Subject: »Downtime

I have said all that I wanted to say about this downtime and I think I made myself clear enough. It's more then 2 days ago now so nothing will change.

Hopefully this whole situation was a reminder to all not take risks if you want max profits, as downtime or other problems can happen on the internet, so also on Sokker.

If everyone starts setting a starting price, say goodbye to Sokker once and for all.

There are huge economic differences between stabilished clubs that get loads of money (up to 500k) per match played home, and users new to the game. Nowadays, since nothing is being done about the market or the ridiculously high income from stadiums, the only way to go forward is getting bargains. Now, setting a starting price, you kill that possibility.

This whole situation is a reminder of how this project works. It's a hobby, it's managed as a hobby and it should be as profitable as a hobby (non-profitable), you invest the money you earned expecting a service, some kind of announcement about downtimes or at least an official apology even though it wasn't Sokker fault, but there is none.

The lesson is: don't buy Plus, don't spend a single coin in this unworthy project (as of today). The engine is so shitty that I don't really watch the matches anymore and with Sokker Organizer there is no way you need Plus.

that goes against market. market price is one thing and another is player price. are there huge differences between small teams and biggers ones? Of course, but if you put into the game more money it would be very worst.

I had a idea but it's a mourinho idea, so it's not going to be liked xD:

You can put a player in TA and set a starting price. for example you put 10.000.000 starting price with an 1% fee, if someone interested he pay this amount and the owner got another 3% fee for example, but the TA is for 1 week not 2 days. or something like that I always explain my ideas as a farmer

that goes against market. market price is one thing and another is player price. are there huge differences between small teams and biggers ones? Of course, but if you put into the game more money it would be very worst.

It's obvious a more developed team should be superior to a new one. The issue here is the gap between them, which is now just too big. The market is flooded with overpriced old players and out of reach young ones, you end up getting to a point were your progress becomes stagnant.

You can still keep going through, little by little, but I've been playing this game for 4 years and it's been hard for me, I can't really imagine if I were a newcomer, I'd have no reason to stay here. Add the poor development of the game and worse communication to the equation, and the result is a dying games with too many experienced players leaving and little players incoming.

The lesson is: don't buy Plus,

Yes, then Sokker will end for everyone ... great idea! If all your other ideas are just as well thought over, please keep them to yourself :/


EDIT: And the rest of your posts about newcomers is really one-sided, eg you don't mention less managers mean that you can promote faster and don't have to stay in a bottom botleague for as long as others did in the past. Less managers also mean less competition on the transfermarket so prices can drop (ofcourse enough managers have to keep youth schools to add new players to the game). Anyway, as you can see, every story has 2 sides, and absolutely not only your negative one.

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it's too easy to earn money when you know to play, but it's too easy to expend 250k or 1M no cares how much if you don't have idea, putting more unnecessary money on the flow

Yes, then Sokker will end for everyone

Isn't it now? Of course it's your money and you can spend it on whatever you like, but I can think of several ways to spend the money better.

But yeah, you could just be the kind of person that won't pay for Windows (90€ for 11 years support = 8€/year) or Office (100€ for 4 years of support = 25€/year, last update released this month) but will pay for Sokker (24€ per year, no support, no communication, every update screws everything over).



great idea! If all your other ideas are just as well thought over, please keep them to yourself :/

Vive la liberté d'expression! "I don't like what you think, so don't say it!"

I will try my best to follow your suggestion, please forward me via skmail the topics I'm allowed to talk about and the opinions I may defend and I'll do my best to follow them. You may as well send me some arguments as an example so I can just copy and paste them, if you are so kind, it'll save me from memorizing anything.

And taking into account you are one of the most active staff members and what you say should be considered as part of staff-users communication... well, I don't need to say anything else, you kind of prove my point already.

I dare you to start all over, with a new team.

Of course you will make it sooner or later, taking the amount of time you've put into this game you know your way around, but it might change your definition of "easy".

I'd rephrase that as "it's easy to earn money when you know how to play, have some millions earned from daytrading back when it wasn't forbidden and server crashes, can invest in a good stadium and pay Plus so you can bypass daytrading barriers with arcades and devote lots of time".

