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Subject: Bargain / Robbed topic 2.0
R with Sure mate!
Even with very good talent his Max price is close to half that you paid!
Only 4 weeks to the end of season and he going to be 17 y. :(
Even with very good talent his Max price is close to half that you paid!
Only 4 weeks to the end of season and he going to be 17 y. :(
yea almost 17 yo huge price :P
but hope hes good and talented :D
but hope hes good and talented :D
26y, NT player for Paraguay
17 pace 17 def
13 tech 9 pm
9 pass
5m. How is that price?
17 pace 17 def
13 tech 9 pm
9 pass
5m. How is that price?
Volpa will be better if talent 3.5-3.7.... i dont trust ys talent calculations on so few weeks
I have a question when it concerns to bargain or robbed players. There is a team called DieKickers and the most robbed players i have seen so far, are always sold by this team. This weekend, for exemple, he sold "Luis Angulo" for 3,8M and there were MIDs in the market with the same age with 4-5 more MID points with the same age for that price. It's simple just click in geston site and in few seconds you can see better players than his. But users always pays a lot more money for his players than others. I'm curious about that.
First of, this is a lie:
there were MIDs in the market with the same age with 4-5 more MID points with the same age for that price
Angulo MID points were 37 (with decent subskill I must add). So 4-5 points more is 41-42
https://geston.smallhost.pl/sokker/transfers_db.php?ssnsfr=74&ssnsto=74&weekfr=9&curr=2&agemin=18&agemax=18&midssmin=41&order=24&page=1
There were 2 players on TL this week with 41 MID points, no one with 42 MID points but both higher prices and both did not sell:
Adrián Estrella - 6 250 000 $ ; bad talent imo, probably ~4,0 wasn't even worth checking for me
Ian Alvin (your player) - 5 000 000 $ ; talent decent but not great ~3,62
I don't think I have to explain to you how transfer market works as you are literally top3 in the entire game when it comes to training players and selling them for profit.
I have asked Mikoos once if he could make a table with transfer data and he provided :) You can check here (balance per day is in zł but you will get the deal)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G6WZDtI15HyOdKJVk0wIHVUtGFMx2VWpz5Qb6_0LTFg/edit?gid=1347632133#gid=1347632133
A price of a player consists of many variables:
- actuall skills
- subskills
- talent
- luck, timing
So to keep it real with an actual comparisson; let's take Angulo and your Avim.
- actuall skills (Avim 41 , Angulo 37 - difference 4)
- subskills (Avim 41,96 , Angulo 39,46 - difference 2,50)
- talent (Avim 3,62 ; Angulo 3,51)
- luck, timing (So for Angulo I have found a mexican user who wanted to buy him for a longer time. I negotiated with him and agreed on 3 750 000 $. Then he got overbid once. Avim didn't sell for 5 000 000 $ but now he is up from nothing and he might aswell sell for more than 5 000 000 $, as it happens quite a lot with bidwars.
That is actually another problem sokker is facing with user numbers falling down and previous change that killed the marked (new taxes) -> prices of players become unpredictable because there is so few people looking at transfer list. So it often comes down to the point that price of a player is reliant whether 1 or a couple of managers show up for bidding.
Funilly enough I have checked your player yesterday (that's why I have data on him and can make that comparisson). I was wondering whether I should follow a different strategy (buy better players for cheaper but with lower certainty about talent) - Angulo/Avim were bought 1 week apart with a difference of 4,14 mid skills and Avim was cheaper...
Your player will be better than Angulo (with both receiving full training untill they are 27 yp) by only 0,17 mid skill according to my calculations. So from a long-term/potential side of view they are alike.
However, from transfer markter point of view I would say - I was lucky with Angulo - without a buyer he would have sold for ~ 2 500 000 $ maybe.
And Avim - i thought someone will pay that 5 000 000 $, because by sheer mid points he is the best this season.
But users always pays a lot more money for his players than others. I'm curious about that.
I don't know whether you suggest I'm cheating or something but I will answer that as if you were just curious.
