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Maybe it's better that others have a different opinion than you... will be fewer better/richer clubs .
How long can you explain that something is possible? :) Let's them think it's impossible
Let's back to the topic - International Cup.
How long can you explain that something is possible? :) Let's them think it's impossible
Let's back to the topic - International Cup.
Firstly, there is no incentive to have 80+ rating in my league, as you have shown, it is not needed, but it also isn't financially viable.
Of course there is. Competing at top level (CC before, now Int Cup). It might not be an incentive for you, but we were discussing if it's possible to create a strong team in small/medium country - and it is possible. It might not be interesting for you but that's another topic.
Do you think it's financially viable in Poland or any other big country? Why do you think that top teams don't stay at top level all the time then, but change all the time and go from very strong to very weak? Because top teams in those countries only lose money when they peak. It's impossible to train anyone for profit and you lose value/money every season.
The cost of purchasing those players, the salaries and then these youths you think can somehow still compete, is not viable in a small nation, which is something you have failed to understand.
Unless you have top players in the game (who are then exponentially more expensive), you aren't winning this league with young players. And if you buy old players, their market value drops quick, meaning you are spending 500-600k euro per season, per player for the team. Again, not financially viable with the lower incomes of small countries.
Again - you do the same thing as in big countries. You make a lot of money on training for x seasons, then you create a team from scratch by training young players, then you have a top team + money on the account. Then you can win a league like your Div 1 while also training (unless you think that it's impossible to win against a 50-60 rating team while using a 75-78 rank team with 5 youths getting 22min... it is easily possible).
So you have a top team, you get top ticket money from Int Cup, you make money from training, you have x resources to compensate losing team value every season. You can easily play at top level like that for many seasons in a row.
That's what people in similar countries already did. Xineon from Latvia is a prime example of that. Many, many seasons played at 80+ level, at one point he even played for 85 in the Champions Cup, while also winning the league while training young players.
This is not a theory or a discussion. It has been done, it is still being done.
I have already in the past taken many of the long term, huge money maker teams on the TM, taking their total profit, divided by their time in the game, and shown the weekly income from this, and it was much less than their sponsorship, let alone gate income as well. I showed this with many teams in a different thread
Income or profit:) because if you are talking about profit then it's pointless.
You use the exact same examples, Luxembourg, all the time. This occurred many years ago and the team went bankrupt because they didn't have that baseline income coming in. They literally used all their teams finances to have a flash in the pan and disappear. If it were that simple, you wouldn't need to keep giving the same example all the time, and it would be recent examples, not many years old ones.
You have Xineon... you have the team from Albania playing for 77-78 in a 2-team country...
The team from Luxemburg didn't go bankrupt, it stopped playing after winning CC.
Now I will give you credit where it is due, you find a way, through being very active on many forums, to sell players at prearranged prices
You're just showing that you have no idea what you're talking about. There are no "forums where you prearrange transfers", in fact most of my transfers are not "prearranged" but listed from 1zl... most transfers forums are dead for years and now you can only open topics for buying not selling players (and almost nobody opens those topics)
But let's use your team as an example. You have made 1 597 500 000 zł on the TM.
And this is already where you are wrong
I made much, much more on transfer market, my total income is over 1 250 000 000 $. The fact that you concentrate on the profit instead of income shows that you don't understand how it actually works.
You make money, then you spend it to the last drop first on top youths then on top players and then when you've spend 90% of your money resources you go back to making money - and at that point the profit is close to 0. Which doesn't mean that you didn't make an incredible profit on training, you just spent that profit on a top team or top teams.
My profit is now 399 355 988 $, I made it on training youths. If I now spend it all today on top players and my profit will show 0, according to what you wrote that would mean that I made no profit at all while training :) so if I didn't train for profit, my team would be exactly the same as it will be after making 250m euro profit and spending 250m euro on top players, yes? :)
But you currently only rate 37.
I don't, that's my youths rating, my team plays for ~60 and it was bought for silly money. I buy defenders for 5-20k euro etc. :))
To bring you to my current team level, and thus the top of A-league, would cost you maybe, 25 000 000 zł per player, and let's say you will have zero injuries so only need 11 players.
This means your profit, whilst having a decent team, is approximately 1 162 500 000 zł
Yeah the thing is I already bought almost my whole team. I've spent 67 500 000 $ on 8 top youths. I still have to buy 2 more, but I also have 2 to sell that will bring very good money. So basically I already have spent the money that you are talking about, I already have that team bought. They're just 17-18 now because I want to have fun training them and train them the way I want. They should play for around 85 when they're trained.
ou have been in the game 1083 weeks
So dividing your profit by the time you have been in the game
and that's where the calculations make no sense because I have not been playing this way for whole time, so it's pointless to make such comparison
there were years where I concentrated only on playing for results and didn't train anyone
there were years where I barely played at all, in 2015 I sold my team and went inactive, came back in 2022
and again, I don't understand why you concentrate on the profit, it's pointless and doesn't show anything in this context (of creating a top team by first making money, then spending all the money)
team A: 10m income, 5m expenditure, 5m profit, played max for 50 in 10 years of playing
team B: 200m income, 199m expenditure, 1m profit, plays for 80+, won trophies
team A has more profit, but what's the point? at peak team A had a 5m in the account and total team value 10m, while team B at peak had 150m profit and a total team value of let's say 220m.
yet after team B peaked, won and used all resources you will say that the transfers didn't matter, because it has 1m profit and got more from sponsors :))
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Of course there is. Competing at top level (CC before, now Int Cup). It might not be an incentive for you, but we were discussing if it's possible to create a strong team in small/medium country - and it is possible. It might not be interesting for you but that's another topic.
