Subject: Match Engine Change

Please, if possible, I would like a clarification (or some):

1) Positioning will be a "collective" or "individual" skill?

2) If collective, based on what?

3) If individual, will it be "trainable", subject to improvement?

Let's see how it works, but, in principle, I like all changes but this one. It concerns me:

As coaches, we are already limited in our options by the current players skills and "limited" events, and one of the best tools (the best tool, "the" tool) is the tactic. If it turns out now that your players may do whatever they feel like in spite of your indications, it will be very frustrating.

It's like saying: "you put your defense the way you like, the #4 will anyway be wherever he feels like, and the libero will play the off-side trap whenever he wants".

My belief is that new skills and new features should give coaches more options, instead of limiting them more. So, if iIf such "positioning" will be introduced, at least it should be under "control", namely:

If individual, it should depend on the form of the player (not new "skill", just a side effect of a good or bad form). Or something like this, but not a "new" skill...

If collective, it should depend on something that we can influence, and quickly (not throughout "seasons").
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- A new skill "positioning" will be introduced from next season. For testing all matches will be played with the lowest value of positioning for all players. More information about this skill will be provided later.
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I can read, dude, but since some people are already giving hints about it, I make the questions anyway (have you read that I wrote "if possible" in the first sentence of my post?). If you have nothing to contribute, writing is not mandatory.

Well that's the point, i thought You can't read :P

It's an individual skill and it will determine how exact your players will follow your tactical orders.
I don't think it will be a very big difference, players won't be straying out of position for more than a few meters I think. Take a look at some of the last international friendlies, this was already used then. Players were straying out of position just a little bit.

edit: I don't know if it will be trainable though.
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Sounds like it will take away from the random effectiveness of tactics to me??

I want my players to play out of the box!

I think... thats a new NOT GOOD thing!!!
(Position)
I dont see what its the propose of that.. but we will see in the future!

All other things are very welcome :)
Sokker Are the best...

Don't know. I only know what I saw in the international friendlies, it had positive and negative effects. A def playing a little bit further upfield than the tactic says could cause a striker to get behind the defense, but he could also take possession of the bal quicker, giving you the opportunity of a counter attack...

We'll have to wait and see I think.

Where will be played the first friendlies? I'm impatient :P

Thanks, Shadowman.

I understand that the idea is that positioning should not have an exaggerated effect. I already noticed in the NT friendlies this "disorder" with some players, and I did not like it (I thought that they will get rid of that option). But even though, it concerns me.

It's not always that "more skills = more options". Sometimes, it's quite the opposite. Just as an example:

If you introduce a separate skill for "heading", your magic scoring forward might become a bad header, but will still be a magic scoring forward. But, in addition, your so far barely substitute very good scoring forward becomes a "magic heading". So, now, instead of having just one option (either my star forward or my poor substitute), you have "options": now I can try to play "Dutch" football (with the ball on the floor) and use my magic scoring forward, or I can play "English" football (center, center, center, center :P) and use my magic header. Pros and cons, I have to make the choice.

But "positioning" seems to be a "mandatory" skill (unless you really don't care too much about your tactic). So, it turns out that you don't have "more options", "additional" options, but just less options (even considering that the positioning skill will have a limited effect).
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All good...also player "positioning"


i hope it could be a flexible skill (trainable) and not a default skill


all the new features give more realism to an already good game...

well done developers (maybe i would see before the effects on my team) :)
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A def playing a little bit further upfield than the tactic says could cause a striker to get behind the defense, but he could also take possession of the bal quicker

yes, and similar applies to strikers, so this negative effect you wrote doesn't necessarily means it's always negative, it could be positive effect because of the same reason opponent ATT will stay a bit higher then they should and viola - you have an offside trap :)
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But that's random. I hate random. I know that a certain level of random it's ok and necessary and realistic.

But this introduces more "random". I work on a tactic, my opponent works on a tactic, and then we play... And, as you say, it might be that "luckily" my defender diverts from my tactic but positively, and it might be that "luckily" his forward diverts from his positioning giving my players more chances to catch him... So, eventually, and "luckily", I win 3-0.

But I don't like to win like this, because next time, doing exactly the same, I might lose 0-3, "unluckily".

Random levels are already OK in SK, we don't need more random (in a form of "positioning").

It's not trainable (apparently).

Watch the Australia friendlies...

From Polish discussion - info from greg:

Dribbling GK by a striker will depend equally on his striker and playmaking skill
(instead of technique as was previously said)
Info post
Translation of greg:
So depending on playmaking and shooting equally (from the next test matches). Why not... it doesn't have big meaning. It was stupid that GK was always taking the ball from striker's feet if striker didn't decide to shoot nor to pass
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