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the strange thing for me is that we had a discussion and a vote and in conclusion a compromise with NT friendlies as arcade. And now they change it again, without discussion and vote, due to some complainers? If they pay attention to that, they also could have reduced injuries in general.
that's not really what happened
there was a flawed vote where Raul promised "everything" as extra to NT (money for injuries, extra training, higher attendance) and that was the option that won. But it won because people thought they will get a lot of money, over 100% training etc. and Raul had in mind "extra training" just like now, more money = players weekly wage when injured in NT etc.
and it was over 3 years ago, during those 3 years from voting they did nothing and would do nothing in next months, years.
so there was a second voting, which gave just "easy" options - and there the option with no injuries/no training won by landslide, over 70% chose that.
What do you prefer in official NT games:
No injuries / no training 71% (174)
Injuries / training 29% (71)
I feel a bit sad for no training anymore for U21 players from NT matches, it was an interesting aspect of the game.
I honestly never saw that as interesting because of how limited/random it was... clubs trained youths since 16 to 20 in their club, with no NT help and then selected few got NT training at 21yo... if they were chosen each week, if they were chosen with same playing order etc. The problem with training youths is 16-19... not at 21yo.
And in senior NTs playing time gave nothing to owners, only injury risks because every senior NT player already got 99-100% from club minutes.
that's not really what happened
there was a flawed vote where Raul promised "everything" as extra to NT (money for injuries, extra training, higher attendance) and that was the option that won. But it won because people thought they will get a lot of money, over 100% training etc. and Raul had in mind "extra training" just like now, more money = players weekly wage when injured in NT etc.
and it was over 3 years ago, during those 3 years from voting they did nothing and would do nothing in next months, years.
so there was a second voting, which gave just "easy" options - and there the option with no injuries/no training won by landslide, over 70% chose that.
What do you prefer in official NT games:
No injuries / no training 71% (174)
Injuries / training 29% (71)
I feel a bit sad for no training anymore for U21 players from NT matches, it was an interesting aspect of the game.
I honestly never saw that as interesting because of how limited/random it was... clubs trained youths since 16 to 20 in their club, with no NT help and then selected few got NT training at 21yo... if they were chosen each week, if they were chosen with same playing order etc. The problem with training youths is 16-19... not at 21yo.
And in senior NTs playing time gave nothing to owners, only injury risks because every senior NT player already got 99-100% from club minutes.
This change makes the NT matches like kindergarten. The same importance as the ridiculous youth matches. Stupid change that makes the game even less attractive.
Kindly explain WHY do you need players getting injured in NT games to enjoy those games. How players getting injured and then unable to play for their club make the NT game more or less important?
It definitely made the games much more annoying for users who used to hide skills because they had 10+ players playing week in week out in NT. It also made people very annoyed when they had a player with slight injury, who was still being played by NT coaches who didn't give a damn and risked the player getting a very long injury (slightly injured players have higher chance of injury and high chance of very long injury).
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Kindly explain WHY do you need players getting injured in NT games to enjoy those games. How players getting injured and then unable to play for their club make the NT game more or less important?
It definitely made the games much more annoying for users who used to hide skills because they had 10+ players playing week in week out in NT. It also made people very annoyed when they had a player with slight injury, who was still being played by NT coaches who didn't give a damn and risked the player getting a very long injury (slightly injured players have higher chance of injury and high chance of very long injury).
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the only one that risked anything was the owner of player
NT coach risked nothing, he just played with players of other people. and NT coaches often used best players against weakest opponents exactly because there was no risk for them. if the players got injured - not their problem.
I must agree on this! I had 8 U21 players and they played 80% of U21 official matches, mostly with orders I couldn't use at all for "extra" training - I trained defenders playmaker skill, my midfielder played with ATT order in U21 (outstanding striker), etc.
And at start of season I had less players in my team so sometimes they played 2 league games and cup. U21 was only gamble and I was relieved when noone get injured!
NT coach risked nothing, he just played with players of other people. and NT coaches often used best players against weakest opponents exactly because there was no risk for them. if the players got injured - not their problem.
I must agree on this! I had 8 U21 players and they played 80% of U21 official matches, mostly with orders I couldn't use at all for "extra" training - I trained defenders playmaker skill, my midfielder played with ATT order in U21 (outstanding striker), etc.