Do you think it's financially viable in Poland or any other big country? Why do you think that top teams don't stay at top level all the time then, but change all the time and go from very strong to very weak? Because top teams in those countries only lose money when they peak. It's impossible to train anyone for profit and you lose value/money every season.
The cost of purchasing those players, the salaries and then these youths you think can somehow still compete, is not viable in a small nation, which is something you have failed to understand.
Unless you have top players in the game (who are then exponentially more expensive), you aren't winning this league with young players. And if you buy old players, their market value drops quick, meaning you are spending 500-600k euro per season, per player for the team. Again, not financially viable with the lower incomes of small countries.
Again - you do the same thing as in big countries. You make a lot of money on training for x seasons, then you create a team from scratch by training young players, then you have a top team + money on the account. Then you can win a league like your Div 1 while also training (unless you think that it's impossible to win against a 50-60 rating team while using a 75-78 rank team with 5 youths getting 22min... it is easily possible).
So you have a top team, you get top ticket money from Int Cup, you make money from training, you have x resources to compensate losing team value every season. You can easily play at top level like that for many seasons in a row.
That's what people in similar countries already did. Xineon from Latvia is a prime example of that. Many, many seasons played at 80+ level, at one point he even played for 85 in the Champions Cup, while also winning the league while training young players.
This is not a theory or a discussion. It has been done, it is still being done.
I have already in the past taken many of the long term, huge money maker teams on the TM, taking their total profit, divided by their time in the game, and shown the weekly income from this, and it was much less than their sponsorship, let alone gate income as well. I showed this with many teams in a different thread
Income or profit:) because if you are talking about profit then it's pointless.
You use the exact same examples, Luxembourg, all the time. This occurred many years ago and the team went bankrupt because they didn't have that baseline income coming in. They literally used all their teams finances to have a flash in the pan and disappear. If it were that simple, you wouldn't need to keep giving the same example all the time, and it would be recent examples, not many years old ones.
You have Xineon... you have the team from Albania playing for 77-78 in a 2-team country...
The team from Luxemburg didn't go bankrupt, it stopped playing after winning CC.
Now I will give you credit where it is due, you find a way, through being very active on many forums, to sell players at prearranged prices
You're just showing that you have no idea what you're talking about. There are no "forums where you prearrange transfers", in fact most of my transfers are not "prearranged" but listed from 1zl... most transfers forums are dead for years and now you can only open topics for buying not selling players (and almost nobody opens those topics)
But let's use your team as an example. You have made 1 597 500 000 zł on the TM.
And this is already where you are wrong
I made much, much more on transfer market, my total income is over 1 250 000 000 $. The fact that you concentrate on the profit instead of income shows that you don't understand how it actually works.
You make money, then you spend it to the last drop first on top youths then on top players and then when you've spend 90% of your money resources you go back to making money - and at that point the profit is close to 0. Which doesn't mean that you didn't make an incredible profit on training, you just spent that profit on a top team or top teams.
My profit is now 399 355 988 $, I made it on training youths. If I now spend it all today on top players and my profit will show 0, according to what you wrote that would mean that I made no profit at all while training :) so if I didn't train for profit, my team would be exactly the same as it will be after making 250m euro profit and spending 250m euro on top players, yes? :)
But you currently only rate 37.
I don't, that's my youths rating, my team plays for ~60 and it was bought for silly money. I buy defenders for 5-20k euro etc. :))
To bring you to my current team level, and thus the top of A-league, would cost you maybe, 25 000 000 zł per player, and let's say you will have zero injuries so only need 11 players.