I had some millions in my old team account and a good stadium for the division I was in, I could have kept growing and thinking the game was just too easy. I started all over just because I had forgotten how it was, and I'm quite attracted to the feeling of everything being new, being at the beginning of a seemingly impossible learning curve and having lots of options opened and a long way to walk.

giving more money to new users will only make a big inflaction issue. think about how many teams get the team, expend the money and go out. In fact, it would be worse for new teams in half term.

I never said more money should be given to new users, you may have misunderstood that.

I said market control rules should be applied and income from things like the stadium should be regulated. I'm no expert in economy so I can't tell you what I'd do exactly. But there must be a way, even if it takes a world war to reset the economy (the analogy of a hard reset in a game).

Edit: The game is kind of cleaning itself actually, most experienced users are leaving or just not giving a damn anymore, it'll end up to a point where there are little too rich users who will grow bored and then there you have your reset. Until then, the game will be unplayable, and it might take years.
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Agree.

I don't understand why users should take the responsibility for game bugs and errors.

I'm curious - did Charles take responsibility for his new car failures or did he go to his car dealer and put reclamation?

Of course it's your money and you can spend it on whatever you like,

Yep, it is indeed up to me what to do with my money. And I don't ask managers to start paying for Sokker because that's up to them. But there are managers who do ask of others not to pay anymore. I wonder why. If managers don't like Sokker anymore, they should not ruin it for others.

arguments

I can give you an argument why not paying for Sokker anymore isn't a good idea. Do you think things will get better when no money is made anymore while there are still costs, or will they pull the plug? For most businesses no more income means it's the end soon. I still like Sokker so I hope this won't happen.

But most important, I like the extra features I get with Plus. I don't pay for customer service, that's for everyone the same (or non at the moment), Plus or non-Plus. I pay for extra features and that's what I get for my money.

You know why people say that users should take that responsibility ? CAUSE THEY ARE IDIOTS. They don't have nothing else to say so they always come up with some bullshit just to defend this crappy game. I don't understand how can they don't respect themselves anymore with saying such bullshit.

EDIT: You know why I will not buy plus anymore and encourage others to stop paying ? just to make this crappy butthole to die faster and save many many peoples nerves. This is like global warming, with time this is getting only worse. These increasing downtimes is just like more hurricanes and tsunamis.
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I am a GNU/Linux user and I've grown to appreciate "the valuable free stuff".

It's amazing how some projects keep growing, being completely free and open source, funded exclusively on donations. You even see one man projects with git commits (updates and bug fixes) almost every day!

It's so amazing, the passion behind it, the attention, the communication, that if you use it you donate to the project, because you are not the kind of "hurr durr it's free why pay" kid.

That way you also learn to appreciate propietary software, the customer support, troubleshooting, bug fixing, and the fact you know people are being rewarded for the attention they pay to you and the time they spend developing a quality product.

If you read older posts, I have always defended buying Plus, even if it was just a donation. In hard times, I agreed a 1 minute waiting fee before watching matches was beneficial, 1 minute isn't too much of an annoyance, yet may convince some users to contribute.

I also defended out the new cellphone friendly layout. I blamed myself, as part of the staff (even if as a promoter it didn't concerm me), for not having beta-tested it throughly in the test server so it was full of bugs. I also celebrated the arrival of the coins.

But I always said 5 minutes waiting was too much (increases match time around 25%), and there are more critical things to do than fixing a 3D engine or implementing an Android app, for example, bypassing the daytrading limit by getting your players to play Arcade games, or stadium attendance were some fans would go to a cheap seat but if it's not available they would loose their heads and just spend whatever money into another kind of seat, no matter how high the price.

I don't really know how much your time is worth (you actually invest the limited time you have in your life to get money), but I can tell you, this game is not worth it.
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I'm curious - did Charles take responsibility for his new car failures or did he go to his car dealer and put reclamation?

Bad comparison, Sokker isn't a car. Sokker is a good game, but I also know some things are wrong and should be changed, and most managers know this.

You also pay plus during a downtime, so no extra features during this time also ;)

Should plus not be extended when there is a downtime?
Downtime of 2 hours will extend plus with 2 hours.

Currently, you pay more for less.