Subject: [DEV] International Cup

"so you see a downside in having many games at the start when they are not as hard / demanding, but you don't see a downside on having as many games in the end of season when the games are much harder and basically you'd like teams to have "all finals" in last 2-3 weeks one after another"

Yep that's exactly what I want.

"and you don't see a downside in moving a cup that can't really be moved by more than 2 weeks (which basically fixes nothing) because it takes 11 weeks total"

No I don't. Shrink your cup if it's an issue, the whole game is more important than Poland.

Yeah, the whole game is definitely more important than what you want and it definitely doesn't need to mess up the schedule and difficulty for top level teams just so you can have a more casual start of season

So we making game for too teams only?
We need equal set up for all so that been said merging all countries in 5 or 6 level structures so they all to have option to have many games in cup...

It's definitely more fair for everyone than what he is suggesting. What he is proposing would be cutting down cups for biggest countries (Poland 11 weeks, Italy 10 weeks, Romania 9 weeks cup) just so it can start later for him in England, after IC group. But that would mean deleting 75%-87.5% of smallest teams from their national cups in big nations.

Does that seem fair to you? Is being against that "making the game for top teams only"?

Personally if I were a team aiming for trophies I would MUCH prefer a short 4-5 round national cup, not one with 10-11 rounds, especially with IC. So in fact "cutting down" the cup would be making changes "for top teams".
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got the point agree

look at least in Italy one round could easily be eliminated, what's the point of playing the 1st round against a bot for the strongest teams?

and you can't just move the national cup as you wish, because it takes 11 weeks in Poland

Yes you can. I already gave sugestion to shorten national in Poland or in whatever country is needed. Use Poland top xxx ranked team to play national cup and others will play Poland regional cup (regions that every country has).
Also i again indicate that i had to play my first national cup round against strong team, while Mexico with same numbernof users is playing two rounds with bot teams. Much of these things are to be adressed.

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Poland main cup top ranked xxx teams
Reginal cups

Dolnośląskie
Kujawsko-Pomorskie
Lubelskie
Lubuskie
Mazowieckie
Małopolskie
Opolskie
Podkarpackie
Podlaskie
Pomorskie
Śląskie
Świętokrzyskie
Warmińsko-Mazurskie
Wielkopolskie
Zachodniopomorskie
Łódzkie

Regions are with number of users from 70 to 250, minus 10-20% procents of users that will be excluded and will play main national cup.
So its possible and i guess many will aprove.
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Yes you can. I already gave sugestion to shorten national in Poland or in whatever country is needed. Use Poland top xxx ranked team to play national cup and others will play Poland regional cup (regions that every country has).

I have no issue with that, sure (although even cutting down 75% of users from main cup will move the cup lenght from 11 to 9 weeks). But in general I'm sure this change would be very welcome in Poland both by big and small teams.

but that's very different from "just move the games in schedule, so easy & obvious"

you would have to create additional cups, do the math for each big country & preferably automate with x number of users creating main cup in every country and so on

that sounds like at least 1 year of work for them :))
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No need to cut down any cup if all cups end in the last week of the season but start in different week according to number of rounds. Yes, in Poland would be almost the same but it will make huge difference for small and medium countries.

In Bulgaria for example the cup needs to start in W8 to end in W13. Of course, for anyone who reaches the final rounds in both cups, it will be a tough stretch at the end of the season, but for the huge majority of teams the schedule will be much better balanced.

Its also a bit weird and unnatural to me for a cup to end in the first half of the season, as in real life all cups and leagues culminate at the end of the season.

256 teams is 8 weeks.
128 comes to 7, but i guess that would be drastic change.
Now you have big teams are playing B squad for first few rounds. This cjange would mean lets cut to the chase.
Small teams dont stick around long enough to even say something about cup.
Medium teams would then play regional cup and will have stronger chance to advance far without having to play against 40mil € squad.
And those teams around place 200-300 would have to take all games seriously, if they want to play main cup(so no 1vs1 tactics here in IC)...
Sure some cons could be there, i dont see them

easy solution no cup no problem

Easier solution is just try to avoid running them against each other. It doesn't make sense to have 4 official training games for the first half of the season and 2 for the second half, moreso when you factor in injuries. By switching to 3-3, you make friendlies optional, improve training across the whole season and reduce the injury risk.

Or y'know, do nothing because Poland doesn't like it and it's just too hard, damnit.

Cup is fun, I like it :p and its the easiest to throw away if you don't wanna participate - just lose one game and it's over - so no reason to delete it.

To many games. So no International cup please. Only for the 4 or 5 big clubs of each countrey in the first league. This is just a disaster in making now.

Nah, it is not.

If you dont like it, just give a walkover. There is no impact (yet) on your fan mood.

Okay. I dont like it. I let my youth play. And thats it.