This means your profit, whilst having a decent team, is approximately 1 162 500 000 zł
Yeah the thing is I already bought almost my whole team. I've spent 67 500 000 $ on 8 top youths. I still have to buy 2 more, but I also have 2 to sell that will bring very good money. So basically I already have spent the money that you are talking about, I already have that team bought. They're just 17-18 now because I want to have fun training them and train them the way I want. They should play for around 85 when they're trained.
ou have been in the game 1083 weeks
So dividing your profit by the time you have been in the game
and that's where the calculations make no sense because I have not been playing this way for whole time, so it's pointless to make such comparison
there were years where I concentrated only on playing for results and didn't train anyone
there were years where I barely played at all, in 2015 I sold my team and went inactive, came back in 2022
and again, I don't understand why you concentrate on the profit, it's pointless and doesn't show anything in this context (of creating a top team by first making money, then spending all the money)
team A: 10m income, 5m expenditure, 5m profit, played max for 50 in 10 years of playing
team B: 200m income, 199m expenditure, 1m profit, plays for 80+, won trophies
team A has more profit, but what's the point? at peak team A had a 5m in the account and total team value 10m, while team B at peak had 150m profit and a total team value of let's say 220m.
yet after team B peaked, won and used all resources you will say that the transfers didn't matter, because it has 1m profit and got more from sponsors :))
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Lol not seeing the point ey. Not one single person has argued it isn't possible, rather, that it is much easier in larger countries and that should be rectified.
That is literally all this boils down to
That is literally all this boils down to
It's not easier or harder, it's different.
Small country also has advantages. You don't even have to drop down to lower leagues in order to train for profit, you can do that in Div 1. Impossible in medium/big countries. I have to drop down to Vth league, some even drop down to VIth league for training period. Then you have to climb up while training a new team after a training for profit period.
In a small league you don't have to worry about dropping down or climbing up for 4+ seasons. You can stay at the same level and after reaching your peak you can continue on training youths while still winning.
I'm sure you would "love" dropping down to 5th or 6th league in Poland, only training for 10 or more seasons with seasons financial loss every season (covered by training profit) and then climbing back up.
That's soooo easy and fun. 10 season of creating resources = 3 years, then 10 seasons of training & climbing (since 16yo till 26yo) = another 3 years. And then you play. Very, very easy thanks to amazing sponsor and ticket money in Polish 5th league, that's how we make money. We go down to 5th league for that sweet 125 000 $ sponsor money every week.
Small country also has advantages. You don't even have to drop down to lower leagues in order to train for profit, you can do that in Div 1. Impossible in medium/big countries. I have to drop down to Vth league, some even drop down to VIth league for training period. Then you have to climb up while training a new team after a training for profit period.
In a small league you don't have to worry about dropping down or climbing up for 4+ seasons. You can stay at the same level and after reaching your peak you can continue on training youths while still winning.
I'm sure you would "love" dropping down to 5th or 6th league in Poland, only training for 10 or more seasons with seasons financial loss every season (covered by training profit) and then climbing back up.
That's soooo easy and fun. 10 season of creating resources = 3 years, then 10 seasons of training & climbing (since 16yo till 26yo) = another 3 years. And then you play. Very, very easy thanks to amazing sponsor and ticket money in Polish 5th league, that's how we make money. We go down to 5th league for that sweet 125 000 $ sponsor money every week.
Of course there is. Competing at top level (CC before, now Int Cup). It might not be an incentive for you, but we were discussing if it's possible to create a strong team in small/medium country - and it is possible. It might not be interesting for you but that's another topic.
Do you think it's financially viable in Poland or any other big country? Why do you think that top teams don't stay at top level all the time then, but change all the time and go from very strong to very weak? Because top teams in those countries only lose money when they peak. It's impossible to train anyone for profit and you lose value/money every season.
Noone in a small country is making 80+ ratings and being financially stable. It is not possible, which is why the examples you use, went high and left the game. If it were financially viable, people would be doing it. But I guess thats hard from the point of privlege you have. Just like in Poland, everyone pushes to be the top in their nation, and it only goes so high given the limitations in place.
Top teams in Poland don't stay at the top level, but they stay at levels higher than that of most small countries top levels. "top level" means nothing, because sponsorship, prize money etc. is not based on being at the "top level" in the country, its based on league prestige.
Again - you do the same thing as in big countries. You make a lot of money on training for x seasons, then you create a team from scratch by training young players, then you have a top team + money on the account. Then you can win a league like your Div 1 while also training (unless you think that it's impossible to win against a 50-60 rating team while using a 75-78 rank team with 5 youths getting 22min... it is easily possible).
So you have a top team, you get top ticket money from Int Cup, you make money from training, you have x resources to compensate losing team value every season. You can easily play at top level like that for many seasons in a row.
That's what people in similar countries already did. Xineon from Latvia is a prime example of that. Many, many seasons played at 80+ level, at one point he even played for 85 in the Champions Cup, while also winning the league while training young players.
This is not a theory or a discussion. It has been done, it is still being done.
Already answered above. You could even more easily in Poland rate 80+ and still get training. You don't need to be in the top league to do this. You pick and choose the matches when you can sub players on for extra minutes, and because you get higher sponsorship from prestige, it can be done. Again, this is not about being in the top league. People dropping down to leagues similar rating to smaller countries do this, but they still end up with more sponsorship and gate takings because the league prestige is more stable
Income or profit:) because if you are talking about profit then it's pointless.
Actually not pointless, because it is profit is what you use to then grow, whether it be through more training or buying trained players.
You have Xineon... you have the team from Albania playing for 77-78 in a 2-team country
You bring up a team from 2006 with old money. Money earned in the prime of sokker. Hardly relevant now.
