Subject: let's show our opinion

I just want to remind all of you some sokker rules:

2. It is forbidden to use insulting or vulgar language:
-It is forbidden to threaten, insult, tease or provoke other users
-It is forbidden to use bad or vulgar language.
-This includes masking any of the above (ie using replacement characters instead of a few of the characters or using obvious misspellings to represent a curse word).

If this continues in any form or shape, I'm going to "reward" all particicpants and close this topic as it's only purpose seems to be insult each other..

if you think that only one sense of this topic is to "insult, tease or provoke other users", it is better to close it. Because this topic by definition will bring emotions or attack. It is the questions if we would like to listen arguments. Sense of this topic is to show that delay is killer of this game and if possible to put it out. If the sense of this topic cannot be followed and you will gain opinion, that only attacks will remain, close it. Better sooner than later.

I still think that this activity can bring solution and helps to open eyes and stop squeezing money in any case instead of preparing real development to give users reason why to pay (arcade, in the past could be junior leagues, in the future could be better chances to use some kind of assistance - for example assistant will help to prepare tactics according your players or according previous tactic of opponent, arcade leagues, more instructions possibilities...)

I already told you my opinion about this at the beginning of this topic..

I will give this topic another chance to discuss those issues but if you'll continue with insults or provocation you'll give me no option but to close it..

you want sokker take all SO work? sokker can do it. but after that, SO will be useless.
see you got something common with Charly... it's paranoia! (sorry) I haven't write that it must take all from SO! but it can take some features for plus users! like spreadsheet view (optional).

you can see HT has plenty of CHPP. why no one protest in HT that HT should have features like HO and HT -world?
Charly? Is it you?

you asking for more PLUS features is the same like you are a sokker owner.... post similiar idea there in the past.
I see you have some problem with "thinking". I'll explain! (for thous who are retarded) I have write an example that Plus has nothing to propose and doesn't develop in years! And if your "Master" want's to have more Plus users it's not ads-delay that should be aded it's features in Plus! If you want to sell something that doesn't correspond to the market and time - improve it! Almost all other creepy online football managers gives you possibility to put a badge and change your team fit! They have spreadsheet team view and training reports, they have modern design and etc. They are all sheet comparing to sokker if we look deeper than visual perception. But in this aspect soaker it's like a retarded cuisine Charly! Users are are accustomed to such possibilities. If they want more than proposed templets and more features, they pay. So comparing to them sokker still leave in 2007!
Don't be like Charly, think a little!

i know to face the problem and get solution. how about you? can you do it?

you do not answer my question,
you can see HT has plenty of CHPP. why no one protest in HT that HT should have features like HO and HT -world?

as you said, plese remind me, have you post your idea on topic bugs/idea forum?
and for modern design, that is what the devs still doing for this long time. and to achieve that, they change something in link so implementation for the design can be added.

if you do not know nothing, you can give your idea instead you give your wrong judgement.

I think this conversation is boring and useless all people know all thoughts explained here again and again. just enjoy the little part left of the old beautiful game we had years ago

how could I help to improve?
you can post your idea for better sokker game on forum Bugs / Ideas (en)

where could I put my ideas and where can I see if (and how) they will be solved?
you can put your idea on forum Bugs / Ideas (en). no place to see it. all are in devs decicion. you will realize it after your idea implemented or solved.

how can I show my opinion?
you can show your positive idea or report a bug that you feel it is a bug, on forum Bugs / Ideas (en).

yes. it is.

you do not answer my question,
you can see HT has plenty of CHPP. why no one protest in HT that HT should have features like HO and HT -world?
I don't give answer on stupid questions. Actually I don't even read HT forums. You find the phrase, for which you can grab. If the only think that you have read in my post was "SO... features may be integrated" sorry for you! Try to read the whole phrase:
Training "features"? I can't call it "features"! Programs like SO is more useful! SO doesn't have something extraordinary and I think some features may be integrated in Plus, like a SO stile view of team. (spreadsheet view for example - could not remember that word).
If you haven't understand the meaning of the post, I'll explain you once again, but shortly: if DEVs can't invent their own features for Plus, they may find ideas in other online football managers it in programs that follow SK.
And if you want, Sokker may be first to introduce "organizer" features for paid users! (right are not registered, you can repost it in bugs/idea forum)
P.S. I like the way warnings works))

sokker coins are the solution for user who want to skip waiting time and for user who want to join arcade match but no need other PLUS features.
Sokker have more important things must do then only that organizer stuff.
Sokker main aim is to change the look to be more attractive. and this is already told by greg and to achieve that, devs already change some link order to make implementation of new look available.

