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Do you consider yourself a "high transfer trading" team as well? You sold 887 players in 12.5 years, that's ~71/year, Filippo Sqad sold 360 players in 7 years, that's ~51.5/year.
It seems that juyyt is even bigger monkey trader, but during 13 years he failed to reach the top division in a relatively easy country.
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High Frequency Trading doesn't mean only amount of players sold out. Count also 'buy in' and mostly the total money traffic if you want really to metric the effort spend on market for trading.
Tetryk traffic :
623 193 175 € in. 300M+ by year
469 808 368 € out 230M+ by year.
TOTAL 530M+ traffic by year
Filippo Sqad :
719 497 053 € in 140M+ by year
758 075 554 € out 150M by year.
TOTAL 290M+ traffic by year
Me myself i :
685 092 055 € in 50M+ by year
643 570 106 € out 50M+ by year
TOTAL 100M+ traffic by year
But whatever. You can add me to those monkey traders if needed (or part of poor traders as well, no problem i am in ! :-)). Once again i never said we can't reach "faster" a higher level when you spend most of your times playing a market game; but that wasn't my point. Most usual teams doesn't spend much of their times on market, inflation will never help.
And definitely, if we really need to measure the gap between the "older" and the new ones, just calculate the average age of teams in 1st leagues.
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Tetryk traffic :
623 193 175 € in. 300M+ by year
469 808 368 € out 230M+ by year.
TOTAL 530M+ traffic by year
Filippo Sqad :
719 497 053 € in 140M+ by year
758 075 554 € out 150M by year.
TOTAL 290M+ traffic by year
Me myself i :
685 092 055 € in 50M+ by year
643 570 106 € out 50M+ by year
TOTAL 100M+ traffic by year
But whatever. You can add me to those monkey traders if needed (or part of poor traders as well, no problem i am in ! :-)). Once again i never said we can't reach "faster" a higher level when you spend most of your times playing a market game; but that wasn't my point. Most usual teams doesn't spend much of their times on market, inflation will never help.
And definitely, if we really need to measure the gap between the "older" and the new ones, just calculate the average age of teams in 1st leagues.
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One of our best and famous french team (Nara team - stefnihon) restart the game few years ago. He is now in top league, 8 years after... That's the "best" example i found in france.
Funny how you totally forgot to take my team as an example. Maybe because this does not fit with your demonstration ?
Tetryk is not wrong. You failed to reach and stay at the top and now you are trying to convince us that the rules should be changed to fit your incapacity to succeed at this game.
Funny how you totally forgot to take my team as an example. Maybe because this does not fit with your demonstration ?
Tetryk is not wrong. You failed to reach and stay at the top and now you are trying to convince us that the rules should be changed to fit your incapacity to succeed at this game.
And a friend of me who started on 2014 was on 2018 still on league 3 in Greece and bankrupt.
At this moment he realized that perhaps he made mistakes. Since then:
- 2019 league 2 and bigger arena
- 2020 still league 2 and best U21 strikers of Polska, Brazil etc...
- 2021 league 1 and more than 30 mil €
https://sokker.org/history_team/teamID/68359
This is what Tetryk and Mikoos try to say (I supose so); it is very easy to fail in sokker, because everyone makes mistakes,
and if someone is willing to learn and accept, that he makes mistakes, then he can do miracles in 2-3 years.
So, one has to accept, that he plays like a silly donkey, otherwise he remains a silly donkey and spams the forum with his silly comments.
At this moment he realized that perhaps he made mistakes. Since then:
- 2019 league 2 and bigger arena
- 2020 still league 2 and best U21 strikers of Polska, Brazil etc...
- 2021 league 1 and more than 30 mil €
https://sokker.org/history_team/teamID/68359
This is what Tetryk and Mikoos try to say (I supose so); it is very easy to fail in sokker, because everyone makes mistakes,
and if someone is willing to learn and accept, that he makes mistakes, then he can do miracles in 2-3 years.
So, one has to accept, that he plays like a silly donkey, otherwise he remains a silly donkey and spams the forum with his silly comments.
And yes, I used to play sokker for many years like a silly donkey and sometimes I still make silly decissions.
But it's not a problem of sokker, it is mine.