You're just showing that you have no idea what you're talking about. There are no "forums where you prearrange transfers", in fact most of my transfers are not "prearranged" but listed from 1zl... most transfers forums are dead for years and now you can only open topics for buying not selling players (and almost nobody opens those topics)
We both know that isn't true. Not only have you bragged about it in the past, you also have some sales that have very nicely rounded numbers...which is what occurs when they are prearranged
My profit is now 638 969 581 AU$, I made it on training youths. If I now spend it all today on top players and my profit will show 0, according to what you wrote that would mean that I made no profit at all while training :) so if I didn't train for profit, my team would be exactly the same as it will be after making 250m euro profit and spending 250m euro on top players, yes? :)
This is not your profit. You forgot to mention all the taxes you paid, as it isn't calculated in the transfer list, or any listing fees you did. You also haven't taken out what it then costs to have a reasonable, non-training team.
and that's where the calculations make no sense because I have not been playing this way for whole time, so it's pointless to make such comparison
there were years where I concentrated only on playing for results and didn't train anyone
there were years where I barely played at all, in 2015 I sold my team and went inactive, came back in 2022
This is EXACTLY where it makes sense. During your "inactive" time in the game, your team was propped up by having a larger country around you. My being able to just chill in leagues where league prestige was high and not surrounded by bots. You were still earning half decent money whilst not being active. This is because your base income in Poland is much better than small nations. If you did this in a small nation, your team would be a lot worse off. Most teams would in fact be bankrupt. So that guaranteed income continued to come in because you are in Poland/larger nation
and again, I don't understand why you concentrate on the profit, it's pointless and doesn't show anything in this context (of creating a top team by first making money, then spending all the money)
Once again, profit is what you need to make to make said good teams, and thats why it is important in this scenario. There are times in this game where it wouldn't make sense to use it, this is not one of those.
I mean, keep trying to downplay the benefits you get from playing in a large country all you want, but many people see it for what it is.
Maybe you should just start fresh, move to a small nation, and show everyone how it is done. Really prove your point. I couldn't get away with it because I don't have that connection with the DEVs (almost noone outside of Polish users do), but you may be able to do so. Go give yourself a new challenge and show everyone how easy it is
Do you think it's financially viable in Poland or any other big country? Why do you think that top teams don't stay at top level all the time then, but change all the time and go from very strong to very weak? Because top teams in those countries only lose money when they peak. It's impossible to train anyone for profit and you lose value/money every season.
Noone in a small country is making 80+ ratings and being financially stable. It is not possible, which is why the examples you use, went high and left the game. If it were financially viable, people would be doing it. But I guess thats hard from the point of privlege you have. Just like in Poland, everyone pushes to be the top in their nation, and it only goes so high given the limitations in place.
Top teams in Poland don't stay at the top level, but they stay at levels higher than that of most small countries top levels. "top level" means nothing, because sponsorship, prize money etc. is not based on being at the "top level" in the country, its based on league prestige.
Again - you do the same thing as in big countries. You make a lot of money on training for x seasons, then you create a team from scratch by training young players, then you have a top team + money on the account. Then you can win a league like your Div 1 while also training (unless you think that it's impossible to win against a 50-60 rating team while using a 75-78 rank team with 5 youths getting 22min... it is easily possible).
So you have a top team, you get top ticket money from Int Cup, you make money from training, you have x resources to compensate losing team value every season. You can easily play at top level like that for many seasons in a row.
That's what people in similar countries already did. Xineon from Latvia is a prime example of that. Many, many seasons played at 80+ level, at one point he even played for 85 in the Champions Cup, while also winning the league while training young players.
This is not a theory or a discussion. It has been done, it is still being done.
Already answered above. You could even more easily in Poland rate 80+ and still get training. You don't need to be in the top league to do this. You pick and choose the matches when you can sub players on for extra minutes, and because you get higher sponsorship from prestige, it can be done. Again, this is not about being in the top league. People dropping down to leagues similar rating to smaller countries do this, but they still end up with more sponsorship and gate takings because the league prestige is more stable
Income or profit:) because if you are talking about profit then it's pointless.
Actually not pointless, because it is profit is what you use to then grow, whether it be through more training or buying trained players.
You have Xineon... you have the team from Albania playing for 77-78 in a 2-team country
You bring up a team from 2006 with old money. Money earned in the prime of sokker. Hardly relevant now.
