Subject: NEWS Sokker- big changes are coming!

To give a general feeling on how it would look like after merging all countries together, top teams from biggest countries, average notes from season, 70+:

Poland:

80.1 Adventoure Group Ekstraklasa
79.7 The Naturals Ekstraklasa
79.0 Niszczyciele Ekstraklasa
78.6 vordamm Ekstraklasa
78.2 Filippo Sqad Ekstraklasa
76.2 Lokomotiv Mińsk Maz. Liga II.01
75.8 Paginator Armada Ekstraklasa
74.9 FC Toboł Kostanaj Liga III.07
74.9 Bergman Hindenburg Ekstraklasa
74.2 Japanese Futbol Ekstraklasa
73.5 KS Polonia Skierniewice Liga II.01
73.3 Domik Tuchola Ekstraklasa
72.8 Kaszubia Starzyno Liga II.02
72.7 Kajoza Liga II.01
72.7 KS Wisła Puławy Liga III.08
72.7 Leśne Buchaje Liga II.01
72.5 White power Ekstraklasa
72.3 Ogóry Liga II.02
72.2 FC Chełmek Liga II.02
72.0 Juventus Dąbrowa Górnicza Liga III.01
72.0 WislaKrakow Liga III.04
71.9 Alexandria SC Liga III.09
71.8 FC Glovas Liga III.07
71.5 Wściekłe Pięści Węża Liga III.09
71.2 LKS Stara Wieś Liga II.01
71.2 Illuminati Team Liga II.03
71.2 The Shedenders Liga III.05
70.9 MOSP Białystok Liga II.03
70.9 ASRIM Iskrzynia Liga II.01
70.7 Danka`s Team Liga II.01
70.5 Legia_Warszawa Liga II.02
70.5 KS Starówka Liga II.03
70.3 Farbowane Lisy Liga II.02
70.3 PAKA DEBESCIAKA Liga III.08
70.1 Fc Real Wrocław Liga III.09

Romania:
77.8 united mihailesti Liga I
77.3 AC Milan!!! Liga II.02
76.6 FC Unirea Focsani Liga I
76.3 fc.edi Liga II.01
75.8 F.C. LANUS Liga II.02
75.7 F.C.M. BORSA Liga I
75.5 Chimia Râmnicu-Vâlcea Liga I
75.0 Ciocarlia Liga I
74.7 DANFC Liga I
74.4 AFC Şincai Liga I
73.7 ciresarii Liga II.01
71.5 Juventus Valenii de Munte Liga II.01
70.7 Innovation Football Liga II.01

Italy:
74.2 RINGHIOBOYZ Serie A
73.9 Realcampo Serie B.02
73.0 Real Termini Serie A
72.7 News Time Serie A
72.0 TrInAcRiA Serie B.01
71.5 A Mani Basse Serie B.02
71.3 valsesia Serie B.01
71.0 Mao International Serie C.08
70.7 toraomeravigliao Serie B.02
70.6 magica1985 Serie B.02
70.5 DonPepponi Serie B.03
70.4 Littoria Serie C.03
70.1 U.C. BOREALE Serie A

Spain:
76.4 FormulaManager Primera División
75.0 LOS chavos a TOPE C.f Primera División
73.7 ulubli_lodosa Primera División
73.4 Muchachada Nui II División.02
72.1 Diamantes Locos Primera División
71.9 BRONCAS BOYS Primera División
70.5 Feitos F.C Primera División
70.1 the_tom_pettyites II División.01

France:
76.1 DrogbaTeam Ligue 1
74.6 Sc Gravona Ligue 1
70.5 Le Juste Milieu Ligue 1
70.2 Griffon fc Ligue 1
70.1 FC Merluchon Ligue 2.01

Belgię:
78.8 Team Royalty Eerste Klasse
72.1 FC Kings Erotica Eerste Klasse
70.9 Gjoernin Eerste Klasse
70.9 The Hotspur Eerste Klasse
70.0 Coon and friends Eerste Klasse

Turkey:
73.1 **HAN SPOR** Süper Lig
72.9 ehtiyarlar Süper Lig
72.2 Coritiba FC Süper Lig
70.7 Sultangazispor 2. Lig.02
70.5 KAYSERİ SPOR A.Ş 2. Lig.03
70.1 Bilgetürk Süper Lig

Argentina:
77.7 ASROMA Primera División
75.4 Herta Spartak Primera División
71.6 AMOR AL FÚTBOL REAL Primera División
71.6 Club Atletico Pincha Primera División


Deutschland:
71.8 Little Sokker Angels Bundesliga
71.2 Anarchia Karlsruhe Bundesliga

Eesti:
75.1 Jälgimäe Lõvid Meistriliiga

England:
71.1 Thamesmead Town FC Premiership

Now, top teams from a couple of smaller countries that 'would like to merge'

Australia

68.5 Chelsea.F.C A-League
65.3 Achmids Soul A-League
61.7 Ukmerges ,,Vienybe A-League
57.9 Team Moose Power A-League
55.0 cisco spurs A-League
54.7 Stamford Rangers A-League
52.5 CHILE_FC A-League
49.2 The Comets A-League

