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Yet, they spend time working on such stupid things like 3D or faces of players o.O? Very, very strange...............
That's just your opinion, and I don't think you have thought it over very well ....
I think 3D match viewer is great and unique for free online soccer manager games. And I like the idea of player faces (ofcourse not the faces that are used right now as these are ugly). Good looking graphics is very important to make a stunning first impression on new managers. And not only 3D match viewer and good looking faces, but also stadium page for example and all other pages.
What do you think new managers like more, the first or second stadium graphics?:
(All second stadium graphics can be bought for less then $ 350 - see exchange3d.com, DEVs don't even have to make it themselves. But they don't do it ... if you want to call something strange, that's strange!)
You forget how important it is to get new managers to start playing this game. To make that happen Sokker needs a good looking website and graphics, an userfriendly layout, etc. Ofcourse also a good ME, but the things you call stupid are at least just as important as the ME.
EDIT: and at the moment we have really ugly looking players because of poor made avatars. Why not use what is best know on the internet, see Faceyourmanaga, or some other program to make avatars, see examples on Google.
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That's just your opinion, and I don't think you have thought it over very well ....
I think 3D match viewer is great and unique for free online soccer manager games. And I like the idea of player faces (ofcourse not the faces that are used right now as these are ugly). Good looking graphics is very important to make a stunning first impression on new managers. And not only 3D match viewer and good looking faces, but also stadium page for example and all other pages.
What do you think new managers like more, the first or second stadium graphics?:
(All second stadium graphics can be bought for less then $ 350 - see exchange3d.com, DEVs don't even have to make it themselves. But they don't do it ... if you want to call something strange, that's strange!)
You forget how important it is to get new managers to start playing this game. To make that happen Sokker needs a good looking website and graphics, an userfriendly layout, etc. Ofcourse also a good ME, but the things you call stupid are at least just as important as the ME.
EDIT: and at the moment we have really ugly looking players because of poor made avatars. Why not use what is best know on the internet, see Faceyourmanaga, or some other program to make avatars, see examples on Google.
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You forget how important it is to get new managers to start playing this game. To make that happen Sokker needs a good looking website and graphics, an userfriendly layout, etc
It's very important... and thats why greg made one of the stupidest decisions in recent years: " let a new users wait for f***g games...". Yo say - its just a 300 seconds, but newbie player think: "f**k off, don't wanna waste my time for waiting in game which i completely don't know...
It's very important... and thats why greg made one of the stupidest decisions in recent years: " let a new users wait for f***g games...". Yo say - its just a 300 seconds, but newbie player think: "f**k off, don't wanna waste my time for waiting in game which i completely don't know...
What did I say?? If I did, please add the quote of my text to your next post .... or are you lying about me???
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That's just your opinion, and I don't think you have thought it over very well ....
Are you sure you have thought this very well? Think of all the bugs that could be fixed and how it would affect the opinion of this game of new managers. He makes his team, starts playing and sees all the bugs...
1. look my player is getting closer to enemy box, now theres my chance to score! Oh wait....he passed the ball back to my goalkeeper o.O
2. my attacker dribbled all defenders, and is running alone with the ball, now it 1on1 with the gk, shoot! What are you waitng for, shoot! SHOOT! Uhmm....what? He just ran into gk and didnt even try to shoot? o.O
3. my defender has the ball, all opponents players are far away, now its time to organize attack carefully....what did he do? He kicked the ball out play? Not a smart decision o.O
4. my midfielder with a high technique is making a counter attack, come on run and pass it forward! come on, run, why did you slow down and let the other midfielder who was 5 meters behind you, run you over like that? Did the oposing team pay you to launch the ball like that and lose possesion? o.O
5. i wanna make a good tactic, but i have to position players for corner kicks, in my tactics. why? just a small box where you put the players in right positions and pick the kicker would make this problem go away.
Now, all of these problems should be way easier to fix, than to spend time implementing 3D stadiums, faces, players etrc...