You're just showing that you have no idea what you're talking about. There are no "forums where you prearrange transfers", in fact most of my transfers are not "prearranged" but listed from 1zl... most transfers forums are dead for years and now you can only open topics for buying not selling players (and almost nobody opens those topics)
We both know that isn't true. Not only have you bragged about it in the past, you also have some sales that have very nicely rounded numbers...which is what occurs when they are prearranged
My profit is now 638 969 581 AU$, I made it on training youths. If I now spend it all today on top players and my profit will show 0, according to what you wrote that would mean that I made no profit at all while training :) so if I didn't train for profit, my team would be exactly the same as it will be after making 250m euro profit and spending 250m euro on top players, yes? :)
This is not your profit. You forgot to mention all the taxes you paid, as it isn't calculated in the transfer list, or any listing fees you did. You also haven't taken out what it then costs to have a reasonable, non-training team.
and that's where the calculations make no sense because I have not been playing this way for whole time, so it's pointless to make such comparison
there were years where I concentrated only on playing for results and didn't train anyone
there were years where I barely played at all, in 2015 I sold my team and went inactive, came back in 2022
This is EXACTLY where it makes sense. During your "inactive" time in the game, your team was propped up by having a larger country around you. My being able to just chill in leagues where league prestige was high and not surrounded by bots. You were still earning half decent money whilst not being active. This is because your base income in Poland is much better than small nations. If you did this in a small nation, your team would be a lot worse off. Most teams would in fact be bankrupt. So that guaranteed income continued to come in because you are in Poland/larger nation
and again, I don't understand why you concentrate on the profit, it's pointless and doesn't show anything in this context (of creating a top team by first making money, then spending all the money)
Once again, profit is what you need to make to make said good teams, and thats why it is important in this scenario. There are times in this game where it wouldn't make sense to use it, this is not one of those.
I mean, keep trying to downplay the benefits you get from playing in a large country all you want, but many people see it for what it is.
Maybe you should just start fresh, move to a small nation, and show everyone how it is done. Really prove your point. I couldn't get away with it because I don't have that connection with the DEVs (almost noone outside of Polish users do), but you may be able to do so. Go give yourself a new challenge and show everyone how easy it is
mall country also has advantages. You don't even have to drop down to lower leagues in order to train for profit, you can do that in Div 1. Impossible in medium/big countries. I have to drop down to Vth league, some even drop down to VIth league for training period. Then you have to climb up while training a new team after a training for profit period.
Yet there is no advantage to being in Div 1. It only matters what the league prestige is. And as you move up, you game more and more in sponsorship and receipts.
That's soooo easy and fun. 10 season of creating resources = 3 years, then 10 seasons of training & climbing (since 16yo till 26yo) = another 3 years. And then you play. Very, very easy thanks to amazing sponsor and ticket money in Polish 5th league, that's how we make money. We go down to 5th league for that sweet 200 000 AU$ sponsor money every week.
This is due to competition and others playing the market, not due to inherent bias. It would be the same in any country (and in fact, is the same in every country, relative to the competition). From reading other posts, in Poland 5th league, you are pretty much getting an extra 70% income over Division 2 in Australia. You are getting a lot more than many Division 1 teams in this game. So yeah, poor you.
Then as you move up the divisions, that money sky rockets....sponsorship, gate receipts, increased rounds in the cup. The income comes thick and fast.
Yet there is no advantage to being in Div 1. It only matters what the league prestige is. And as you move up, you game more and more in sponsorship and receipts.
That's soooo easy and fun. 10 season of creating resources = 3 years, then 10 seasons of training & climbing (since 16yo till 26yo) = another 3 years. And then you play. Very, very easy thanks to amazing sponsor and ticket money in Polish 5th league, that's how we make money. We go down to 5th league for that sweet 200 000 AU$ sponsor money every week.
This is due to competition and others playing the market, not due to inherent bias. It would be the same in any country (and in fact, is the same in every country, relative to the competition). From reading other posts, in Poland 5th league, you are pretty much getting an extra 70% income over Division 2 in Australia. You are getting a lot more than many Division 1 teams in this game. So yeah, poor you.
Then as you move up the divisions, that money sky rockets....sponsorship, gate receipts, increased rounds in the cup. The income comes thick and fast.
Already answered above. You could even more easily in Poland rate 80+ and still get training. You don't need to be in the top league to do this ....
80+ and still get training? in Poland? Mate please don't joke :) Look at the level of the teams—if you did that, you'd drop down a league.
I mean, keep trying to downplay the benefits you get from playing in a large country all you want, but many people see it for what it is.
Maybe you should just start fresh, move to a small nation, and show everyone how it is done. Really prove your point. I couldn't get away with it because I don't have that connection with the DEVs (almost noone outside of Polish users do), but you may be able to do so. Go give yourself a new challenge and show everyone how easy it is
If only it were possible, I would do it with great pleasure....
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80+ and still get training? in Poland? Mate please don't joke :) Look at the level of the teams—if you did that, you'd drop down a league.
I mean, keep trying to downplay the benefits you get from playing in a large country all you want, but many people see it for what it is.
Maybe you should just start fresh, move to a small nation, and show everyone how it is done. Really prove your point. I couldn't get away with it because I don't have that connection with the DEVs (almost noone outside of Polish users do), but you may be able to do so. Go give yourself a new challenge and show everyone how easy it is
If only it were possible, I would do it with great pleasure....
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I give up, this discussion is pointless, you have no idea what you're talking about in regards to how it looks like playing PL.
