years now (or something) and still got a rating of 65 reached round 7 out of 10 of the cup this season. How is that fun?
He is 21st on the link before, so not beating him says not much about the changes of a team in a higher level (ATHF plays 3rd level now, and the teams he beated are in this case not strong enoug, but there are lot of 3rd division leagues where ATHF would be also champion, and where the other teams are weaker then ATHF but still have chances at the second league.)
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Bot team won Ukrainian Cup this season but it's only show a low interest of users to the game, the bot-team superpower!
Using your tactic skill you'r able to beat a bot team of same level (especially with your Plus)!
And if you don't like a hard challenge, you better play FIFA with computer! There You'r always win!

i think we should divided the criteria of a BOT team first before talking about resetting them.
there's 2 kind of a bot team: the one who get banned and the one who already pass their limit time to log-in.

for the last category, we should give some time for the user to comeback (as already implemented in the rules) before resetting the team, because there is a reason why he/she can't log-in (mostly because they are working in a remote area where it's difficult to get an internet connection).
once the limit time for them to comeback has passed, then this team can be reset.

as for the first category, yes imo it's better for all parties that this team get reset once they got banned. there are many reasons but most importantly is to save the NT players or good players on that team.

to reset a bot team, i think it's best to reset them on week 7 and week 0 every season.
the DEVs must sell out all the players as soon as those team permanently become a bot and replace those players with the starting players we all got when we first joined this game, and let this team get relegated on its own since they doesn't have good players anymore.

this way, no new user get instantly to a higher divisions to get beaten and also no money lost for the other user in the same division since it's not a brand new team with 1600 ranking points.

Putting all players on the transfermarket will have much lower prices as result. Training will be really a lot less profitable. Besides that there will be also a lot less money in the game because of the transfer money goes to ownerless teams. That has as consequence that prices drop even more.

the solution is very simple. IF this is created a new bot team, automatically he down divison whatever points he has at to finish the league. For example, match 14 division I:


1. Greg team
2. wybo team
3. new bot team this season
4. Charles hill team
5. Damian team
6. Osos amorosos
7. Chocolates sputnik
8. Pelotazos juniors

TEAMS 3 and 8 will go to II division without promotion, etc.

@guzh77

27.5 average mark of Your team! Joined 30-05-2013. What are You expected? 1 month join the Virslīga?
(labots)

dude! :D u think i want to join Virsliga becuase of that?
u r stupid because u think like that!!!!!!!

the problem is global!
there are tons of future NT players and NT players who dont get training's etc.!
there are tons of good teams behind those BOT teams..and like that...those BOT teams are destroying top leagues..because they will be like for few more seasons leaders..and thats crazy!
those cups cud get USER TEAMS not a BOT!

..huoh

TOP teams by rank in LATVIA :

1 Maverix
2Football Warriors
3 FC Kruc [BOT] + this seasons Virsliga winer.
4.FK Resident[BOT]
5.Digital Slayers
6.FC Dimants
7.Fk Alverts[BOT]
8.FK Stende
9.Makslinieki[BOT]
10.FC Ventos
11.Bez Panikas[BOT]

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Bots are fine where they are :)

You (or anybody) can assemble a team good enough to win them, and problem solved.

But, if you (or anybody) are unable to do it, why should you (or anybody) deserve thar 'somebody' would 'remove' them?

I prefer to play in my group with bots whose managers worked to leave behind a good, competitive team which poses a challenge for mine, with a good fan base to ensure good attendances (and ticket revenues for my stadium), and whose trajectory and well earned skill ensures a good level for weekly sponsor payments, ...

than versus a uncompetend, unable human tema, whichs has been promoted for free, who won't gib¡ve my team any challenge (I will win it 15-0 or more), with a lousy number of fans, whichwould keep me from getting decent assistances/ticket revenues, and whose lack of history and skill would drop by several thousands of € my sponsors revenues.

I prefer to play versus human teams, of course, but deserving ones which can go on over rivals, human or not, without the 'help of the gods'.

So, bots are fine where they are :)

And about possible NT players 'lost to bots', there have been propsed ideas and solutions, like the NT coaches being able to call (=send to the market) a number of players from bot teams per season, and such.

Things more logical to that goal, and not to difficult to implement (of course, if greg wanted to), and far better solution than ruining veteran users fun (and economies!) by erasing bots...

If you only think about yourself and your economy, then your right. If you think about all the managers who are in bottom and/or low leagues and can't promote because of strong botteams, then it's a completely different story.

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