Subject: »U20 - Users who broke agreement

Do not call anyone a notorious liar unless you know what has happened ;-) Actually, mikefull (former admin and a very respectable user) is one of the most honest guys here on Sokker, so I guess there must have been some issue (either he forgot, or there might have been some misunderstaning) and using some 21yo players was definitely not intentional. Nobody needs to be afraid of arranging a friendly with him. So please, weigh your words more carefully next time.

I call each one by his name as he deserve.
I agree that he "Forgot" to behave as a man.
You can play with him( I see you try to justify such behavior) as im sure You are similar:). If You feel the weight of my words its only Your problem:)

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I understand you, but it is normal that people make mistakes. I made mistake this week, bacause i hurriedly aranged match with Nicaragua and I forgot on match with Maroco. My big mistakes and i understand, that coach of Maroco was and is :D angry on my person. He is absolutely right. If I was on his place, i would be angry to. On previous page is my rage on Mexiko coach, after day or two I apologized to him, because sokker is only a game and Mike is good man. ;)

Im not angry, as I play u20 and dont feel as a cheater and lair.
Should I write it this way?
"I just want to warn honest users which respect given word not to expect from Sverige u21 coach that he go keep his word, as he can forget to do so.
He is a good, kind and honest person, but he can sometimes do things which are just quite the opposite.
Of course this is just a game, and we have to expect that there are people who will cheat and lie. Such kind of people shouldn't be named as cheaters or liars as they are in deep of their heart very honest people."

Maybe you just overreact too quickly!
I have been 2,5 season U21 chief and it has happen few times that some manager forgot or with whatever reason was not able to set up U20 team. But it doesn't mean that you have to scream around in public forums -.-
Have you tried to take contact with him? Did he replay?
If he did read your mail but didn't react with apologise or anything at all, then you have right to name someone liar IMO.

Is the subject:Friendly U20 - cheaters?
I just point on in-game problems.

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1) Notorious means that someone is famous for sth/that he does so very often. Are you really sure mikefull belongs to the collection of notorious liars? Have you ever heard that mikefull has broken his promise before? If you accused him of being a notorious liar and cannot prove it, you might be a liar yourself. ;)

2) You have never forgot to do sth you promised to do? Not just in sokker, but in real life. Are you perfect? :D

As far as I know him, mikefull is a good guy. I seriously doubt he would intentionally use U21 players. Please wait for his reaction.

P.S.: Next week you can challenge the Czech republic. As you can see we used only U20 players this week. Since I am a member of Czech U21 NT staff, we have always kept our promise regarding U20 matches.

You agree he is a liar but not a notorious?...
When you wrote Since I am a member of Czech U21 NT staff, we have always kept our promise regarding U20 matches. you , intentionally or not, agree that mikefull didn't keep his promise:)
The fact is that Crna Gora u21 was playing with 10-u20 and 1-u19 players, on other side Sverige u21 was playing with 5-u21 and 6-u20 players.
You deserve to play vs U21 teams which coaches are on same honesty level as Sverige u21 coach is.
For sure there wont be any match between Crna Gora u21 and Czech u21 or vs Easty U21, as after all you wrote I believe for you is normal to play the way mikefull's Sverige u21 did.

I think the czech people could have solved this situation without needing to spend so many words. If mikefull is a good guy or not, this is not important, what matters is, he made a mistake for not put the u20 squad to play in this friendly, Let it solve with Artista... Instead of arguing with someone who has his reasons for being angry because he fulfilled his part and the other side did not do the same.

The problem is that our U21 NT staff has just been offended even though we did nothing wrong. Basically all the people who are willing to seek a solution and give second chance have been offended now.

I have not said it is normal. I have just said that mistakes may happen and the coach is not immediately a notorious liar for that reason. Especially if it is someone as respectable as mikefull is. I just asked you to keep your temper and weigh your words.

But if you want to keep on this level. I expect your immediate excuse for your words. Since, as far as I understand you - you accused me of being a liar as well without any purpose. I did never cheat you and I did never cheat anyone else. Are you questioning my honesty level? Start with yourself please. After your exhibition, I don't think you are a respectable coach. You might have reason for being angry, but you don't have a reason to insult others - especially those who just do not blindly agree with you.

@Woody: I do not think that insults and accusations of being a liar is a way to solving the things. That's just a childish behavior while hiding behind his keyboard.

Let Artista it solve this with mikefull, He probably said it because he was very angry about it and this is something normal, in moments of anger we say things that we later regret, I believe they can solve this in peace after the anger passes.

I had that problem two times this season, with two diferent countries. Today i had a game with korea, the agreeament was Portugal U19 vs Koreia u20, had so many things happening at the same time in my personal life, I just did not have time for the game. However, I was careful to come to the game and get a bit of time to use my iphone, to try to get the person informed, that I would not be able to access the internet correctly, and should better for him to put his best players, I thought I had put the right tactics and didnt notice that I played with strikers as midfilders, and midfilders as strikers. The result was an authentic surprise, almost caricature and shameful to my country. Just to say that there are no excuses or forgivable mistakes, because problems we all have, we have made the commitment with our countries so it is a great shame for a coach without no word, and for me is lack of commitment.
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Hi Artista, sorry it was really my mistake, I didnt realized we agreed on U20 match and didnt want to win by some cheating. I think people who talked to me wouldnt call me liar at all, I dont remember I broke some deal before but ofc I can be wrong. Anyway just to be sure, this is what I wrote you into sk-mail.


Zpráva od: mikefull
Komu: Artista
Datum poslání: 2017-06-09 10:32
Předmět: Re: u21

Hello Artista,
well your NT is way better than our, but we can play.. I dont know if I have enough B players to setup U20 squad, but I will try to :)

But as I told, I was really in time press on friday and I didnt realized we wanted to arrange it as U20. You can call me as you want, I dont feel offended, but I was in touch with hundreds managers and always without any problem. Just please call down, its really no reason to be frustrated. I was ready to lose 10:0 with you and if you feel betrayed, its your right to be.

Please next time feel free to talk to me directly and not via forum, especially if I am not online and cannot tell anything to it. This is really rude and childish,but I believe you are good guy and you didnt meant it bad way. For me its more funny if someone call me liar, even notorious.. because this is really not my way of playing this game.

Ok I apologized for the game, now its your turn if you want to solve it publicly, I am ready to accept your handshake and forget it.

There is nothing to forgive. Facts are facts. If I lose a game im going to congratulate always the opposite player, but loosing this way is not acceptable.
Im not offended, my community is offended as we lose 2 rank positions and 50 points.
Being a coach of Crna Gora U21 is not a simple position cos small player base cos we are very small community. Our champ team goes out in first round of Champions League.
That way we are very committed (unfortunately there are few exceptions) to reach our goal, to win a medal on WC.
Del P1er0 was close to do that, and one day we will reach our goal.
After recent writing I see some of of Česká republika U21 people think that cheating is normal, dont want to write down names cos dont want to push this story further.
Its very difficult for someone to write that what You wrote and Im impressed positive way. Hope You wont make such mistakes toward some other manager and u21 teams.
Anyway Im not less disappointed with some of people for whom such "mistakes" are normal, but Im glad that they feel weight of my words.
This way I just rise the voice for all who were suffering for such " mistakes".