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Subject: [DEV] International Cup
If I won the championship in my country, does that make any difference in terms of the IC?
The regular Champions League no longer exists?
If not, then what is the advantage of me winning the championship in my country?
The regular Champions League no longer exists?
If not, then what is the advantage of me winning the championship in my country?
Mi piace IC. Mi piace l'idea e come funziona ora. E non vedo l'ora di vedere come si evolverà.,
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Whatever you win, pretty much doesn't matter for this cup :))))
that is how I won the league and now I am about to enjoy 4 matches against a tier 2 Polish team :D
that is how I won the league and now I am about to enjoy 4 matches against a tier 2 Polish team :D
If not, then what is the advantage of me winning the championship in my country?
What an absurd question. Does the trophy and being national champion not mean anything to you? Is it not an achievement in itself?
What an absurd question. Does the trophy and being national champion not mean anything to you? Is it not an achievement in itself?
If not, then what is the advantage of me winning the championship in my country?
Obviously none!
Obviously none!
What an absurd answer.
Of course it is, what does this have to do with the question I asked?
Until this season, whoever won the championship/cup would participate in WC with extra income compared to the other teams, this season this advantage has been taken away from what I see.
SO , what is not legitimate in my question?
Of course it is, what does this have to do with the question I asked?
Until this season, whoever won the championship/cup would participate in WC with extra income compared to the other teams, this season this advantage has been taken away from what I see.
SO , what is not legitimate in my question?
One ist Raul! He won 3rd league one time! Someone would probably say it is like Serbian 1st... and YOU are actually disrespectful! ;))
For many seasons, there existed no Champions Cup in Sokker, so there was no "advantage" from winning the championship. The championship was the goal, and people pursued it ambitiously. You make it sound like being league champion is merely a stepping stone to something else. That's what I find absurd.
I get that some managers liked the CC and miss it. But people need to come to terms with the fact that the international tournament - which is now for ALL managers - has been separated from the national ones. If you indeed have international ambitions, you just need to focus on advancing in the IC. Easy as that.
I get that some managers liked the CC and miss it. But people need to come to terms with the fact that the international tournament - which is now for ALL managers - has been separated from the national ones. If you indeed have international ambitions, you just need to focus on advancing in the IC. Easy as that.
@borkos007
You insist on missing something. You're forgetting the 4th leagues and below, which make up the overwhelming majority of teams... (League numbers are 1 for 1st tier, 3 for 2nd tier, 9 for 3rd tier, 27 for 4th tier, and so on). The lion's share of the income in this game comes from ticket and sponsorship revenues. (By the way, let's not confuse gross income with profit). When you look at the total, not individual users, transfer income is dwarfed.
Those who are new to the game or playing in the 4th league and below can neither earn significant sponsorship income nor build stadiums (like yours, 40,000-100,000), so their income remains ridiculously low. You, sitting on massive stadiums, are overlooking this...
Let me give you an example from myself, last season;
Tickets 1 688 255 TL (1,055,159 euros)
Sponsors 1 007 611 TL (629,756 euros)
It's a pipe dream to establish a "sustainable" system with this income. At least, it's impossible to "imitate" real-life football clubs. You can never succeed without "capital" because the game offers almost nothing.
The essence of the matter is actually quite simple; to be competitive in the top leagues and to follow the matches (if you want to enjoy them) you partially sacrifice player development and therefore high profits. On the other end of the seesaw, you're developing players with high profits but sacrificing the match and excitement that should be the main element of the game... (Unless your account is 5-10 years old, which also allows for stadium construction and capital accumulation over that time).
Unless those running the game clearly break this dilemma and offer us a third way, we cannot escape this cycle. Neither can new members join and stay permanently, nor can old "addicts" maintain their positions at the top with the right transfer and tactical strategy, avoiding the planting-harvest cycle.
About IC
I've read many good suggestions and objections about IC in this thread. My point, again somewhat economically, is this; will IC, in its current state (especially given the increased number of matches and the fact that injury rates haven't changed), become a youth development area due to a significant portion of "top league" teams prioritizing the local league more?
If it doesn't generate any income beyond match revenue, I fear this is what will happen.
It's as if Premier League teams, earning more than all other leagues combined, will, upon qualifying for European competitions (unless it's called the Champions League), not take the Europa League and Conference League seriously (using reserve squads or heavily rotating teams if there's a relatively important weekend league match). If this becomes the case, I believe it's essential to reconsider the current IC system.
BTW, there's no point in fearing minimal inflation. Inflation is in a way, a different taxation system used by "rulers." Inflation in the market can be absorbed through innovations and the introduction of new expenditure items.