Yes, I will have a 85 ranking team because I get 125 000 $ from sponsors and 200 000 $ from home tickets in league.
That's how I made the money that you couldn't. Well you make more from sponsors and tickets every season for years than I do, but let's not let that stop us from the theory that sponsors and tickets allowed me to create so many resources and stopped you from improving your team, you're right.
Obviously it's not because I make 3-5 times more on transfers than I get from tickets/sponsors and you could also do that, but you don't care.
It's also obviously not because you train average players instead of getting better trainees.
It's also not because you spend almost nothing on young players and you spend everything you get on older players, already trained by someone else. So you basically spend your money to give profit to others instead of being the one who makes the money.
But that's irrelevant, obviously it's the fact that you make less money from tickets and sponsors than I do. Oh wait, no, you make more, I forgot.
Yes, I will have a 85 ranking team because I get 125 000 $ from sponsors and 200 000 $ from home tickets in league.
That's how I made the money that you couldn't. Well you make more from sponsors and tickets every season for years than I do, but let's not let that stop us from the theory that sponsors and tickets allowed me to create so many resources and stopped you from improving your team, you're right.
Obviously it's not because I make 3-5 times more on transfers than I get from tickets/sponsors and you could also do that, but you don't care.
It's also obviously not because you train average players instead of getting better trainees.
It's also not because you spend almost nothing on young players and you spend everything you get on older players, already trained by someone else. So you basically spend your money to give profit to others instead of being the one who makes the money.
But that's irrelevant, obviously it's the fact that you make less money from tickets and sponsors than I do. Oh wait, no, you make more, I forgot.
80+ and still get training? in Poland? Mate please don't joke :) Look at the level of the teams—if you did that, you'd drop down a league.
I never said anything about staying in top league. There is nothing wrong with dropping down a league. Drop down to one with similar prestige to Australia, rate 80 and train. Because this is apparently easy to do
I never said anything about staying in top league. There is nothing wrong with dropping down a league. Drop down to one with similar prestige to Australia, rate 80 and train. Because this is apparently easy to do
Then as you move up the divisions, that money sky rockets....sponsorship, gate receipts, increased rounds in the cup. The income comes thick and fast.
That's not true. They don't grow in a fast pace unless you're in the top 3 of every higher league. Usually it is more advantageous. to be in a lower league.
You're describing situations you know nothing about. Really.
That's not true. They don't grow in a fast pace unless you're in the top 3 of every higher league. Usually it is more advantageous. to be in a lower league.
You're describing situations you know nothing about. Really.
I never said anything about staying in top league. There is nothing wrong with dropping down a league. Drop down to one with similar prestige to Australia, rate 80 and train. Because this is apparently easy to do
No one said it would be easy. Building an 80+ team is never easy. :)
No one said it would be easy. Building an 80+ team is never easy. :)
I give up, this discussion is pointless, you have no idea what you're talking about in regards to how it looks like playing PL.
With the number of leagues in Poland, you literally have to option to do what you say I can do in a small nation. Just drop to the level that is equal to Australian prestige, have your 80+ team, and throw your trainees in for 22'. You actually have this choice, but choose not to do it, because it isn't the way to go about it.
That's how I made the money that you couldn't. Well you make more from sponsors and tickets every season for years than I do, but let's not let that stop us from the theory that sponsors and tickets allowed me to create so many resources and stopped you from improving your team, you're right.
Mate my team has been very successful. I have managed to be one of two recently dominant teams against those with the same limitations. I don't need to rate 80+, and for most users of small countries, and for all small country users who don't have 100s $M saved from being around for 15-20yrs, it's not possible to do or maintain. What is not fine is that small countries don't have the same level of 'passive' income that large countries do. Again, even proven with your own situation, that most of your money does not come from transfers, but rather sponsorship and gate receipts. So you can't compare success between nations as they have different levels of limitations
It's also not because you spend almost nothing on young players and you spend everything you get on older players, already trained by someone else. So you basically spend your money to give profit to others instead of being the one who makes the money
Once again you are wrong. Most of my players I trained from being young, and have just pulled in a few older players to fill current gaps. This is because I choose to train for the NT, which is a choice, and not a profitable choice and has nothing to do with the topic of this conversation. I didn't like that argument being brought up by others, because as rightfully mentioned, that is a choice the user makes. But making that choice, doesn't mean there are inequities in the game, that have existed since the day it was created, and never dealt with. It wasn't designed to be inequitable, it was just poorly thought about as "what happens if not all countries are approxiamtely equal in size".
But that's irrelevant, obviously it's the fact that you make less money from tickets and sponsors than I do. Oh wait, no, you make more, I forgot.
Let's be real, you have made FAR more from tickets and sponsors than I ever have, even on a season on season basis.