The way I scout and buy players I guarantee(or have a high chance) myself to often or almost always have either top talented players or at least good talented players. Those players sell for the most, obviously. I would also like to think that people want to buy from me, because I collect and provide every possible data someone might need. I have never turned down any question about providing full training graph or avoided any other type of question in a truthfull way.
But of course I don't always sell for top prices. My two last transfers before Angulo - Czysty, Różewski - were quite bad given that both of them had TOP talent (~3,20 respectively). For Różewski the buyer told he would have paid easily 2 500 000 $ more if needed. Polish players generally have a tendency to flop but that's just the game.
there were MIDs in the market with the same age with 4-5 more MID points with the same age for that price
Angulo MID points were 37 (with decent subskill I must add). So 4-5 points more is 41-42
https://geston.smallhost.pl/sokker/transfers_db.php?ssnsfr=74&ssnsto=74&weekfr=9&curr=2&agemin=18&agemax=18&midssmin=41&order=24&page=1
There were 2 players on TL this week with 41 MID points, no one with 42 MID points but both higher prices and both did not sell:
Adrián Estrella - 6 250 000 $ ; bad talent imo, probably ~4,0 wasn't even worth checking for me
Ian Alvin (your player) - 5 000 000 $ ; talent decent but not great ~3,62
I don't think I have to explain to you how transfer market works as you are literally top3 in the entire game when it comes to training players and selling them for profit.
I have asked Mikoos once if he could make a table with transfer data and he provided :) You can check here (balance per day is in zł but you will get the deal)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G6WZDtI15HyOdKJVk0wIHVUtGFMx2VWpz5Qb6_0LTFg/edit?gid=1347632133#gid=1347632133
A price of a player consists of many variables:
- actuall skills
- subskills
- talent
- luck, timing
So to keep it real with an actual comparisson; let's take Angulo and your Avim.
- actuall skills (Avim 41 , Angulo 37 - difference 4)
- subskills (Avim 41,96 , Angulo 39,46 - difference 2,50)
- talent (Avim 3,62 ; Angulo 3,51)
- luck, timing (So for Angulo I have found a mexican user who wanted to buy him for a longer time. I negotiated with him and agreed on 3 750 000 $. Then he got overbid once. Avim didn't sell for 5 000 000 $ but now he is up from nothing and he might aswell sell for more than 5 000 000 $, as it happens quite a lot with bidwars.
That is actually another problem sokker is facing with user numbers falling down and previous change that killed the marked (new taxes) -> prices of players become unpredictable because there is so few people looking at transfer list. So it often comes down to the point that price of a player is reliant whether 1 or a couple of managers show up for bidding.
Funilly enough I have checked your player yesterday (that's why I have data on him and can make that comparisson). I was wondering whether I should follow a different strategy (buy better players for cheaper but with lower certainty about talent) - Angulo/Avim were bought 1 week apart with a difference of 4,14 mid skills and Avim was cheaper...
Your player will be better than Angulo (with both receiving full training untill they are 27 yp) by only 0,17 mid skill according to my calculations. So from a long-term/potential side of view they are alike.
However, from transfer markter point of view I would say - I was lucky with Angulo - without a buyer he would have sold for ~ 2 500 000 $ maybe.
And Avim - i thought someone will pay that 5 000 000 $, because by sheer mid points he is the best this season.
But users always pays a lot more money for his players than others. I'm curious about that.
I don't know whether you suggest I'm cheating or something but I will answer that as if you were just curious.
The way I scout and buy players I guarantee(or have a high chance) myself to often or almost always have either top talented players or at least good talented players. Those players sell for the most, obviously. I would also like to think that people want to buy from me, because I collect and provide every possible data someone might need. I have never turned down any question about providing full training graph or avoided any other type of question in a truthfull way.
But of course I don't always sell for top prices. My two last transfers before Angulo - Czysty, Różewski - were quite bad given that both of them had TOP talent (~3,20 respectively). For Różewski the buyer told he would have paid easily 2 500 000 $ more if needed. Polish players generally have a tendency to flop but that's just the game.
Are you jealous because you didn't sell your player on sale for 5M€ at the same time ?
