Subject: »Bargain or Robbed

Mysi you do have quite a few valid points.

Always in the market there are 2 opposing forces which were just discussed here.

Hoewever, overall i do agree that pace is valued less than the other skills in the market. A very illustrative example is the following:

Players with significantly lower pace than the rest of the levels are much higher valued than if any other skill was lower. For example, for a striker, an excellent pace, incredi strike and tech is sold much much much more expensive than any other excellent / incredible / incredible combination.

The above holds true for Keepers, Defenders and Midfielders

I agree that of course, because that is true for some unknown reason. I've noticed the same thing as well, but it makes quite no-sense to me. Personally I don't understand why are the things like that, because my opinion was that what I just explained a couple of posts above. If we take an example of two 21yo guys with 34 points in striker skills, which is usually not even U21 level in stronger countries, and we'll set their skill distributions like this;

brilliant pace
excellent technique
excellent striker

And...

solid pace
incredible technique
incredible striker

Usually that 2nd guy would be way more expensive than the 1st guy. I can't understand why, as they still do have the same amount of skill points, and to get them look like the same it will take 6 pops for each other. That solid pace is still that low it will pop quite soon with good talent, but at least since formidable it will take at least those 4-5 weeks to get a pop, even with the greatest talent. Still the first guy doesn't need that much pace training for long time, so he would be trained just in technique and striker. It will take him about 3-4 weeks to get a pop for the first levels, if we think he has got the same talent as the second guy, and then like 5 weeks to get a pop since outstanding technique and striker. If we count it quickly, they would be equal like in +/- 2 weeks after 2 seasons of training, and then they would be valued the same. So...? o.O

I've actually never really trained pace with my team, so that might be the reason why I really don't get that. Could some pace trainer explain me what is this? :D

Why such a long post as the answer is mentioned allready some posts above...???
Of course the second guy is more expensive, dah!

Edit: the answer is even mentioned 3 times.
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Because pace-trainers are obviously looking for these kind of players who already have decent skills and have to be only trained in pace.

Well, I just like to write long posts when I really get into it. :) Probaly I should leave all the manager games and focus on a career of a writer. ;D

And I've read all the posts above, but I really didn't get it yet, just as I told in my last post.

Of course the second guy is more expensive, dah!

So why? They have the same skill points, they'll be equal and will have the same transfer market value in a couple of seasons, so why is that?

Could you or someone else make it clear? :)

EDIT: @ Fanakick; That's the answer, but I'm actually looking for... like... an answer for an answer. So, don't technique or striker trainers look for guys with two higher skill than the third? Yes, they do, just as the pace-trainers. So is the answer for this just that there are like 100 times more pace-trainers than other guys, so the price will go higher, or why is it? By using my brain I figured out just what I explained in my '' book '' a few posts above, but is there something wrong with my brain then? :D
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Allready mentioned:

With pace training you can train 22 players
With tech training 10 players
With striker training 6....

What do you not understand...?
If you can train 22 players to that level instead of 6 the choice is made, how can we be more clear.
Normal would be as the price is 22 : 6= 3.66x higher.
This is not the case, so i don't understand the price for the second guy isn't even higher than it is now ;)


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I didn't understand that why is the price just so much higher. Or is that the reason? Pace-trainees are more expensive just because of the reason you can train more of them at once? To buy all those 22 trainees, that would already be on reasonable level, it would take a lot more money than buying just those 6-10 trainees, and they'll be on the same level after a while, so the profits would be about the same. If you... Nevermind, I'll quit... -.-

That just makes no sense to me, too hard to understand. I'll never train pace so I wont ever be confused just by thinking these things. :D

You also forget the fact that managers who train 22 pace trainees have weak team. in other case they lose a lot of training points if they train players who are 23 or more (when training pace).I dont see the logic why players with same skill points and higher pace are cheaper also...

in a hipotetic perfect market, when the only point is the quality of the player

but you lose the point when think about you can train more players so you can train GK, DEF, MID, ATT all your A-squad so you will be more stronger in all the lines at the same time, nothing more to say if you can put different tactics with different number of orders (4 def, 4 mid, 2 att...)

yeah I'm a pace trainer and my team is weak. I don't know why do you say you lose training, a lot of training points if I (for example) have trained pace for arround last 5 seasons (or more).

Tactics mean nothing to the thing i said. with the money i spent on pace trainees i could buy old guys team which would win 20-0 against me.

I mean you lose a lot of training points(percents %) when you train pace for player who is 22 years old or more. The difference between training pace and others skills grows bigger and bigger in time. its definetaly not worth training pace for 24 year old player. totally useless for 25.

if im training defenders, or mids. i will train them in pace also. so people who are training pace, will be interested in buying all types of players, even keepers.
so you have a lot of people wanting to buy these types of players.
demand = higher price.
think of it that way.
i guess 25% of sokker community trains pace regularly

you're totally wrong, the time you expend in train other things go to residual training on pace, so you will get the same player train what you train first. The point is what are you going to train more, if defender or pace. I prefer to train more pace because it's more money to my bank

That is correct.i've noticed that players who need only pace are really worth more then they should be.Thats why that Mysi's theory about player value shouldn't be higher cause of the same sumskill and later being with the same skills is correct.it makes sense that managers look for more pace traineers than any other else.I think the number is even bigger than 25% and if 25% its still a lot because 6-10 trainees against 22 makes more than 50%.

I dont understand. its clearly said that pace talent is getting weaker not on linear graph.for example if you train pace and tech for 16 year old and you need 2 weeks to pop to tech and 3 to pace. then after one year ( at age 17) it wont be 2,2 and 3,3 (if it would be 10% - actually its about 15%) it would be 2,2 against 3,6 or so.
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