And honestly, this has moved so far off topic, I'm happy to leave it at that, even if you want to try to get the last word in, as you almost always attempt to. It really feels like you need to go touch some grass or have another hobby, because for most of us, we jump in and out of the game, make our presence known but disappear for a while. You on the other hand seem to need to be on any time you aren't sleeping, making sure your opinion is in every forum at all times, and it's not really healthy or good for mental health. Just imagine what you could achieve if you spent less time trying to prove your point, which most of us forget 2 days after you mention it, and more time IRL doing something. Personally I chose becoming a doctor and saving lives, which when it comes to research, actually involves high level statistical analysis. That's why I do actually understand what is going on, and can see past rose tinted glasses. It's also why I have presented ingame research, which without having dev access, is actually pretty difficult to do.
With the number of leagues in Poland, you literally have to option to do what you say I can do in a small nation. Just drop to the level that is equal to Australian prestige, have your 80+ team, and throw your trainees in for 22'. You actually have this choice, but choose not to do it, because it isn't the way to go about it.
That's how I made the money that you couldn't. Well you make more from sponsors and tickets every season for years than I do, but let's not let that stop us from the theory that sponsors and tickets allowed me to create so many resources and stopped you from improving your team, you're right.
Mate my team has been very successful. I have managed to be one of two recently dominant teams against those with the same limitations. I don't need to rate 80+, and for most users of small countries, and for all small country users who don't have 100s $M saved from being around for 15-20yrs, it's not possible to do or maintain. What is not fine is that small countries don't have the same level of 'passive' income that large countries do. Again, even proven with your own situation, that most of your money does not come from transfers, but rather sponsorship and gate receipts. So you can't compare success between nations as they have different levels of limitations
It's also not because you spend almost nothing on young players and you spend everything you get on older players, already trained by someone else. So you basically spend your money to give profit to others instead of being the one who makes the money
Once again you are wrong. Most of my players I trained from being young, and have just pulled in a few older players to fill current gaps. This is because I choose to train for the NT, which is a choice, and not a profitable choice and has nothing to do with the topic of this conversation. I didn't like that argument being brought up by others, because as rightfully mentioned, that is a choice the user makes. But making that choice, doesn't mean there are inequities in the game, that have existed since the day it was created, and never dealt with. It wasn't designed to be inequitable, it was just poorly thought about as "what happens if not all countries are approxiamtely equal in size".
But that's irrelevant, obviously it's the fact that you make less money from tickets and sponsors than I do. Oh wait, no, you make more, I forgot.
Let's be real, you have made FAR more from tickets and sponsors than I ever have, even on a season on season basis.
And honestly, this has moved so far off topic, I'm happy to leave it at that, even if you want to try to get the last word in, as you almost always attempt to. It really feels like you need to go touch some grass or have another hobby, because for most of us, we jump in and out of the game, make our presence known but disappear for a while. You on the other hand seem to need to be on any time you aren't sleeping, making sure your opinion is in every forum at all times, and it's not really healthy or good for mental health. Just imagine what you could achieve if you spent less time trying to prove your point, which most of us forget 2 days after you mention it, and more time IRL doing something. Personally I chose becoming a doctor and saving lives, which when it comes to research, actually involves high level statistical analysis. That's why I do actually understand what is going on, and can see past rose tinted glasses. It's also why I have presented ingame research, which without having dev access, is actually pretty difficult to do.
That's not true. They don't grow in a fast pace unless you're in the top 3 of every higher league. Usually it is more advantageous. to be in a lower league.
You're describing situations you know nothing about. Really.
I haven't got lived experience, but I have talked to a LOT more Polish people in those divisions than you realise, over a number of leagues, I have read Polish forums and analysed shared data. I know a lot more than you realise, and not just some random Sokker manager.
No one said it would be easy. Building an 80+ team is never easy. :)
You may need to read your fellow countrymans posts again, apparently it is easy to get 80+ and maintain it by training 5 youths for 22' each game. You literally have a huge variety of leagues in Poland, some which will have the same prestige as Australia Div 1, so have the option to do exactly this option
You're describing situations you know nothing about. Really.
I haven't got lived experience, but I have talked to a LOT more Polish people in those divisions than you realise, over a number of leagues, I have read Polish forums and analysed shared data. I know a lot more than you realise, and not just some random Sokker manager.
No one said it would be easy. Building an 80+ team is never easy. :)
You may need to read your fellow countrymans posts again, apparently it is easy to get 80+ and maintain it by training 5 youths for 22' each game. You literally have a huge variety of leagues in Poland, some which will have the same prestige as Australia Div 1, so have the option to do exactly this option
With the number of leagues in Poland, you literally have to option to do what you say I can do in a small nation. Just drop to the level that is equal to Australian prestige, have your 80+ team, and throw your trainees in for 22'. You actually have this choice, but choose not to do it, because it isn't the way to go about it.
no, because it is not possible to do
in Australia you could win and have max/high fanmood because of fulfilling expectations + you would win trophies
in Poland low league you would have 0-10% fanmood because of failing expectations (no championship since you stay in low league, or promotion and then drop down due to training) + you would not win trophies, so what would be the point in doing that?