New managers would stop playing sokker when they see how dumb the mechanics is. I dont think they will say something like: oh...its dumb, but it looks good.
No.
First the problems i listed should be fixed, to make the engine logical and elegant. And then add 3D makeup, stadiums and similar things.
By the way, i think 3d viewer looks ugly and still watch in 2D, but thats just my taste.
Are you sure you have thought this very well? Think of all the bugs that could be fixed and how it would affect the opinion of this game of new managers. He makes his team, starts playing and sees all the bugs...
1. look my player is getting closer to enemy box, now theres my chance to score! Oh wait....he passed the ball back to my goalkeeper o.O
2. my attacker dribbled all defenders, and is running alone with the ball, now it 1on1 with the gk, shoot! What are you waitng for, shoot! SHOOT! Uhmm....what? He just ran into gk and didnt even try to shoot? o.O
3. my defender has the ball, all opponents players are far away, now its time to organize attack carefully....what did he do? He kicked the ball out play? Not a smart decision o.O
4. my midfielder with a high technique is making a counter attack, come on run and pass it forward! come on, run, why did you slow down and let the other midfielder who was 5 meters behind you, run you over like that? Did the oposing team pay you to launch the ball like that and lose possesion? o.O
5. i wanna make a good tactic, but i have to position players for corner kicks, in my tactics. why? just a small box where you put the players in right positions and pick the kicker would make this problem go away.
Now, all of these problems should be way easier to fix, than to spend time implementing 3D stadiums, faces, players etrc...
New managers would stop playing sokker when they see how dumb the mechanics is. I dont think they will say something like: oh...its dumb, but it looks good.
No.
First the problems i listed should be fixed, to make the engine logical and elegant. And then add 3D makeup, stadiums and similar things.
By the way, i think 3d viewer looks ugly and still watch in 2D, but thats just my taste.
I agree.
Even the design of the game itself would give much more in the area of keeping new users interested than the 3D. The look of sokker, compare to other games, is simply repelling.
Even the design of the game itself would give much more in the area of keeping new users interested than the 3D. The look of sokker, compare to other games, is simply repelling.
I wont say i disagree, but the priorities are different. The promoting system, the page design, the stadium, the players, the whole appearance are much more important. What you see during the game, is the visual expression of the match engine, those are not bugs, the whole match is generated in seconds and randomly shows you a game, and if you'd have the opportunity to play it twice, it would look entirely different but with the same outcome.
The first thing a new users sees is the design. Than the story behind the design. But first of all we gotta promote this damned thing.
The first thing a new users sees is the design. Than the story behind the design. But first of all we gotta promote this damned thing.
I love sokker
Flash doesnt work well with many of my devices so I cant ever watch 3d. I watch 2d sometimes. Often I cant set tactics or even see where my number x will be on the field.
The delay is a royal pain. I have had plus several times in the past, but refuse since the delay was implemented.
There is a lot of random in sokker. And the worst thing is the uber striker...one player with pace, technique and striker who scores goals at will while great passing and playmaking teams get no reward.
Flash doesnt work well with many of my devices so I cant ever watch 3d. I watch 2d sometimes. Often I cant set tactics or even see where my number x will be on the field.
The delay is a royal pain. I have had plus several times in the past, but refuse since the delay was implemented.
There is a lot of random in sokker. And the worst thing is the uber striker...one player with pace, technique and striker who scores goals at will while great passing and playmaking teams get no reward.
First of all it is very difficult to make a game as realistic as real life. And to make an ME in which players do exactly what they would do in real life is nearly impossible.
And as always, you are one of those managers who focus on the few times players do strange things in matches, but are you also going to write down all the times the players did do normal actions? Probably the same as the 'random' results, 90 out of 100 (or even more) are normal actions during matches, some a bit more stranger actions, and just a few really strange actions (and only these few actions are posted, not the other '99%' of the actions). But as I already said, it's nearly impossible to make a game in which players act as real life people.