And at start of season I had less players in my team so sometimes they played 2 league games and cup. U21 was only gamble and I was relieved when noone get injured!
Hi Geston,
@mauser happened to post a lot of information on the German forum today and answered my most pressing questions about the IC Cup matches and the next steps. That’s why I’ll personally wait and see how everything develops in the new SOKKER Season 77—hopefully everything goes well.
I’ll therefore put all other open questions on hold for now, as we first need to gather experience to see whether old problems (including bugs and other sources of error) have actually been largely eliminated for the new season or are already in the process of being resolved. :)
@mauser happened to post a lot of information on the German forum today and answered my most pressing questions about the IC Cup matches and the next steps. That’s why I’ll personally wait and see how everything develops in the new SOKKER Season 77—hopefully everything goes well.
I’ll therefore put all other open questions on hold for now, as we first need to gather experience to see whether old problems (including bugs and other sources of error) have actually been largely eliminated for the new season or are already in the process of being resolved. :)
Yeah i figured it out but yeah my main concern was that they could have annlunced things a tiny bit in advance would have helped a lot, but oh well i'll give a walkover on wednesday.
"Top NT will use best players against small nations"
Who are those top nations?
I would say there are only some small nations and from day one if one team demolish them every coach plays best players or goal diff. no matter of injuries, not their problem.
Who are those top nations?
I would say there are only some small nations and from day one if one team demolish them every coach plays best players or goal diff. no matter of injuries, not their problem.
Arcade in NT - can injured players play matches?
+1
someone knows ?
+1
someone knows ?
It will be probably same "arcade" as friendly NT games. So injured players can't be used and yellow/red cards don't disappear.
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But in the last international cup(arcade) we were able to use injuried players.
Can it be confirmed with absolute certainty that the chance of injury does not increase (exponentially) as a player plays more games?
As in the chance of getting injured in a players 3rd game in a week is the same as the chance of getting injured in a players 1st game of the week?
As in the chance of getting injured in a players 3rd game in a week is the same as the chance of getting injured in a players 1st game of the week?
Why do we need injuries? The same reason as why we need yellow and red cards I guess... And the same reason why we need money and training restrictions... Why do we need challenges? Because it is laaaaaame! Why even Bother explaining. I feel like I've wasted so much energy now
Yes, you've wasted energy, but you still gave no explanation. Having injuries in club is obviously needed. I asked why do you need injuries particularly in National Team.
What "challenge" is there, where do you see the challenge that you write about...?
NT coaches uses SOMEONE'S player, not his own. The superdivine player gets injured against 50 rating Ghana. How does that bother or challenge the NT coach? He doesn't give a damn, it's not his player, he will use another player next week. If that player also gets injured - still no problem, he will just use a third one.
The problem is created for the owner. Amazing challenge. Let's add random injuries that can happen every day to every player, what an amazing challenge that will be! Because that's the same thing. You log in, you didn't play a game and you suddenly see that your player is injured.
What "challenge" is there, where do you see the challenge that you write about...?
NT coaches uses SOMEONE'S player, not his own. The superdivine player gets injured against 50 rating Ghana. How does that bother or challenge the NT coach? He doesn't give a damn, it's not his player, he will use another player next week. If that player also gets injured - still no problem, he will just use a third one.
The problem is created for the owner. Amazing challenge. Let's add random injuries that can happen every day to every player, what an amazing challenge that will be! Because that's the same thing. You log in, you didn't play a game and you suddenly see that your player is injured.
I gave the solution like 50 times before. Split NT and club injuries and give each their own. NT arcade mode matches are really lame. Why even Bother playing those matches? Just delete NT then... It just takes the entire vibe out of it.
If club injuries are obviously needed, which is the same explanation as the word "because" then that is my explanation for NT injuries. They are obviously needed.
If club injuries are obviously needed, which is the same explanation as the word "because" then that is my explanation for NT injuries. They are obviously needed.
Club injuries are obviously needed because players can't just play 4 games a week, get easy training and not risk getting injured, otherwise everyone would have only 12-14 players because it wouldn't make sense to invest into bench since players could play every game without any issue and risk/
Now tell me why the NT injuries are needed. Saying "really lame" or "vibe" isn't really an argument, that's just an expression of how you feel, I'm asking why.
Now tell me why the NT injuries are needed. Saying "really lame" or "vibe" isn't really an argument, that's just an expression of how you feel, I'm asking why.