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Subject: Changing training every week?
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no offence taken. tis only a game. there is always comments or arguments over training. in the end only greg knows and likes to keep it quiet
So two matches each 45 minutes are more than one match 90 minutes.
there was never evidence to back this up. this argument would be:
He plays 20 minutes in the league match = 20%
He plays 40 minutes in the league match = 38% (no 40% because it degenerates)
He plays 45 minutes in the league match = 42%
He plays 20 minutes in the friendly match = 20%
He plays 40 minutes in the friendly match = 38% (no 40% because it degenerates)
He plays 45 minutes in the friendly match = 42%
total 84% if playing 45 league and 45 min friendly instead of 75 with just 1 game.
there is no reason to suggest it adds both games. more likely the second game (friendly) calculates similar to the second half of the league game and is degenerated training. gregs quote does state.
The training percentage degenerates per played minute! just because friendly is new game it does not mean that you dont have degenerated training. what if it considers 45 minutes already played from previous game so first 20 minutes in friendly thinks it is 45-65 min
so bottom three lines if already had played 45 mins league game and 40% training so far.
He plays 20 minutes in the friendly match = 15%
He plays 40 minutes in the friendly match = 28%
He plays 45 minutes in the friendly match = 30%
total maybe 70%.
if playing only a friendly it would be higher because there is less degeneration effect
He plays 20 minutes in the friendly match = 18%
He plays 40 minutes in the friendly match = 34%
He plays 45 minutes in the friendly match = 38%
90 mins = 65%
i think because you already played 45 mins, the second game will have slower training benefit (degeneration is more). of course all this is speculation similar to the previous comment you suggested. i have seen lots of recommendations and even originally passed on the recommendations myself to play games like that..
in above suggested case the only benefit would be that instead of 75% training for league game for one player and 65% for friendly for another you can train 2 players 70% by playing 45 min of both games so it splits equally the training.
not really a benefit. we got way off your original topic.. my scroll bar isnt working either and iv work tmw so night. ill take up the arguing again tmw
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So two matches each 45 minutes are more than one match 90 minutes.
there was never evidence to back this up. this argument would be:
He plays 20 minutes in the league match = 20%
He plays 40 minutes in the league match = 38% (no 40% because it degenerates)
He plays 45 minutes in the league match = 42%
He plays 20 minutes in the friendly match = 20%
He plays 40 minutes in the friendly match = 38% (no 40% because it degenerates)
He plays 45 minutes in the friendly match = 42%
total 84% if playing 45 league and 45 min friendly instead of 75 with just 1 game.
there is no reason to suggest it adds both games. more likely the second game (friendly) calculates similar to the second half of the league game and is degenerated training. gregs quote does state.
The training percentage degenerates per played minute! just because friendly is new game it does not mean that you dont have degenerated training. what if it considers 45 minutes already played from previous game so first 20 minutes in friendly thinks it is 45-65 min
so bottom three lines if already had played 45 mins league game and 40% training so far.
He plays 20 minutes in the friendly match = 15%
He plays 40 minutes in the friendly match = 28%
He plays 45 minutes in the friendly match = 30%
total maybe 70%.
if playing only a friendly it would be higher because there is less degeneration effect
He plays 20 minutes in the friendly match = 18%
He plays 40 minutes in the friendly match = 34%
He plays 45 minutes in the friendly match = 38%
90 mins = 65%
i think because you already played 45 mins, the second game will have slower training benefit (degeneration is more). of course all this is speculation similar to the previous comment you suggested. i have seen lots of recommendations and even originally passed on the recommendations myself to play games like that..
in above suggested case the only benefit would be that instead of 75% training for league game for one player and 65% for friendly for another you can train 2 players 70% by playing 45 min of both games so it splits equally the training.
not really a benefit. we got way off your original topic.. my scroll bar isnt working either and iv work tmw so night. ill take up the arguing again tmw
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It was told by Greg him self, but never gave the true figures. loop could never work out the figures probably because he was always basing it on 100% training when in reality it's probably not?
If degeneration exists over a 90min period then it would make perfect sense to play 2x 45min also coincides with the fact training is not lateral.
Add it all together and it kinda make sense? I don't have the IQ level to put it all together and come up with raw data, but maybe someone cares to have a think and look over it.
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If degeneration exists over a 90min period then it would make perfect sense to play 2x 45min also coincides with the fact training is not lateral.
Add it all together and it kinda make sense? I don't have the IQ level to put it all together and come up with raw data, but maybe someone cares to have a think and look over it.
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i just did the numbrs above for your example and for my argument ;)
yours does state extra training is achieved
mine states that it just splits the difference between 2 games equally. ill highlight main points in bold
100% training means thats the most possible. he means there is no reason that you play them in another game. you do not gain 0.00001% extra from playing 3 games
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yours does state extra training is achieved
mine states that it just splits the difference between 2 games equally. ill highlight main points in bold
100% training means thats the most possible. he means there is no reason that you play them in another game. you do not gain 0.00001% extra from playing 3 games
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Mmmmmm... Tiredness maybe? Maybe the 2nd half degeneration is far greater?
I'll re read the posts I found, but from Greg to loop he told him that playing 2x45 min would give you higher training than playing a full 90min.
I'll re read the posts I found, but from Greg to loop he told him that playing 2x45 min would give you higher training than playing a full 90min.
he told him? or that's what loop interpreted? :)
we wait on loop
we wait on loop
He's long gone I'm afraid mate, if I remember he was sokker staff at the time can't remember if was MOD or admin.
It was a time when information was freely passed, but no true figures given which is understandable
It was a time when information was freely passed, but no true figures given which is understandable
we got way off your original topic.. my scroll bar isnt working either and iv work tmw so night. ill take up the arguing again tmw
Mmmmm. Sort of it's still relevant though, by no means I'm arguing good to hear feedback would seem no one else has an interest anymore.
Mmmmm. Sort of it's still relevant though, by no means I'm arguing good to hear feedback would seem no one else has an interest anymore.
I'll re read the posts I found, but from Greg to loop he told him that playing 2x45 min would give you higher training than playing a full 90min.
That was a common misinterpretation of one of greg's statements. He corrected that a while ago:
2011-02-09 11:46:50
greg to mauser
once you said that playing 2 times 45 minutes is a little bit more training than 1 time 90 minutes, because training is not linear.
I don't remember I said that, training is not linear, of course, but 2x45 minutes in offcial matches is the same as 90 minutes.
I might said, that 45 minutes is more training than half of 90 minutes training.
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That was a common misinterpretation of one of greg's statements. He corrected that a while ago:
2011-02-09 11:46:50
greg to mauser
once you said that playing 2 times 45 minutes is a little bit more training than 1 time 90 minutes, because training is not linear.
I don't remember I said that, training is not linear, of course, but 2x45 minutes in offcial matches is the same as 90 minutes.
I might said, that 45 minutes is more training than half of 90 minutes training.
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Cool nice one
Interestingly the date he sent you that is a year before the other thread was created!
Do you have any other information in particular training passing to playmaking in the DEF order?
Interestingly the date he sent you that is a year before the other thread was created!
Do you have any other information in particular training passing to playmaking in the DEF order?
It was confirmed by greg that training passing for DEF gives 50% to DEF and MID players (that is 50% of the training that MID players would have gotten if you had trained passing for MID). It can be assumed that the same goes for playmaking.
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