This is something you most probably can't fix very easily as you claim. I don't know a thing about programming, maybe you do, but I assume it's not easy at all and probably even impossible.
And for many of your points there can be other reasons why players did that, to low form, tactical discipline and/or playmaker. To sum all problems up is very easy, but to give the correct answers is a lot more difficult without seeing the match and knowing the skills of each player, and all info of the opponent, and etc etc......
New managers would stop playing sokker when they see how dumb the mechanics is.
And here you go wrong. Almost no new managers even start playing Sokker so they know nothing about the ME at all. Sokker needs to attract new managers again, and that's the main problem for Sokker at the moment.
You know the expression, 'you never get a second change to make a first impression'? The site doesn't look ok anymore for 2013 (website and graphics), not userfriendly (layout), and in some cases a mess (see Rules, translations and layout). Many won't even signup when they see the website and of those who did signup, many won't login anymore after one time because of the looks, layout and mess of the website. And that's exactly the problem with Sokker.
It's like suggesting a restaurant should change the menu while no one is visiting the restaurant because the outside and inside looks to ugly and nasty ....
Most of the new managers will never see the ME and of those who watch one match won't look at it as more experienced managers do. Besides, new managers have crappy players anyway so it's not that strange these weak players make weak passes, shots, etc.
Every manager who has spend or is spending time helping new managers and for example send welcome mails know these are the main problems. Ask another managers who has spend time doing this if you don't believe me.
Ofcourse ME and other things are also important and should not be forgotten, but as marcozea also wrote, priorities, most important things first.
And please don't ask if I have spend enough time thinking about what the problems in Sokker are. I have spend more time trying to get the number of managers up, discussing the problems of Sokker with DEVs and other managers and posting problems, bugs and ideas on the test server, as you have been playing Sokker :/
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And as always, you are one of those managers who focus on the few times players do strange things in matches, but are you also going to write down all the times the players did do normal actions? Probably the same as the 'random' results, 90 out of 100 (or even more) are normal actions during matches, some a bit more stranger actions, and just a few really strange actions (and only these few actions are posted, not the other '99%' of the actions). But as I already said, it's nearly impossible to make a game in which players act as real life people.
This is something you most probably can't fix very easily as you claim. I don't know a thing about programming, maybe you do, but I assume it's not easy at all and probably even impossible.
And for many of your points there can be other reasons why players did that, to low form, tactical discipline and/or playmaker. To sum all problems up is very easy, but to give the correct answers is a lot more difficult without seeing the match and knowing the skills of each player, and all info of the opponent, and etc etc......
New managers would stop playing sokker when they see how dumb the mechanics is.
And here you go wrong. Almost no new managers even start playing Sokker so they know nothing about the ME at all. Sokker needs to attract new managers again, and that's the main problem for Sokker at the moment.
You know the expression, 'you never get a second change to make a first impression'? The site doesn't look ok anymore for 2013 (website and graphics), not userfriendly (layout), and in some cases a mess (see Rules, translations and layout). Many won't even signup when they see the website and of those who did signup, many won't login anymore after one time because of the looks, layout and mess of the website. And that's exactly the problem with Sokker.
It's like suggesting a restaurant should change the menu while no one is visiting the restaurant because the outside and inside looks to ugly and nasty ....
Most of the new managers will never see the ME and of those who watch one match won't look at it as more experienced managers do. Besides, new managers have crappy players anyway so it's not that strange these weak players make weak passes, shots, etc.
Every manager who has spend or is spending time helping new managers and for example send welcome mails know these are the main problems. Ask another managers who has spend time doing this if you don't believe me.
Ofcourse ME and other things are also important and should not be forgotten, but as marcozea also wrote, priorities, most important things first.
And please don't ask if I have spend enough time thinking about what the problems in Sokker are. I have spend more time trying to get the number of managers up, discussing the problems of Sokker with DEVs and other managers and posting problems, bugs and ideas on the test server, as you have been playing Sokker :/
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'you never get a second change to make a first impression'
Needs some rearrangement: "You never get a second chance to make a first good impression".