Chile
69.7 Querubinos Campeonato Nacional
65.8 Autistas FC Campeonato Nacional
62.3 Ragnarök F.C Campeonato Nacional
62.1 RC Santiago Campeonato Nacional
62.0 Deportes ValdiviA Campeonato Nacional
61.9 Flaite`s United Campeonato Nacional
61.7 Talcahuano Azul FC Segunda División.02
59.7 Grey Wolves FC Campeonato Nacional
59.4 Jesus es el Señor FC Campeonato Nacional
59.4 The Stronghold Campeonato Nacional

Latvija:

70.9 Football Warriors Virslīga
62.3 SK Puikas Virslīga
61.5 Riga FC Virslīga
60.2 FC Ogre Virslīga
58.7 Reinito Virslīga
57.2 Cīnītāji Virslīga
52.8 ASK-Songhua Virslīga
48.6 Daugavas Vanagi Virslīga

Honestly i wouldn't mind, and that gives this game way more challenge for other countries as, financially it would be possible at some point to reach higher level. Probably yes, something needs to be done for Champions Cup and invent something else etc.. but again for smaller countries, it will be impossible to reach anywhere with current system. Probably 1st tier team will say NO to it, but at some point maybe they will accept the challenge too. I wouldn't mind playing in 10th tier league if i play against real human players which is way more interesting.

...and so on.

Are you guys sure, that people from small countries would be interested to play in lowest leagues of the game for many seasons?

Yes, it would definitely be a nice change for BIG teams from BIGGER countries, teams that play for 70-80.
How many such teams are there? How many this change would actually help out?

You see, that's the point.
Some would like, some would hate it.

I for example would like to play for a couple of seasons in a semi-big country, so that I can easily train and fight for national championship and each season/almost every season go to Champions Cup.

As for current system, the idea is for the game to grow so that there are no 'deserts' and there are no bots in highest leagues.

You can always keep national cup as it is and winners compete in CC. Just like you keep nations as a whole and NTs, U21s etc. I dont see your argument at all. Everyone then would have the same chances, same resources available and same competition. Yeah, most of the top teams would be from Poland - just like you have proportionally the most users but there would always be international teams who can compete and win.

realise that they will never win anything
Playing in country with ~10 teams you already realize from the get go that you will never win anything. As winning without competition means nothing as there is 0 challenge in doing that.

Looking at average marks is not accurate as well. I could field 80 mark team if there would be a point in doing so. Instead I can focus on training and field whatever scrubs I want because in the end that wont matter for results. But that doesnt makes game any more interesting, quite the opposite.
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Everyone then would have the same chances, same resources available and same competition.

questions is do people actually, in general want it

not if a couple of top tier managers playing for 75+ want it

as for resources, I'm not so sure that people would get the same amount of money in 5/6/7 league as they are getting now, I doubt it, people have a bad idea on how many you get from sponsors in Poland etc.

I'm getting 250k euro in 3rd league at the moment.

Plus it wouldn't be so easy to train and stay in top league as it is in smaller countries. But yeah, I understand that for SOME teams it would be more interesting to merge, because they have no competition locally.

I could field 80 mark team if there would be a point in doing so.

so could I and XX teams in Poland. there are lots of people that actually have a lot more than 125m euro on their accounts but stay in lower leagues.

that's why I'm pasting average notes. lots of teams training, rebuilding etc.

Btw. if you can field a 80+ team and you need a competition, then why aren't you doing that in the Champions Cup...?

your last attempts ended in 1st round, 3rd round, 2nd rounds, 1st round, 1st rounds, 1st round

What stops you from competing there?

Of course there would be - and you can have a target for when to field that team and compete for something. Playing in small country - there is none besides some CC games depending on luck and then waiting a season for next ones. 125m is not enough for 80 mark team though, closer to 200m needed these days if you dont aim for 1 season of 30+ players.

But I guess this is a pointless discussion in the end because the devs dont want any solution besides "wait for years, maybe there will be new users" and it doesnt looks like it will change so they will let small countries die sooner or later.

I dont like the idea of merging... and would be the first to leave. The only thing that left me in this game is the national community and the fun on the international, no matter the results.
Merging all of us will just kill/end the game in the x36 fast forward, in my opinion

+1
I totally agree with this weired guy called trga
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Yup, I also don't like the idea

I'd like a total-competition kind of thing, but I think that communities are or maybe were what kept the users playing, forged some friendships etc.

On the other hand playing in a dead country with no community must have much less of quality

Maybe it would be a good idea to allow people to switch countries once in let's say 10 seasons
but starting from lowest league

I think one solution could look like this:
- Every Sunday national league, in leagues of 12 teams, like now, but only 11 mathes in one season. Each team plays only 1 time against the others, like e.g. in Brazilian or Argentinian league
- Every Wednesday: International League or for everybody. Teams in leagues of various levels. Higher ranking points, higher level.

That would be pretty messy sponsor-wise but I guess doable.

Also...I think that would actually make it MUCH easier for smaller/semibig countries, since you could easily train 10 players in national league and then use main team in international league.