I believe the problem we are currently experiencing, beyond inflation and disinflation efforts, will lead to "stagflation," which is what I think we will face in the future.
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You insist on missing something. You're forgetting the 4th leagues and below, which make up the overwhelming majority of teams... (League numbers are 1 for 1st tier, 3 for 2nd tier, 9 for 3rd tier, 27 for 4th tier, and so on). The lion's share of the income in this game comes from ticket and sponsorship revenues. (By the way, let's not confuse gross income with profit). When you look at the total, not individual users, transfer income is dwarfed.
Those who are new to the game or playing in the 4th league and below can neither earn significant sponsorship income nor build stadiums (like yours, 40,000-100,000), so their income remains ridiculously low. You, sitting on massive stadiums, are overlooking this...
Let me give you an example from myself, last season;
Tickets 1 688 255 TL (1,055,159 euros)
Sponsors 1 007 611 TL (629,756 euros)
It's a pipe dream to establish a "sustainable" system with this income. At least, it's impossible to "imitate" real-life football clubs. You can never succeed without "capital" because the game offers almost nothing.
The essence of the matter is actually quite simple; to be competitive in the top leagues and to follow the matches (if you want to enjoy them) you partially sacrifice player development and therefore high profits. On the other end of the seesaw, you're developing players with high profits but sacrificing the match and excitement that should be the main element of the game... (Unless your account is 5-10 years old, which also allows for stadium construction and capital accumulation over that time).
Unless those running the game clearly break this dilemma and offer us a third way, we cannot escape this cycle. Neither can new members join and stay permanently, nor can old "addicts" maintain their positions at the top with the right transfer and tactical strategy, avoiding the planting-harvest cycle.
About IC
I've read many good suggestions and objections about IC in this thread. My point, again somewhat economically, is this; will IC, in its current state (especially given the increased number of matches and the fact that injury rates haven't changed), become a youth development area due to a significant portion of "top league" teams prioritizing the local league more?
If it doesn't generate any income beyond match revenue, I fear this is what will happen.
It's as if Premier League teams, earning more than all other leagues combined, will, upon qualifying for European competitions (unless it's called the Champions League), not take the Europa League and Conference League seriously (using reserve squads or heavily rotating teams if there's a relatively important weekend league match). If this becomes the case, I believe it's essential to reconsider the current IC system.
BTW, there's no point in fearing minimal inflation. Inflation is in a way, a different taxation system used by "rulers." Inflation in the market can be absorbed through innovations and the introduction of new expenditure items.
I believe the problem we are currently experiencing, beyond inflation and disinflation efforts, will lead to "stagflation," which is what I think we will face in the future.
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What an absurd question. Does the trophy and being national champion not mean anything to you? Is it not an achievement in itself?
No.I prefer to be at the position to that team who promoted at first division of my country and sponsors pay him more money than me with the doulbe this season.He has an advantage against me doesnt he?
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No.I prefer to be at the position to that team who promoted at first division of my country and sponsors pay him more money than me with the doulbe this season.He has an advantage against me doesnt he?
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So you prefer more money instead of trophies and glory? Well, to each his own I guess.
Yes i prefer more money.What a fuck if i made the double this season?What advantage do i have and the fans mood didnt improve?As a chamions and cup winner of Greece sponsors didnt pay me the prize i deserve.A Polish team from 3rd division of Poland take more money than me.I prefer to play there believe me
Finishing first in the league is shit.
You get a terrible game schedule, 2 away games at the beginning of the league, against the 5 best teams in the league, and only at the end of the season you get 2 home games when the mood of your fans is no longer as good as it was at the beginning of the season after the championship, in addition to the 5 most difficult games at the end of the season.
Finishing first in the league should give an advantage, not a disadvantage. So I would console myself with the fact that I am the only one playing in the WC and receiving extra income, now that it does not exist, finishing first is not such a hit, even though it is an achievement and honnor .
You get a terrible game schedule, 2 away games at the beginning of the league, against the 5 best teams in the league, and only at the end of the season you get 2 home games when the mood of your fans is no longer as good as it was at the beginning of the season after the championship, in addition to the 5 most difficult games at the end of the season.
Finishing first in the league should give an advantage, not a disadvantage. So I would console myself with the fact that I am the only one playing in the WC and receiving extra income, now that it does not exist, finishing first is not such a hit, even though it is an achievement and honnor .
It is indeed an achievement and an honor to finish first, and I'm glad to hear you think that too. But at the same time it has to be a challenge to remain at the top. If finishing first enabled you to easier open up a big gap to the ones behind you, it would be a bad game.
Have you ever heard promoted team take more money from sponsors than a team who made tha double adn the satisfaction and mood iof promoted team is better?Only at sokker can be happend that one