:)
So true anyway.
Needs some rearrangement: "You never get a second chance to make a first good impression".
:)
So true anyway.
I am still here - thank you all for votes and showing your opinion. To be honest, it do not have so much sense to discuss, still the same arguments are used and we are only wrong...
So let's talk numbers:
at least 19% current PLUS users will not pay any more (ok, you will tell that it is just 19 users, it is up to you if you want to listen message or not)
another 24% will not become of PLUS user (30 users - ok, you will tell that they would not buy it even if)
pass this to responsible, please. If they don't want to see even this, it will be really end of sokker. Or will they use 10 minutes of delay to push more users to pay? I suppose the result will be still the same - more users will stop to pay.
And at least 2 CZ staff members (tutors who sends welcome e-mails and tries to help to new users to styay here and pay) stop to be members.
These are real facts, work with them how you want.
So let's talk numbers:
at least 19% current PLUS users will not pay any more (ok, you will tell that it is just 19 users, it is up to you if you want to listen message or not)
another 24% will not become of PLUS user (30 users - ok, you will tell that they would not buy it even if)
pass this to responsible, please. If they don't want to see even this, it will be really end of sokker. Or will they use 10 minutes of delay to push more users to pay? I suppose the result will be still the same - more users will stop to pay.
And at least 2 CZ staff members (tutors who sends welcome e-mails and tries to help to new users to styay here and pay) stop to be members.
These are real facts, work with them how you want.
LOL!
it do not have so much sense to discuss,still the same arguments
Indeed :)
we are only wrong...
Indeed :P
ok, you will tell that it is just 19 users,
Indeed :/
30 users - ok, you will tell that they would not buy it even if
Indeed :/
So yes, a useless poll, as some managers already told you on the first page :)
And if you want to talk about these useless results, what happened with the first 2 options, the 31% and 6%?? The 31% is the highest of all options and you don't even mention it .... By your logic, these 2 answers prove it's absolutely not the end of Sokker.
it do not have so much sense to discuss,still the same arguments
Indeed :)
we are only wrong...
Indeed :P
ok, you will tell that it is just 19 users,
Indeed :/
30 users - ok, you will tell that they would not buy it even if
Indeed :/
So yes, a useless poll, as some managers already told you on the first page :)
And if you want to talk about these useless results, what happened with the first 2 options, the 31% and 6%?? The 31% is the highest of all options and you don't even mention it .... By your logic, these 2 answers prove it's absolutely not the end of Sokker.
they are paying and they will pay - you are not missing them, but you are not gaining anything more from them (still the same plus) - what you want to prove on this?
What I was showing, someone is leaving, but as usual - you don't care, you don't want to see - as I told - arrogant staff is the worst on this game
take it or leave it, it is your choice, I do not care if you don't want to listen any argument, because you know all the best as you discussed it several times with DEVs as you told. Maybe, start to listen and this game can improve - maybe you are copying ideas or bugs to DEVs, but why when noone want to solve anything? You are just telling that someone is hearing, but where is any prove? You just don't have it, you have just attacks, you don't want any real discussion, becouse first you will need to tell that maybe you are not correct, maybe you should change something or at least you should start to listen and not only to see blindly you opinion.
What I was showing, someone is leaving, but as usual - you don't care, you don't want to see - as I told - arrogant staff is the worst on this game
take it or leave it, it is your choice, I do not care if you don't want to listen any argument, because you know all the best as you discussed it several times with DEVs as you told. Maybe, start to listen and this game can improve - maybe you are copying ideas or bugs to DEVs, but why when noone want to solve anything? You are just telling that someone is hearing, but where is any prove? You just don't have it, you have just attacks, you don't want any real discussion, becouse first you will need to tell that maybe you are not correct, maybe you should change something or at least you should start to listen and not only to see blindly you opinion.
but OK, please, just show this to owners, I don't want to listen from owners they still think that it is the best for sokker and then I will be quite...