170 Millions euros of profit with meat trading is not enough ?
I have a question when it concerns to bargain or robbed players. There is a team called Petrópolis and the best bargains i have seen so far, are always bought by this team. This weekend, for exemple, he bought " Marc Wollweber" for 312.120 € and there were MIDs in the market last week with the same age and same MID points for four times that price. It's simple just click in geston site and in few seconds you can see how much bargain it is. But users always pays less more money for the players he bids on. I'm curious about that. Is it because Petrópolis team owner wait the last second to outbid, and this for tens of minutes so people with a life loose patience and stop bidding ?
170 Millions euros of profit with meat trading is not enough ?
I have a question when it concerns to bargain or robbed players. There is a team called Petrópolis and the best bargains i have seen so far, are always bought by this team. This weekend, for exemple, he bought " Marc Wollweber" for 312.120 € and there were MIDs in the market last week with the same age and same MID points for four times that price. It's simple just click in geston site and in few seconds you can see how much bargain it is. But users always pays less more money for the players he bids on. I'm curious about that. Is it because Petrópolis team owner wait the last second to outbid, and this for tens of minutes so people with a life loose patience and stop bidding ?
1-I'm sorry if, by any means, it was implied in my coment that you are cheating. I didn't mean that.
2- I think you are older in this game, more time playing this game than me, spend more time, and you are better than me (more clever). No problem with that. I have no ego about that.
3- Angulo was an example. I understand you comparison. Guido Uchoa called attention in brasilian whatsapp group, as he is brasilian, and it was unanimous he was very overpriced. His price was a lot higher than other similar brasilian players we know. But it was other example.
4- I made a quick analises of transfered players. I have nothing to complain about mine. Some of my players are good sells, some of them are bad. It's a fun part of the game. Some users are better than me, like gluttony, Mikos and you. Some of them, not so much. But yes, most overpriced players (compared to similar players in sokker table) most of them is yours. So yes I'm curious.
5- I thought other people would answer. Maybe say that you have a good search tool. And knowing about your work, they know you have good players, and buy them. Or saying that you negociate better. More known user. I expected someones answers. But no problem you answer. I can learn from you
Anyway, I do appologise if it means that i was not polite. Or if it meant that you were cheating. It's easy to say you are better than me. No problem with that.
2- I think you are older in this game, more time playing this game than me, spend more time, and you are better than me (more clever). No problem with that. I have no ego about that.
3- Angulo was an example. I understand you comparison. Guido Uchoa called attention in brasilian whatsapp group, as he is brasilian, and it was unanimous he was very overpriced. His price was a lot higher than other similar brasilian players we know. But it was other example.
4- I made a quick analises of transfered players. I have nothing to complain about mine. Some of my players are good sells, some of them are bad. It's a fun part of the game. Some users are better than me, like gluttony, Mikos and you. Some of them, not so much. But yes, most overpriced players (compared to similar players in sokker table) most of them is yours. So yes I'm curious.
5- I thought other people would answer. Maybe say that you have a good search tool. And knowing about your work, they know you have good players, and buy them. Or saying that you negociate better. More known user. I expected someones answers. But no problem you answer. I can learn from you
Anyway, I do appologise if it means that i was not polite. Or if it meant that you were cheating. It's easy to say you are better than me. No problem with that.
His prices are often higher because
a. he often has top talent (~3.2 players) since he is good at selecting them from TL when first sold
b. with proven talent he also takes time to make a selling deal for fixed price instead of selling from 1€ which is very random in end price
a. he often has top talent (~3.2 players) since he is good at selecting them from TL when first sold
b. with proven talent he also takes time to make a selling deal for fixed price instead of selling from 1€ which is very random in end price
Are you jealous because you didn't sell your player on sale for 5M€ at the same time ?
No, it's a fun part of the game discovering talents. They might sell or not. It's the game. I think it's fun. This weekend was not good for me. But it wouldn't be fun if we always get what we want.
170 Millions euros of profit with meat trading is not enough ?
Yes. I have nothing to complain about my transfers. Some of the are good sells. Some of them are not. In average I have nothing to complain comparing to the whole market. But i dind't complain at all, i don't know why you think I'm complaining.
