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In my experience they don't. And in my experience it's not usual at all for new players to get injured in first games. None of the young players I bought in last YEARS got injured in their first games and they usually played official games (they get 99-100% training).
I just checked your last 7 youths (from YS) and mine. None of them got injured soon after YS, most never got injured so far in their career, despite their "low tactical discipline" which should lead to them getting injured.
Please tell me what is this "experience" of yours that you talk about. Do you have any data? What players have you seen getting injured after YS? What exactly is this theory of yours based on?
Please tell me what is this "experience" of yours that you talk about. Do you have any data? What players have you seen getting injured after YS? What exactly is this theory of yours based on?
Not after YS...
Any new player has more risk to get injured in his first games because of low tactical discipline.
Plenty new players bought in the top league this season in my country, got injured in their debuts. (Check Autistas FC games.. i remember him he got specially bad luck with several new players)
Risk will keep increasing depending on the rival's players level, the tactic and how much distance the player will cover, involvements the player will have, etc.
(I bought a striker (Stoikov) this season and only played him on second half, waiting for his tactical discipline to go up before starting him. Eventually my starter striker got red carded so I was forced to start my new player from the first minute instead of the second half... boom... instant injury. Now he is back to starting only the second half until his tactical discipline goes back up to 15 minimum.
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Any new player has more risk to get injured in his first games because of low tactical discipline.
Plenty new players bought in the top league this season in my country, got injured in their debuts. (Check Autistas FC games.. i remember him he got specially bad luck with several new players)
Risk will keep increasing depending on the rival's players level, the tactic and how much distance the player will cover, involvements the player will have, etc.
(I bought a striker (Stoikov) this season and only played him on second half, waiting for his tactical discipline to go up before starting him. Eventually my starter striker got red carded so I was forced to start my new player from the first minute instead of the second half... boom... instant injury. Now he is back to starting only the second half until his tactical discipline goes back up to 15 minimum.
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anecdotal experience ...
if TD had a significant impact, then it should be the same with fresh youth players as they also have no TD - Borkos has a point here,
if TD had a significant impact, then it should be the same with fresh youth players as they also have no TD - Borkos has a point here,
Every senior player I buy immediately jumps into first team and official games, from day 1 playing full 90min
all senior players I bought since July
Luis Fournier [37996739], 1 injury, game number 30+
Fred Nozzi [38073334], 1 injury, game number 29
Mădălin Buga [37741359], 1 injury, game number 25
Adrián Filó [37562353], 1 injury, game number 13
Damian Banciu [37730008], no injury
Harry Whitley [37570238], no injury
Jaromir Majcher [37914287], no injury
Valcir Cochapa [37677017], no injury
Alessandro Buekenhout [37848552], no injury
Warren Penano [37717488], no injury
Tian Traber [37883887], no injury
Eusebio Lizarralde [37226481], no injury
Omar Holmes [37951883], no injury
good luck with your theory
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all senior players I bought since July
Luis Fournier [37996739], 1 injury, game number 30+
Fred Nozzi [38073334], 1 injury, game number 29
Mădălin Buga [37741359], 1 injury, game number 25
Adrián Filó [37562353], 1 injury, game number 13
Damian Banciu [37730008], no injury
Harry Whitley [37570238], no injury
Jaromir Majcher [37914287], no injury
Valcir Cochapa [37677017], no injury
Alessandro Buekenhout [37848552], no injury
Warren Penano [37717488], no injury
Tian Traber [37883887], no injury
Eusebio Lizarralde [37226481], no injury
Omar Holmes [37951883], no injury
good luck with your theory
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Is there any other type of experience?
Unless someone here is the coder of the game and can confirm for a fact one way or the other, its all we got.
And It is the same with youth. That's why we play them in special corner tactics and only try to play them as less as possible in official game. Playing a low TD and low condition player vs a much better player with high TD and condition will raise the chances for injury significantly. Maybe It is not so evident in juniors because we try to take care of them? How usual is to play a 16yo in a 90min full grown adult match? its not but when it happens, it usually ends like the injured junior that sparked the discussion. (I believe that playing against similar level of players (in terms of TD, condition and maybe some other variant) and slowly easing new players into full matches, reduce chances of injury (aside from the bad pitch factor))
@borkos007 Thanks. Hope the good luck keeps shining on you. For sure I'll keep taking care of my players based on my theories.