But it's not a problem of sokker, it is mine.
i was thinking about stef because he is really smarter than you. My bad. So 6 years, you do it better ! Can we call 6 years of game a "fast" move ? It's sokker i know, but... Does it change anything of what i said initially about the overall gap between newcomers and older and inflation? Can we expect more challenges and more new users that keep playing. Well... Everything is on the rails. Ladies.
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Also, count 'buy in'
Why? If so many more players are bought than sold then there are many players that are only bought and never sold, I wouldn't count them as "trading". I assume most of these never sold players where trash players not worth selling.
and mostly, total money traffic
Better club = better players = higher prices on these players, whether they are bought or sold, that's normal and it says nothing about the "effort spend on market for trading". If you compare his transfers to other teams on similar level he won't stand out, some teams are making more transfers, some less.
But whatever. You can add me to monkey traders if needed. Once again i never said we can't reach "faster" a higher level when you spend most of your times playing a market game; but that wasn't my point. Most usual teams doesn't spend much of their times on market, inflation will never help.
I don't say you are a trader. I say that if you count Filippo Sqad as a "high trading" team, then most teams in higher divisions are "high trading" as well, and that information adds nothing to the discussion about "can new clubs reach higher level fast".
My take on that topic:
What do you need to be considered a top team? You can convert these things to money.
- players from main squad - I don't really know, are players worth 10M euro enough? 10M * 11 = 110M
- few subs for main squad, let's say 5M * 4 = 20M
- you need few millions just to get nice coaches
- you probably want to build a nice stadium, let's say 60k stadium with seats under roof - about 12-13M euro
Total about 150M euro. Of course it assumes you can magically spawn your club in Ekstraklasa and compete there, so there will be some additional costs in climbing leagues. Cheaper in smaller countries where you can do that jump in 1 season. You also need to have some good young players that you train, so you have a chance to compete in future, that will also cost some money. Let's say you need 200M euro total.
Now, clubs can get profit from training players. How much profit can you make from training a player for a season? Let's count that in old 16-weeks seasons and let's look at the very young clubs. I made my team 7 months ago. In my whole history i had 15 players that I trained, I paid for them about 400k euro total. I sold 5 of them for 4.2M (3.8M after taxes), the other 10 I still train, I think they are worth now about 10M. That's ~12.5M profit in 1.75 seasons if I was going to sell them all, and as a new club I had to start with pretty weak players and coaches. So training gave me about 7M / season. I would make better profits if at the start I had the knowledge that I have now.
After that initial time, when you can afford better coaches and players that are worth more from the start, you can get much more money from training, let's safely say 15M / season if you know what you are doing.
Btw. I don't say you need to sell players to get a "profit". You can as well use them as your main players, even when you reach a point where you can get to top. Terrion in champions cup final used 6 players bought 4 years ago for almost nothing. I just convert everything to money, because it makes calculations easier.
5 years is ~16 (old) seasons, 16 * 15M = 240M profits from training (again, not literal "money profit", just "increase in total team value"), not counting other profits (weekly balance, youths sold), should be enough to create a team ready to compete on top level and staying there by balancing "money lost from older players losing their value" with "money gained from training" and other profits. So someone who created a team 5 years ago may now be on top, without being a trader.
Yes, that's still a lot of time, but you don't need to be on top of the world for the game to be fun, also only a small percentage of players will ever reach the top level (at least in bigger countries), that's just how the game must be.
Why? If so many more players are bought than sold then there are many players that are only bought and never sold, I wouldn't count them as "trading". I assume most of these never sold players where trash players not worth selling.
and mostly, total money traffic
Better club = better players = higher prices on these players, whether they are bought or sold, that's normal and it says nothing about the "effort spend on market for trading". If you compare his transfers to other teams on similar level he won't stand out, some teams are making more transfers, some less.
But whatever. You can add me to monkey traders if needed. Once again i never said we can't reach "faster" a higher level when you spend most of your times playing a market game; but that wasn't my point. Most usual teams doesn't spend much of their times on market, inflation will never help.
I don't say you are a trader. I say that if you count Filippo Sqad as a "high trading" team, then most teams in higher divisions are "high trading" as well, and that information adds nothing to the discussion about "can new clubs reach higher level fast".
My take on that topic:
What do you need to be considered a top team? You can convert these things to money.
