Subject: Rules translation

Training of pace

Pace is trained by all players that played at least once during the week, regardless of position. Although this is similar to stamina training, pace is a physical training and thus its effectiveness depends on both a player’s age and talent.

Well it's easy to understand this point

Training of striker

Strikers (ATT position) train most effectively, a bit slower the midfielders (MID) and to a little extent, defenders (DEF) and goalkeepers (GK).

I never trained striker so I don't get this point. The thoughts I've heard was that you can train 6 strikers per week and mid's get arround 50% striker training

Training of passing

Passing is most effectively trained by the midfielders (MID), the remaining positions train slower. If you want to enhance training effect for other positions, you can do so. However, it will result in decreasing the training effectiveness for the midfielders.

"If you want to enhance training effect for other positions, you can do so. However, it will result in decreasing the training effectiveness for the midfielders." Well I trained mid's many time but I don't get this point

Training of playmaking

The training of playmaking is similar to that of passing. The position that profits most from the training are playmakers/midfielders (MID). Similar to the training of passes, you can also enhance the effectiveness for other positions; however, it will also result in decreasing the training efficiency for the midfielders.

as well as passing

Training of defending (tackling the ball [wft?])

You can select the position that will train defending most effectively during the week, you can choose among ATT, MID and DEF. The remaining positions train slower.

same as pace this is easy

If I have to go to sokker questions/answers or some newbee's forum no problem I'll go and then close the topic.

we have made it with a little more clear text long time ago

My grandmother has a gun.
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Not only better explained, but also split into 2 sections. For example 'Rules' and 'Game Play'.

Happy for your grandmother!

I think some time ago Rules were better redacted and more clear (at least, in the Spanish version). It seems that some day somebody re-wrote/re-translated them, and the result has been a set of Rules far more obscure and confusing, not only in the training part but in many places more.

Any case, I guess the responsibles have had time enough in all these years to having updated, expanded, clarified and enhanced the rules, but... as they are for everybody, I guess they could consider it of no interest. Anyway, let's hope we had never to see that they make available a version of the Rules clear and userful for "plus-only"...

I think the rules are good explained, i cant see why you cant understand them...

edit: At least on the training part, which was the example here
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Anyway, let's hope we had never to see that they make available a version of the Rules clear and userful for "plus-only"...

Great, insinuate nonsense things that will never happen, that's fun :)

Let's hope the forum will never become Plus-only.
Let's hope making tactics will never become Plus-only.
Let's hope making line ups will never become Plus-only.
Let's hope training will never become Plus-only.

Does it need to be about Sokker only?? More fun if it doesn't.

Let's hope it will never rain pigs!

there is space for improvement, rules like this were written long ago, before many changes were introduced into game, split like someone wrote looks like best road into future, hope someone important enough will read you.

it's too easy to do a great rules with videos, screens, etc... it would be more friendship for new users, I remember when we had new users in Spain and they ask for something and we say "read the rules"

now I know why there are anymore new users, at least forum users. For example I don't know any new user (real new user, not user that leave and come in again) since 2011 who plays regulary in III division, and believe me spanish league's are becoming easier and easier past the seasons
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A combination of text, videos and pictures would be great :) As long as it is done the right way ofcourse. But everything (or almost everything) is better as the current long boring text :/

New managers can't be blamed to not read it. It's even admirable if a new manager makes it to chapter 3 :P

Since subtleties, irony and other things which could imply that a minimum of mental development might be required for an an interlocutor to understand, I guess I must put the main point simple, so you can be able to understand it:

Instead of spending all the time in "things" plus-only, DEVs (or whoever cares, if there is yet anybody caring about) could spend a couple of hours each year for something as easy as re-checking an clarifying the Rules.

But of course, something so, which could lead to more new users to understand faster the game and do more for keeping them, could make them to forgot which seems to be their true and real goal in the end: to-get-money-only.

That was the message. Got it?

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And now, regarding your babble:

Never to happen? Maybe you live in another reality (could it to be Greg's World?) if you are uncapable of seeing that the things you list are already happening (if not fully, at least in part)?

Let's see:

Let's hope the forum will never become Plus-only.

There are ALREADY plus-only forums (those of the Associations). Curiously, a plus user who who creates one (and is so the owner, and should be the 'moderator') is removed any possibility of entering it his plus expires.

Let's hope making tactics will never become Plus-only.

NOW plus users can use 100 tactics, versus 10 the rest. Curiously, taher is another absurdity like NTs also can use 100 tactics if the elected coach is *plus*, but only 10 if not. So, NTs also are being discriminated in operativity only because its coach is plus or not.

Also, it is the added advantage that arcade games (plus-only) allow to test, depurate and enhance all these tactics (normal and extra) without any drawback (no limitations, no injuries, no sport/fan/economic consequences), making Sokker to enter, btw, in anothwer concept of games called PPW (= Pay Per Win), thoug maybe we could puntualize PPWvFU (= Pay Per Win vs Free Users).

Let's hope making line ups will never become Plus-only.

Plus users *can* ALREADY make use of extra and complete lineups, and test them, the same way as tactics, regarding the arcades (remember: PPWvFU). They are no limited by card, injuries and positions, so no limits to their testing without fearing any consecuences.

Let's hope training will never become Plus-only.

Training ALREADY has had advantages for plus users from many time ago: skill graphics, highlighted updates, etc, both for regular players and for junior ones. Did you forgot, or did you simply need another 'example' to sum 4?


WQell, I would pray for other thing, also not applyable only to Sokker, but any environment:

Let's hope not ever turn ourselves into the butt-cleaners.

Because yes, this sad thing is possble and can -and DO- happen in the case of some people: I fear we should not to go very far to find some good example... :S

NOW plus users can use 100 tactics, versus 10 the rest.
as long as only two tactics can be used in one match, I don't see any problem
Training ALREADY has had advantages for plus users from many time ago: skill graphics, highlighted updates, etc, both for regular players and for junior ones.
all the stuff you mentioned are only graphics (it's nothing you can't do it by yourself, even better). there's no advantage in training for a plus user

A (more) friendly version of rules would be very welcome

if you are uncapable of seeing that the things you list are already happening (if not fully, at least in part)?

All nonsense and even lies in your post, and you know that very well after playing Sokker for more then 7 years. Plus doesn't give any advantage over non-Plus in training results, line up and tactics during matches, match results, the forum, or whatever else. So do you think it's normal and ok to tell lie?? :S

The only advantage Plus users have is that they can watch all matches. But if non-Plus users use new tactics each time they play against a Plus user, this only advantage of the Plus user is gone.

EDIT: And another thing, everyone can become a Plus users, it's not some special privilege. I't a choise everyone can make.
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He is not lying, the advantages are minor, but they are there.... and he didnt list advantage for transfers=able to make notes to player