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is putting players of some banned user on TL harmful to game or any of its non-cheating users?
Imo, yes, as long as the team has not become a botteam yet.
There still might be reasons for the banned player to return to his club in a legitimate way, with a reasonable explanation and / or warning.
Bans are reversable and may be given wrongly or too fast.
Also, drastic measures like this are imo common to share with other admins (admin forum) and need confirmation or approval to proceed.
If this is not the case, then it should be added into the rules, so there are no mistakes.
Also, it might be good to ''log'' teams who intervenes with another team, so at least other admins can see who was responsible for certain actions.
Imo, yes, as long as the team has not become a botteam yet.
There still might be reasons for the banned player to return to his club in a legitimate way, with a reasonable explanation and / or warning.
Bans are reversable and may be given wrongly or too fast.
Also, drastic measures like this are imo common to share with other admins (admin forum) and need confirmation or approval to proceed.
If this is not the case, then it should be added into the rules, so there are no mistakes.
Also, it might be good to ''log'' teams who intervenes with another team, so at least other admins can see who was responsible for certain actions.
For players who have been with us for more than 10 years, we should also consider reducing the penalties. In this case, I think a warning or forced removal of 1 of the 2 clubs will be issued.
It is possible that he violated the rules by holding more than one team, but it did not affect the development of another club or unfair competition.
It is possible that he violated the rules by holding more than one team, but it did not affect the development of another club or unfair competition.
"We tried for two seasons to put the best Turkish player in a suspended team up for sale, but the players of the Vietnamese team are immediately put up for sale."
Yeah, not sketchy at ALL.
Yeah, not sketchy at ALL.
yeah, and I just took a quick glance at transfers and I don't see any transactions between them.
It could have very well been a husband and wife at one point, but then a year later the wife got bored and the husband then had two teams.
It could have very well been a husband and wife at one point, but then a year later the wife got bored and the husband then had two teams.
And 2 accounts (same ip), since 10 years, have necessarily been authorized by one admin. But anyway…
Ultimately it’s an admins affair, not something that should be discussed in a public forum. The very fact that these discussions can be read publicly shows that there's no longer a pilot in the plane. Sokker continues to die…
Ultimately it’s an admins affair, not something that should be discussed in a public forum. The very fact that these discussions can be read publicly shows that there's no longer a pilot in the plane. Sokker continues to die…
Michal Káník 19 outstanding [12] outfield 1 = 36 to 39 skillsum
Richard Vavřička 18 excellent [10] GK 2 = 31 to 34 skillsum
Prokop Mestl 18 formidable [11] outfield 3 = 35 to 38 skillsum
Marcel Kudláček 18 formidable [11] outfield 3 = 35 to 38 skillsum
Arnošt Heřmánek 17 good [7] outfield 3 = 23 to 26 skillsum
So we have first fail from the Mikoos/tool (38 ± 2) and Dtox9 (36 to 39 skillsum)
Michal Káník - sumskill 32 or 34 with stamina. Not sure which one is "predicted". But failed on both.
The 90% cannot be reached anymore wit the 4 players that are left, but lets keep this exercise for a while.
If one more fails, then its 100% sure that Mikoos 90% is wrong. If all 4 will be correct then we will continue with next 5.
Richard Vavřička 18 excellent [10] GK 2 = 31 to 34 skillsum
Prokop Mestl 18 formidable [11] outfield 3 = 35 to 38 skillsum
Marcel Kudláček 18 formidable [11] outfield 3 = 35 to 38 skillsum
Arnošt Heřmánek 17 good [7] outfield 3 = 23 to 26 skillsum
So we have first fail from the Mikoos/tool (38 ± 2) and Dtox9 (36 to 39 skillsum)
Michal Káník - sumskill 32 or 34 with stamina. Not sure which one is "predicted". But failed on both.
The 90% cannot be reached anymore wit the 4 players that are left, but lets keep this exercise for a while.
If one more fails, then its 100% sure that Mikoos 90% is wrong. If all 4 will be correct then we will continue with next 5.
Can you show me graph from Geston's tool? I have never seen this kind of error made.
Edit: Have you checked it after todays training and before pulling him out of YS?
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Edit: Have you checked it after todays training and before pulling him out of YS?
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Yes, i did check it after todays training:
https://pasteboard.co/J06zRvap4BJR.png
Also the player had a lot of matches in junior team, so it should be "accurate".
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https://pasteboard.co/J06zRvap4BJR.png
Also the player had a lot of matches in junior team, so it should be "accurate".
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Very interesting case indeed. High level (long time in YS) and playing in junior league should make the prediction more precise.
I'm like 20/20 juniors correctly predicted using Geston's tool that is why it's surprising to me (going by +- 2 skills diference).