- players from main squad - I don't really know, are players worth 10M euro enough? 10M * 11 = 110M
- few subs for main squad, let's say 5M * 4 = 20M
- you need few millions just to get nice coaches
- you probably want to build a nice stadium, let's say 60k stadium with seats under roof - about 12-13M euro
Total about 150M euro. Of course it assumes you can magically spawn your club in Ekstraklasa and compete there, so there will be some additional costs in climbing leagues. Cheaper in smaller countries where you can do that jump in 1 season. You also need to have some good young players that you train, so you have a chance to compete in future, that will also cost some money. Let's say you need 200M euro total.
Now, clubs can get profit from training players. How much profit can you make from training a player for a season? Let's count that in old 16-weeks seasons and let's look at the very young clubs. I made my team 7 months ago. In my whole history i had 15 players that I trained, I paid for them about 400k euro total. I sold 5 of them for 4.2M (3.8M after taxes), the other 10 I still train, I think they are worth now about 10M. That's ~12.5M profit in 1.75 seasons if I was going to sell them all, and as a new club I had to start with pretty weak players and coaches. So training gave me about 7M / season. I would make better profits if at the start I had the knowledge that I have now.
After that initial time, when you can afford better coaches and players that are worth more from the start, you can get much more money from training, let's safely say 15M / season if you know what you are doing.
Btw. I don't say you need to sell players to get a "profit". You can as well use them as your main players, even when you reach a point where you can get to top. Terrion in champions cup final used 6 players bought 4 years ago for almost nothing. I just convert everything to money, because it makes calculations easier.
5 years is ~16 (old) seasons, 16 * 15M = 240M profits from training (again, not literal "money profit", just "increase in total team value"), not counting other profits (weekly balance, youths sold), should be enough to create a team ready to compete on top level and staying there by balancing "money lost from older players losing their value" with "money gained from training" and other profits. So someone who created a team 5 years ago may now be on top, without being a trader.
Yes, that's still a lot of time, but you don't need to be on top of the world for the game to be fun, also only a small percentage of players will ever reach the top level (at least in bigger countries), that's just how the game must be.
Sc Gravona [86739]
Joined: 2016-12-17
Team has been promoted to Ligue 1. 2021-11-22
That's not 6, but 4 yrs and 11 months (15 seasons)
With the new rules, 1 season is 13 weeks long, so 15 seasons last 3 years and 9 months.
Apart form that, 2 (2/12) teams may promote instead of 1 (1/8) - that's a 33% higher chances for promotion.
If Damian would like to start with a new team, he could easily promote to the top french division in less than 3 years.
And the last thing - you said, there are smarter managers in France, so i guess they may promote even quicker.
Joined: 2016-12-17
Team has been promoted to Ligue 1. 2021-11-22
That's not 6, but 4 yrs and 11 months (15 seasons)
With the new rules, 1 season is 13 weeks long, so 15 seasons last 3 years and 9 months.
Apart form that, 2 (2/12) teams may promote instead of 1 (1/8) - that's a 33% higher chances for promotion.
If Damian would like to start with a new team, he could easily promote to the top french division in less than 3 years.
And the last thing - you said, there are smarter managers in France, so i guess they may promote even quicker.
Yes, that's still a lot of time (5 years - 240M€ profit), but you don't need to be on top of the world for the game to be fun, also only a small percentage of players will ever reach the top level (at least in bigger countries), that's just how the game must be.
How the game must be ! +1000
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Rich team will always be richer then poor teams...... this is not communism, this is "Who is the best manager".... it took me 6 seasons back in 2009-10 to reach 70 rating, since then i have always been able to choose between 70+ or having fun with trainees..... that others is not capable of this, is not inflation, but bad management.... i wanna bet that you can have top tier team in most countries in 6-8 seasons except romania, polska and ?? ..... isnt this the way it suppose to be??
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and some boring stats:
Average league rating in the first half of the season
(the number after each countrys initials represent the number of active managers.
active managers = logged at least one time in the past 30 days)
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and some boring stats:
Average league rating in the first half of the season
(the number after each countrys initials represent the number of active managers.
active managers = logged at least one time in the past 30 days)
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I managed to build a top quality team (77 average mark) in 4 years since I started, But I have been playing before that. From all the examples given I would say that 4 years seems to be shortest possible time to achieve top level from the scratch for the best managers.
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Rich team will always be richer then poor teams......
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Polish Ekstraklasa stats are low, because of this team:
37.4 FC Fighters
37.4 FC Fighters