sokker coins are the solution for user who want to skip waiting time and for user who want to join arcade match but no need other PLUS features.

the wheels in bus goes round and round! round and round! (kids song)

Sokker have more important things must do then only that organizer stuff.
Hard to understand.. "Sokker have more important things to do" - is that what you mean?
Ads was put to make more income from Plus users. So the financial situation is "important". So maybe to make Plus features more attractive for user to interest them to upgrade to Plus is also important?

Sokker main aim is to change the look to be more attractive. and this is already told by greg and to achieve that, devs already change some link order to make implementation of new look available.
Yes, but it may be done in same time with other thing. The look will note affect Plus users number. If you change the look users will not begin to buy Plus.

Once ageing you haven't understand much...

I know that I can post it there - but still:

how and how will pass it to devs?

why there is not something like special forum for this? Close topics, only defined responsible person can add it, they are responsible to take "good enough" ideas from somewhere (can be bugs/ideas), prepares voting (languaguist can be responsible to spread the voting also to nationals forums and for example tutors to leagues) and in the final list of functionalities which will be done will be created. All new functionalities can be for PLUS user, later for all users. PLUS users are not disturbed by advertisements, normal users can see advertisement everywhere. It is not so hard, it is just to open new "closed" forum with defined management (by admins and mods). Not to discuss about ideas there, just to vote and show new possibilities there. Discussion can be on national forums or on international.

If someone will really listen to ideas, I will wrote it. Now I think it will be just work without real added value. Noone responsible still write any comment about delay.

But I don't want to see delay longer than 30 seconds anymore ;)
edit: the last sentence is moreless joke, it will be enough if someone will really start to listen.
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actually many good idea and bug already pass to devs. only we do not tell to you if that already pass to devs. and i know the person who always post your idea, protest, bug, to devs. no need to mention here.

in my opinion, sokker should have at least 5 devs. with more devs inside, greg have more time to discuss with his team about sokker. greg will get more info and knowledge on how to grow sokker. and of course with help from staff and user who give plenty of idea and report any bugs appear.
and it will be better if the devs came as a volunteer. because devs from volunteer will work maksimum for sokker as their hobbies and their love and dedication to sokker.

no body want to see delay. we do not know the background why this delay appear together with good feature, arcade match. only greg know the reason. we the staff and user only can guess and protest. but we do not know what is the really happened.

for user who want to buy PLUS, has money, but do not have credit card, i can give a solution for you. this is from my own experience.

1. buy VCC (virtual credit card). you can find VCC seller on your own country. use google to search it.
2. if you already find it, you must find seller who has chat online fasility. ask as many info you need to know about VCC to him. and when you feel the seller can be trust person, you can tell him that you want to buy his VCC product. and choose the VCC for paypal verification.
3. create paypal account.
4. after you get VCC number, if you not understand how to verified your VCC to your paypal account, you must ask to the VCC seller to guide you the paypal verification step.
5. after your paypal account verified, buy paypal balance you want to. and then finally you can use to buy PLUS or buy COINS.
6. after you buy PLUS or COINS, you must report all detail transaction include screeshoot of the transaction immediatelly to email: sokker@sokker.org.
and from my experience, PLUS receive in minutes to our sokker account.

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Enough is enough. If you cant have a civilized debate, stay away from this topic, you've received a warning.

and could be the way of ideas done more transparent? And splitted from bugs? Really, some close (and so clear) forum managed by relevant persons visible and transparent.

it would be at least little bit more motivating, if everyone able to see if the work has some sense.