Again, even proven with your own situation, that most of your money does not come from transfers, but rather sponsorship and gate receipts.
for god sake... I literally shown you the data and you still write this nonsense
I make 5 250 000 $ from tickets, sponsors, season bonuses etc. - you make more
every season I LOSE money - my expenses are higher than income
yet I can show you my profit/loss from last seasons WITH transfers when I was creating resources. That's NET, after all expenses, after taxes, including my seasonal club losses - so literally PURE PROFIT due to training
s74: +27 509 853 $
s73: 3 502 533 $
s72: 22 378 286 $
s71: 29 126 448 $
s70: 14 461 643 $
s69: 30 206 000 $
s68: 49 436 783 $
s67: 11 935 494 $
s66: 23 602 716 $
s65: 36 553 250 $
That's 10 seasons of losing weekly/season club money and making a CLEAR profit of total: +248 713 002 $
That's where you make the money, on transfers. I was losing money on tickets/sponsors vs expenditures, yet I made almost 250m euro in 10 seasons. On training. Something that YOU could also do if you wanted to make the effort. You make more money from ticket/sponsors so you would have even more money on your account if you did that. All my "seasonal income" was optimistically at 20% of the training income that I had in those seasons.
But it's easier to create theories that big country teams get their money from tickets and sponsors :))
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no, because it is not possible to do
in Australia you could win and have max/high fanmood because of fulfilling expectations + you would win trophies
in Poland low league you would have 0-10% fanmood because of failing expectations (no championship since you stay in low league, or promotion and then drop down due to training) + you would not win trophies, so what would be the point in doing that?
Again, even proven with your own situation, that most of your money does not come from transfers, but rather sponsorship and gate receipts.
for god sake... I literally shown you the data and you still write this nonsense
I make 5 250 000 $ from tickets, sponsors, season bonuses etc. - you make more
every season I LOSE money - my expenses are higher than income
yet I can show you my profit/loss from last seasons WITH transfers when I was creating resources. That's NET, after all expenses, after taxes, including my seasonal club losses - so literally PURE PROFIT due to training
s74: +27 509 853 $
s73: 3 502 533 $
s72: 22 378 286 $
s71: 29 126 448 $
s70: 14 461 643 $
s69: 30 206 000 $
s68: 49 436 783 $
s67: 11 935 494 $
s66: 23 602 716 $
s65: 36 553 250 $
That's 10 seasons of losing weekly/season club money and making a CLEAR profit of total: +248 713 002 $
That's where you make the money, on transfers. I was losing money on tickets/sponsors vs expenditures, yet I made almost 250m euro in 10 seasons. On training. Something that YOU could also do if you wanted to make the effort. You make more money from ticket/sponsors so you would have even more money on your account if you did that. All my "seasonal income" was optimistically at 20% of the training income that I had in those seasons.
But it's easier to create theories that big country teams get their money from tickets and sponsors :))
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If I may, current Estonian top tier is one of the strongest (competitive) since some time and it's purely people actually training young players gathering budget and having a long term plan. If I'm not mistaken after the 1st round 5-6 teams were above 70+ rating only 3-4 teams are playing under 70 this season.
I still agree on the topic or urge to merge small sokker nations or having one big league whatever suits the best.
What the Aussie guys try to explain here is that their 1st league is not equal to Polish 1 st tier regarding fan base + income from tickets + sponsors. They don't say that they can't train young players as everybody could do.
They try to explain that without training the game is inequal in different countries. 80+ or near by is possible to reach almost in every country. Now the question is how long do we have to wait for a new league structure, probably we will have more answers after the first testing season of International Cup.
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I still agree on the topic or urge to merge small sokker nations or having one big league whatever suits the best.
What the Aussie guys try to explain here is that their 1st league is not equal to Polish 1 st tier regarding fan base + income from tickets + sponsors. They don't say that they can't train young players as everybody could do.
They try to explain that without training the game is inequal in different countries. 80+ or near by is possible to reach almost in every country. Now the question is how long do we have to wait for a new league structure, probably we will have more answers after the first testing season of International Cup.
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Yes to merging sokker nations. This IC is very welcome. Is not enough, but It will increase our chance of grow strong teams in small nations. Currently, sponsors and tickets are very low.
In the past I was able to build a +74 team.
Since reform (deflation), I sold my high waged players due the impossibility to keep finances in green.
Now I'm buying again because I'd like to compete internationally. So, good idea IC (not in arcade), even I don't like mixed groups and playoffs system.
And better, I hope there will be a big International competition in league mode in the future, as soon as possible.
Good year 2026 to all.
In the past I was able to build a +74 team.
Since reform (deflation), I sold my high waged players due the impossibility to keep finances in green.
Now I'm buying again because I'd like to compete internationally. So, good idea IC (not in arcade), even I don't like mixed groups and playoffs system.
And better, I hope there will be a big International competition in league mode in the future, as soon as possible.
Good year 2026 to all.