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Subject: U21 World Cup IX Guide

2014-08-25 20:07:50
no, its always nice to see Poland out :P ;)
2014-08-25 20:11:07
I just presented a simple stat, what could-it be veryfied by all of you at that date, so i dont wanted to offense a team or another.
In the other hand, i thnk if Polska have 7, Croatia 5 so good keepers, means they deserve to be squad members all of them.
We don't could make decissions about other team managers what players they get or not into their squad.
Sorry if any of you find my post offensed for your or other countrys, sincerelly i dont wanted that, just i posted a statistique of official values...
2014-08-25 20:42:37
maybe you're right, maybe it's nice to see big team out but only in fair way imo;) if brasilian community is made of slyboots, that's a shame. They have to remember that their team can also be out in eightfinals but many people will remember their unfair approach. If i was one of them do not know if i wanted be considered as a man with no honor... Of course i mean only a part of their community, because i know some of them do not support playing without fair-play rules and loosing the game. I know Fabbrogas is also againts that, but on the other hand, i feel that he's not gonna treat this game seriously... well, it will be sad to be out;)


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2014-08-25 23:21:46
no, its always nice to see Poland out :P ;)

not fair - do You want Turkey play 3rd squad against Czech U21 ? I don't. This is only a game, so everyone should have "guts" to play for 100% in such tournament like World Cup.

But I know, that brasilian fans still remember when I defeat them last time, maybe that's why they will play 2nd team :)
2014-08-25 23:30:29
that is not about fairplay ı think..

Why you think always about they think poland out ?

May be they wanna less injury or red card posibility for next round.

These all Coach's decesion..

İf I were Brasilian Coach I Would rest my best players.. And try to win With B Team.. I dont think poland , I would Think 1/8 eleminations..
2014-08-25 23:37:13
brasilian Coach thinks about injuries that's true (but who will ensure him that these players won't get injuried two days later in their clubs? the same risk), but brasilian community care much more about eliminating Poland from the tournament (you can read this on their forum). They want Brasil to lose the game in purpose;) i think it's just disgusting and you?;)

btw. i played in qualifiers in group with montenegro, if i did not stay fair for each team, and let go last game, they probably would not be here with us... i could have protected my stars... i did not, mice90 can confirm that i wanted to stay fair for everybody, it's just a game but we all do hard work for example in scouting to play in world cup, i think it's not fair to lose chance because of the schedule
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2014-08-25 23:39:29
so... against Czech U21 only 19yo ? ;p

ok, 2-3 best players - maybe I would also save them, but in WC should be no philosophy like "I will play with team B" as I see it. Sometimes You will try to protect Your best players and they will get injury in league or friendly game in their clubs - it's lottery :)
2014-08-25 23:42:31
these are posibilities.. more game more risk for injury..


2014-08-25 23:51:05
no risk, no fun ;p
2014-08-25 23:55:11
I doubt that the main concern is the players injury :))

Anyway I really hope that we'll have an example of fair play this week.
2014-08-26 00:09:02
brasilian Coach thinks about injuries that's true (but who will ensure him that these players won't get injuried two days later in their clubs? the same risk), but brasilian community care much more about eliminating Poland from the tournament (you can read this on their forum). They want Brasil to lose the game in purpose;) i think it's just disgusting and you?;)

it is one less game to worry ;)

btw. i played in qualifiers in group with montenegro, if i did not stay fair for each team, and let go last game, they probably would not be here with us... i could have protected my stars... i did not, mice90 can confirm that i wanted to stay fair for everybody, it's just a game but we all do hard work for example in scouting to play in world cup, i think it's not fair to lose chance because of the schedule

you have 10 times, or for some countries 20 or more, larger than base of players and you worry about your main stars? your 2nd best players on some positions are better then other have their stars....so that is not fair comparisment and you cant blame other countries for saving their best players....

best view is at GK position....you have 7 "same" GK....rlly good for that age...some have none....
2014-08-26 07:48:13
@airwawes

I wrote only one sentence, its nice to see Poland out :)

and you should win the previous matches and not hiding behind fair-play now ;) is up to manager, what he wants to use ;)

@pazdzierz84

I would rest my players too, cause first of all is my team. You can say its not fair to help Poland go through too :-P

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2014-08-26 08:40:01
omg, what an aggresive mole :)

is up to manager, what he wants to use ;)

no shit, Sherlock... :)


and you should win the previous matches

I won the previous match (but only one), remember? I'm by Your side Din0 :P
2014-08-26 08:46:29
I added @ :P
2014-08-26 10:03:38
I want to say something too.

I've always used to work to reach my aims.
Which is my aim in a World Cup in your opinion? Eliminate Poland or reach the best position possible at the end of WC?
I think everyone can guess the second one, obviously!

To do that, is clear i've to follow my own strategy.

Last year i played several qualification match with U20, to preserve my best players for the most important matches, who didn't do in this way?

This season i played a couple of friendlies with U20 too, to prevent the injuries or reds card.
Maybe i lost ranking points and some point on training for best players ok, but this is my strategy.

Why i should stop with it?
We all have the same possibility to play, to win and to lose.
We all have 3 matches to play.
If i'm better (or i have more luck than my opponents, or anything else) and i can afford to play last match without the best players why shouldn't i?

Why should i have to risk my best players for a "friendly" match?
I didn't steal anything from anyone, I played my games and now i have the opportunity not to risk my stars.

I'm not saying i will play with Azerbaijan with 17 an 18 years old players, for sure.
But i think you can't ask me to play with my best team.
It has no sense, no one with a brain would do this.
But i won't do because i can eliminate Poland, i will do for my aim.

And in your opinion this is not fair?
Is not fair because i want to avid some injuries and red cards?
Would you really blame me for this?
I'm not feeling bad for this, i did what i had to do, so now i can take my rest (my players rest) playing with 2nd line players.

As you all know, Brasil quality decreased a lot.
We're 18th in ranking, and as you can see in the stats posted a couple of pages ago in this thread we're not in the top ten as average value, and total value.
I know those stats mean anything, but they can indicate us that Brasil is not a top U21 for this season.

Direct consequence of this, is that we haven't many players or World Cup level, and i can't risk my star to get injuries before the eigtfinal.

I don't know if you share this "strategy", this thought, or not.
But this is the way i work, i try to get less risks as possible.

Not always who risks more, wins more.
Most of the times who uses brain more (and better), wins more (with random of course in sokker ^^ ).

Fabbro
2014-08-26 10:46:06
I have same point of view ;)