This weekend, for exemple, he bought " Marc Wollweber" for 312.120 €
I bought Marc for 0,3M. No one overbid him., so i took him. Maybe will be good or not. SK table says he worths 0,5M. Close to market value. Geston site shows other similar players and similar prices.
I don't think you understand my point. And I think you are very unpolite in your last sentences. This is a game. Supose to have fun. If you want to offend people, i wont answer you any more.
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No, it's a fun part of the game discovering talents. They might sell or not. It's the game. I think it's fun. This weekend was not good for me. But it wouldn't be fun if we always get what we want.
170 Millions euros of profit with meat trading is not enough ?
Yes. I have nothing to complain about my transfers. Some of the are good sells. Some of them are not. In average I have nothing to complain comparing to the whole market. But i dind't complain at all, i don't know why you think I'm complaining.
This weekend, for exemple, he bought " Marc Wollweber" for 312.120 €
I bought Marc for 0,3M. No one overbid him., so i took him. Maybe will be good or not. SK table says he worths 0,5M. Close to market value. Geston site shows other similar players and similar prices.
I don't think you understand my point. And I think you are very unpolite in your last sentences. This is a game. Supose to have fun. If you want to offend people, i wont answer you any more.
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Sorry, I thought you were the kind of meat trader, like Gluttony, who complains when they suffer a loss while sitting on millions of euros.
You seem to be focusing on the fact that other users are better than you because their transfer balance is higher than yours.
I don't know what kind of game you're playing, maybe the contest of who has the biggest... but Sokker is supposed to be a football management game, not a trading simulation.
You are just a few sharks in the big Sokker fish tank, so nothing to be proud of really...
You seem to be focusing on the fact that other users are better than you because their transfer balance is higher than yours.
I don't know what kind of game you're playing, maybe the contest of who has the biggest... but Sokker is supposed to be a football management game, not a trading simulation.
You are just a few sharks in the big Sokker fish tank, so nothing to be proud of really...
|I would say that I more often then not sell starting from 1€. It's very hard to find a buyer nowadays...
Selling from 1€ works in my experience both ways. A lot of the time you rither get bad money or way more than expected.
Selling from agreed price = less people interested from the get go (no chance for a low price). Low chance for a bidwar.
Yes, Uchoa's price was very high but went up for 1€ with no agreement. I think I have asked if someone from Brasil is interested in him and got no feedback :P
But again, he was talent 3,22. I can't express enough how important this is and how rare in my experiance such talent is - I check like hundreds of players :p
I remember selling this guy with talent 3,16!
https://sokker.org/player/PID/39340156
I was very dissapointed with the sale but that's how it goes.
@H.Romeu - no problems btw. Maybe I was oversensitive thinking you were attacking me. But that's kind of the vibe with the internet lately, so that was what came to my mind :)
Selling from 1€ works in my experience both ways. A lot of the time you rither get bad money or way more than expected.
Selling from agreed price = less people interested from the get go (no chance for a low price). Low chance for a bidwar.
Yes, Uchoa's price was very high but went up for 1€ with no agreement. I think I have asked if someone from Brasil is interested in him and got no feedback :P
But again, he was talent 3,22. I can't express enough how important this is and how rare in my experiance such talent is - I check like hundreds of players :p
I remember selling this guy with talent 3,16!
https://sokker.org/player/PID/39340156
I was very dissapointed with the sale but that's how it goes.
@H.Romeu - no problems btw. Maybe I was oversensitive thinking you were attacking me. But that's kind of the vibe with the internet lately, so that was what came to my mind :)
The fun thing about being able to make 2-6 million on training a player 2 seasons is to be able to substain a 76+ team for years and years... I do it in Denmark and win matches easy with a team 64 min, switch in 5 trainees 26 min.
I can suggest you to train in League and then have a bad ass 80+ team for winning cup and go to cc and have fun... Im aware you are in Brazil so you cant compete in League and train. This is your solution
I can suggest you to train in League and then have a bad ass 80+ team for winning cup and go to cc and have fun... Im aware you are in Brazil so you cant compete in League and train. This is your solution