Maybe it has something to do with high level (excellent) being more valuable?
I'm like 20/20 juniors correctly predicted using Geston's tool that is why it's surprising to me (going by +- 2 skills diference).
Maybe it has something to do with high level (excellent) being more valuable?
Also, there's a good linear correlation of talent on sktables ( talent≈4.9✓ ) final level 12 (even 12.5) is accurate. Also, poor talent seems accurate :-)
Ratios 3, 3.1 3.2 have never been "usually" constant and correlated according to my calculations, and even less so when the talent is poor or uncertain.. I bet this ratio is not a constant and/or depend on talent factor.
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Ratios 3, 3.1 3.2 have never been "usually" constant and correlated according to my calculations, and even less so when the talent is poor or uncertain.. I bet this ratio is not a constant and/or depend on talent factor.
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There is one week in SV missing, so it should be like THIS
I've added 10 as missing week level.
I've added 10 as missing week level.
it's even worse ^^
My expectations (on BlueZero test) would be that sumskills will be predicted if talent is good and offset if talent is poor (assuming talent itself is predictive).
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My expectations (on BlueZero test) would be that sumskills will be predicted if talent is good and offset if talent is poor (assuming talent itself is predictive).
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I have started this test, because i dont believe that the sumskill prediction is as reliable as Mikoos was saying.
I have never used Geston's tool but from my experience (19 years on sokker), the final skills when you promote the junior are unpredictable, they have been all over the place all the time.
I remember getting brilliant junior with about 38 sumskill.
But maybe greg applied some setting on my team that i get everything worse than others :-P.
I believe i had only one magical junior, 0 unearthly in all those 19 years on sokker. And i know there are managers that had multiple unearthly in shorter time.
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I have never used Geston's tool but from my experience (19 years on sokker), the final skills when you promote the junior are unpredictable, they have been all over the place all the time.
I remember getting brilliant junior with about 38 sumskill.
But maybe greg applied some setting on my team that i get everything worse than others :-P.
I believe i had only one magical junior, 0 unearthly in all those 19 years on sokker. And i know there are managers that had multiple unearthly in shorter time.
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I also expect that in the subgroup of these youths with top talent and 30+ weeks in ys there will also be 80%+ with initial 0.x gk skill.
You can expect, but nothing tell you that this subgroup is not part of 20% starting at least 1 gk... It's a wrong data analysis if you think that there'r 80% of probability for each subgroups.
If your theory was true then it would completely break this correlation, because initial skills would have much bigger impact on final skills.
For example someone starting at level [2] and finishing at level [12] would need to have about ~half of the final sumskill of someone starting at level [4] and finishing at [14]
Well, bring back to this conversation...
Level/sumskills progression is relative to talent (in my expected model), you compare 12/2 14/4 but it's not the same ratio (or talent). Levels progression are not relative to level itself, i didnt catch your point.
If i take your words :
level 2 * 3.2 = 6.4 sumskills
level 12 * 3.2 = 38,4 sumskills
level 4 * 3.2 = 12,8 sumskills
level 14 * 3.2 = 44,8 sum-skills
Even if level 2 is twice of level 4 sumkills, ending levels 12/14 are not "half of...".
Not such a big diff in the end.
My theory is not against linear progression — initial skills/levels/sumksills growing at same factor — it could even match your ~3.2 skills, so it's not typically against your own correlation. For sure starting skills have impact, but not as much as you seems to say in term of absolute skills.
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You can expect, but nothing tell you that this subgroup is not part of 20% starting at least 1 gk... It's a wrong data analysis if you think that there'r 80% of probability for each subgroups.
If your theory was true then it would completely break this correlation, because initial skills would have much bigger impact on final skills.
For example someone starting at level [2] and finishing at level [12] would need to have about ~half of the final sumskill of someone starting at level [4] and finishing at [14]
Well, bring back to this conversation...
Level/sumskills progression is relative to talent (in my expected model), you compare 12/2 14/4 but it's not the same ratio (or talent). Levels progression are not relative to level itself, i didnt catch your point.
If i take your words :
level 2 * 3.2 = 6.4 sumskills
level 12 * 3.2 = 38,4 sumskills
level 4 * 3.2 = 12,8 sumskills
level 14 * 3.2 = 44,8 sum-skills
Even if level 2 is twice of level 4 sumkills, ending levels 12/14 are not "half of...".
Not such a big diff in the end.
My theory is not against linear progression — initial skills/levels/sumksills growing at same factor — it could even match your ~3.2 skills, so it's not typically against your own correlation. For sure starting skills have impact, but not as much as you seems to say in term of absolute skills.
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