Subject: Youth stays same level in 30+ weeks

they miss all the fun :-)
I follow what I have learned in sokkerhelp.org: if the player has a potential to finish solid and up I keep him...after all the talent is not seen while in the transfer list ;-)
At some point I became curious for how long he will stay good.

This theory is nice but relay on basic line that say: talent can not be wasted i.e player can not get to divine.99 and yet have week or more in the youth team.

I just saw print screen of young guy (he is in TL right now, so i don't want to provide the link) , that poped every 3 weeks for 3 time in a row, so if this guy MUST have a talent of under 3.34 weeks.

could it be that players talent depand on the time they suppose to stay in the academy........i.e if player will stay more then 30 weeks then his talent will be between x to y, but if he suppose to stay there between 25 to 29 weeks, then his talent will be between z to y-0.01 and so on?

or can talent be wasted ?
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my guess is that it could be wasted..

Makes no sence that a player that's in the academy for 30+ weeks couldn't be as talented as players that were in the academy for less time..

Makes no sence that a player that's in the academy for 30+ weeks couldn't be as talented as players that were in the academy for less time..

I agree with this. The numbers I used weren't exact of course. They might be a little bit different because of the rounding off.

You are right that a player who pops after 3 weeks 3 times in a row, must have a talent under 3.34.
He could have a talent of 3.31, he then gets 1/3.31 = 0.302 training per week.
Let's assume he starts in a very high subskill, x.98. He then pops in the first week to a higher level and will then pop 3 times in a row in 3 weeks.

A player with that kind of talent in 34 weeks would get 34*0.302=10.272 training. To reach the maximum level he would have to start at 17.99-10.272=7.72.
Which could be very plausible, because then he would start as good and pop in the first week of training to solid.

So I think my theory is correct, but there's an extra factor to be added. Players can not come into the junior school at a higher level than 7.72 (or something around that, I might still be a little off, there might be more decimals involved).

One thing's for sure, according to this theory a player can not have a talent of 3.3. He would then get (1/3.3)*34 = 10.303 training in 34 weeks, which leads to the conclusion that he'd have to start at 17.99-10.303 = 7.687. And he would not be able to pop in his first week of training to solid then. But history has proven that it is possible for a good junior to pop in his first week to solid, therefore a talent of 3.3 isn't possible.

Another conclusion to be drawn here is that a junior starting with good and popping in the first week to solid, cannot pop in 3 weeks to very good. It would be very interesting if someone could provide us with evidence to prove me wrong here...

edit: a little more calculating shows me that a talent of 3.303 is possible.

edit2: another conclusion to be drawn here is that based on this theory it is impossible for a youth player to pop in 3 weeks 4 times in a row. Anyone with evidence to prove me wrong there?
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statistically you are right.
but check the talent screen of the devine junior
he is a 3,1x talent

I don't see a 3.1 talent there? I see a player who popped after 3 weeks 3 times in a row. Is there another screen to prove he popped to level 13 in 3 weeks as well? That would disprove my theory...

he did not make another screen, but told me that he never popped 2 times in a row 4 weeks.
worst case therefore is 4-3-3-4-3-3-3 and worstcase talent is smaller than 3,3.
I also saw two screens of a player over at transfer II that had a talent smaller than 3,3.
I think it was an unearthly pull, but I'm unsure

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I remember him beeing a youth pull from nederland, but I'm not sure who sold him. maybe mos, but I cannot really remember now
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oh and to the other question that someone asked.
for me it looks like that 5-6 week poppers are the norm with a magical youth coach.
youth popping faster are rather rare (one out of 25 here)

I had 5 out of 30 popping in 5 weeks or less with a formdiable coach before this week. I now have 3 out of 21.
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Talent smaller than 3.3 doesn't mean a lot to me. The question is, is there a youth player that popped in 3 weeks 4 times in a row. That's the only thing that would disprove my theory.

A player starting at x.99 with the best possible talent according to my theory (3.303 wks/pop) will pop in 1 week, than pop 3 times in 3 weeks. Then it's inevitable there will be a 4 week pop. According to my theory it will then be impossible for a player to pop 3 times in a row in 3 weeks again.

the theory is about right I would say and there has never been a report of a player popping 3 weeks 4 times in a row.
at least not here at sokker international

I think we agree it's impossible for a junior to pop in 3 weeks 4 times in a row.

But maybe a better question is: is there a youth player who has popped like this 3-3-3-4-3-3-3. According to my theory this would be impossible as well.

Pops from 7 to 10 level

Pops from 9 to 12 level


;)

I don't buy it... :?

How good is your youth coach? Unearthly?

i had 2 juniors popped 3-3-3-4-3-3 and 3-3-4-3-3-3 with incredible/magical coach, respectively.