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Unless someone here is the coder of the game and can confirm for a fact one way or the other, its all we got.
And It is the same with youth. That's why we play them in special corner tactics and only try to play them as less as possible in official game. Playing a low TD and low condition player vs a much better player with high TD and condition will raise the chances for injury significantly. Maybe It is not so evident in juniors because we try to take care of them? How usual is to play a 16yo in a 90min full grown adult match? its not but when it happens, it usually ends like the injured junior that sparked the discussion. (I believe that playing against similar level of players (in terms of TD, condition and maybe some other variant) and slowly easing new players into full matches, reduce chances of injury (aside from the bad pitch factor))
@borkos007 Thanks. Hope the good luck keeps shining on you. For sure I'll keep taking care of my players based on my theories.
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Brando Di Giglio, age: 18
club: Wretchedster reUnited, country: Italia
value : 167 000 €
wage: 1 925 €
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 176 cm, weight: 77.1 kg, BMI: 24.89
average [5] stamina average [5] keeper
excellent [10] pace good [7] defender
average [5] technique good [7] playmaker
solid [8] passing good [7] striker
4 812 594 $
How is it? I know his SS rather low, but 16-17 junior under 5M was too attractive for me.
club: Wretchedster reUnited, country: Italia
value : 167 000 €
wage: 1 925 €
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 176 cm, weight: 77.1 kg, BMI: 24.89
average [5] stamina average [5] keeper
excellent [10] pace good [7] defender
average [5] technique good [7] playmaker
solid [8] passing good [7] striker
4 812 594 $
How is it? I know his SS rather low, but 16-17 junior under 5M was too attractive for me.
He is good player and fresh. But also end of the season now. İn my opinion you paid double of price at this moment.
Then I hope he is high at one-two side skills, and 2 tech ups in 3 weeks would be nice too. ;)
From individual skills he looks like have good talent. For long term he can pay his price to you. Anyway nice player i think.Overpaid look like for timing. Almost 19 yo have to look. I am agree with you about training and random pop-ups.
Lots of money for a GK :-p
No no, I think you've overpaid, but not much, since his talent will be very good, probably, since his GK skill is very high for a field player. This is often an indication of great talent. Best advice I can give on this player is that you give him PM or DEF before you decide which position he will be playing on later ages. If you want to make a def out of him, then the best advice is to boost his PM when he's young, since that requires him to play as a MID. If you want to make a MID out of him, give him defender first.
No no, I think you've overpaid, but not much, since his talent will be very good, probably, since his GK skill is very high for a field player. This is often an indication of great talent. Best advice I can give on this player is that you give him PM or DEF before you decide which position he will be playing on later ages. If you want to make a def out of him, then the best advice is to boost his PM when he's young, since that requires him to play as a MID. If you want to make a MID out of him, give him defender first.
1.6m... not sure why tactical discipline is 0...
Wojciech Matczak, age: 17
club: FROM, country: Polska
value : 100 250 u$s
wage: 700 u$s
magical [15] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 175 cm, weight: 81.6 kg, BMI: 26.64
hopeless [1] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
solid [8] pace average [5] defender
solid [8] technique weak [4] playmaker
unsatisfactory [2] passing solid [8] striker
Wojciech Matczak, age: 17
club: FROM, country: Polska
value : 100 250 u$s
wage: 700 u$s
magical [15] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 175 cm, weight: 81.6 kg, BMI: 26.64
hopeless [1] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
solid [8] pace average [5] defender
solid [8] technique weak [4] playmaker
unsatisfactory [2] passing solid [8] striker
He was actually 16 keeper if I understood italian suvrano gk. :)
He is nice adition with my Linic, has around same pace, and Properzi. My plan is to train him as midfielder and then switch to defender at later stages.
Thanks for advice!
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He is nice adition with my Linic, has around same pace, and Properzi. My plan is to train him as midfielder and then switch to defender at later stages.
Thanks for advice!
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